Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

@D2 Ultima, @Mobius 1, @Mr. Fox, @tgipier, @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER and @ajc9988, thank you all very much for your comments and help. So, I used TSBench (uninstalled XTU before that, but I want to reinstall it for the nice graphs) and my 4710MQ hits the advertised 3.3 (actually something like 3.289) GHz under the load that TSBench puts on the CPU. Temperatures are in the high 80s, nothing near the 97-98 seen with P95.

Both my heat-plates for the CPU and GPU are copper (see page 295 or thereabouts for pics) although the CPU one has an aluminium shroud thingy, covered by black taping (as seen in the pictures).

I've asked a friend to send me appropriate quantities of all three thermal pastes - Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, Gelid GC Extreme and Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra, fit them all in one envelope and send it here. I'll try them in the order I have listed above, hopefully I don't need to do anything beyond CLU.

One more factor I think that might affect my temperatures is the crappy, 32-34° tropical weather. It doesn't help that nearly the whole goddamn island is built-up on, with two patches of green in the centre and at the northwest:



Have you guys got any other ideas, like soldering additional heat pipes, or purchasing a new heat sink and modifying it to fit onto this one?

 

Maybe see if you can obtain copper shims. Try shims at 0.1-0.2 mm if your heatsink is not perfect, or see if you find a new better heatsink. Then can liquid Ultra be an option. Big gap between the heatsink and die is no advantage if you want to use liquid metal.

 

You mentioned aluminium. Do not use CLU on any aluminum!!! If you use CLU after Kryonaut, scrub the heatsink well! It uses nano aluminum and that will interact with the gallium in the CLU... Making a custom heatsink is up to you. Just make sure it fits, has good contact, and you use decent quality heat pipes. Do not let a bend or dimple get into the pipe (talking a pinch, not the proper gentle bends)...

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Yeah, Aluminium around the copper. But he can cover around the copper plate with a good eletrical tape or use a varnish that withstand high heat. This can be done if the copper plate barely cover the die.
His heatsink below.

 

That aluminum shroud will be a problem. Though you could theoretically apply CLU without issue if you were careful enough, I would suggest you do NOT do it. If even a drop touches the shroud for more than half a second it could be dangerous to the structural integrity. I would unfortunately have to recommend avoiding Liquid Ultra for this purpose. If Conductonaut does not use gallium, then it could work... but I don't know what its composition is.

Sounds good. Store the GC Extreme well; I've heard from some that it appears to have a shelf life of sorts even closed, so maybe in a cool cupboard or something would be a good place. Out of the heat.

I've got the tropical weather too. It's been a fight since I got this second CPU; my original one wasn't nearly so hot. But with CLU and propping up the machine I've got things mostly down, though mid 80s in realistic load is not uncommon.

My only final suggestion to you, if you could afford it, would be to purchase another heatsink and lap it, or buy it pre-lapped from a company that will sell such things (Eurocom comes to mind). That may help a bit in conjunction with the better pastes.

 

Hm, 32-34°C; I do not envy you!

I'm sure you will get a temperature drop once one of the trinities is on your heatsink. CLU would be the best bet of course, but I would fill the gap between copper and aluminium with some heat resistent varnish.

 

Tin, Gallium & Indium

 

Thank you! =D

 

And Conductonaut is wetter in consistency than Clu... Equal bigger chance of getting a unwanted leak with use of a uneven heasink

 

Heya, used to live there. I feel your pain. Maybe you can contact Aftershock and they might be able to sort you out?

 

Hmm these seem to be the resistors used for measuring power load, what if (1200 bux going to trash) we bypass them with low resistance wire or use gallium/silver paint as done on desktops..

my single 1070 mxm is being power throttled and it is a great OCer, temp is around 60s (w/ oc 200+ core 500+ memory) which is great, and thus i believe it can be pushed just a little to be on par with boosted desktop 1070.

I fear of power imbalance although its obvious that load will be equal across (different resistance pathways = heat = damage?), hopefully low on the mxm power side but i could be missing something (my guess ~400 watt is the limit for power cable + mxm combined and thats far from max tdp)

Impatient for vbios mod , not to mention my laptop rebrand is not listed on prema's "partner team", donations don't work either, last hope is svl7 or do it myself like the 770m with risk tho i think hw mod is better and easier.

 

The desktop versions have short protection so you need to use liquid metal if you want to do it at all.

Plus those are caps not shunt resistors which are always bigger than that (plus the PCB marks them as caps )

If you want to try this (and it will totally void your warranty) it's the resistors to the left of the power connector.

Don't short the filtering caps

 

Yep. And this go round, these gpus are very touchy.....

 

Hi guys,

I'd like to ask about your expert opinions about a Win7 installation. After a clean install, my 3dmark11 gpu score is around 27.6k but in Win10 it is 30.2k, this is all at stock
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11566830/3dm11/11576149 . I'm running on stretched vs centered.

I know that Win7 scores lower, but more than 2.5k points gap at stock is too much. NVidia cp settings set to adaptive, high performance profile. What am I doing wrong?

Regards,
Mark

 

I don't think that is actually stock....
I'll run one in a few.

This is completely stock. Your cpu looks like it's running 4.2 ghz on all 4 cores and it should only be 4.0 ghz
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11594647

 

Here are some stock runs (straight out of the box, no tweaks) before I OC and Repaste and will some OC'd benches to compare.

I'm curious to know how high those with the Single 1080 are OC'ing the Core and Memory?

 

Mine can go as high as +200/+600..I have tried memory OC above +600 but I get diminishing returns. Also, the max boost clocks I have never go above 2.1-2.101Ghz...sometimes the benches crash-to-desktop instead of freezing or black screen even if the temps are manageable <70C.

 

My ram just does not want to play ball today but still managed to get these runs:

 

@iunlock , holy!!! How did you get your core clock that high? http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10227891

Try using 1.25V for ddr4-3000. I remember I had to offset the ram voltage a little just to keep it stable at 16-18-18-43.

 

Oh haha i guessed, i still didnt remove the HS, looked at the low resolution pic, took it as ~0 ohm resistors since they have large pads for power deliver.
i dont get the short protection part, what does it have to do with unlocking power limit? I thought these shunts vary in resistance as load happens which is used as sensing power.

Thanks for the reply!

 

I've tried multiple different frequencies, timings and voltages and if they do boot it's only after several power cycles and if they do it's not 100% stable.

 

You guys crack me up.

 

I've been in trial and error mode with many variations of clock/cache and voltage settings. I was a bit surprised as well. This looks to be a golden chip.

 

Or a glitz with 3Dmark

 

Whenever you find some time, still require more stock logs:

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...3-pascal-mxm-p-series-refresh/#comment-147848

 

Last run on stock paste...it's about to blow a gasket.



::iunlock::

 

How hot are the CPU and GPU getting? Please post links to support the screen shots whenever possible.

 

Sure thing. When on Max Fan (F1) the temps seem to be pretty stable, but what's happening are spikes that cause it to thermal throttle (likely due to the stock paste and/or improper (not enough) contact between the IHS/die and Heat Sink. I've seen this behavior before many times, which usually involves having a gap between the contacts to where it's cooking the pastes integrity away. It's just funky.

I'll be repasting likely today as I feel good about the amount of base data obtained so far.

 

Yeah, that's probably a good idea. No point in causing harm just to get stock thermal paste numbers to look at. You may need to do something with the thermal pads as well. They may be too thick and stiff. The softer stick/spongy pads that compress easily seem a lot more effective to me.

 

Hey, no fair! I was on stock paste for the longest time! Well...its hard to say if they put ic diamond on the gpu as well as the cpu though. lol

 

Indeed. It has become a habit to change out the thermal pads at the first disassembly. The sizes of the thermal pads are definitely different from what I can see. I'll try my best to get some accurate measurements and post them up.

 

Indeed, they are different sizes. Look for @Meaker@Sager post with the photos and sizes he used to redo his P870DM3. It was just a few days ago.

 

Here is is... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-395#post-10343186

 

Yup, I remember seeing that. I've taken some preliminary shots under the hood showing a visual of what's to come...

 

I see we only want to post when we can beat me. That is hilarious.

I post no matter what the score is because hwbot is about points totals. 1st/2nd/3rd, it doesn't matter. The more scores calculated the higher the team rank climbs.

 

I always bench better when there is someone good to bench against

 

Looks like you have no one in your team to play with tough...maybe it's time to join us:

http://hwbot.org/team/techiinferno/



They should have an option to be part of different teams for a users Notebook & Desktop scores...

 

Actually I have been giving that quite allot of thought lately on the serious side. No LOL.

And that's because Q56_Monster took a long break from benching as well.

Only problem is that would pull from the overall score.... I have something like 3400 team points.

Edit: My points would put TI in the top 100 rank.

 

Are you going to physically power mod yours John or wait for a bios edit?

 

Wait for bios edit. I have a card that does 2113 on stock bios. That says alot! And I don't really want to be shelling out 1300 bucks on an experiment gone wrong since there are no cards available.

We could technically flash a higher power target vbios from the the MSI or Asus Stix card, but that would change the id of the card and class it as a desktop card. (Provided it even works) They appear to be the same in size, but as to the location of that stuff...It's all over the place in the vbios....

@Meaker@Sager
As to your memory problem, you need to boot one stick at stock first. This may take a few boots. And it needs to be in top slot under the keyboard or the top slot under the bottom cover.
Once it boots, then set it to xmp1
Once that boots, then add the second chip. Opposite the location i mentioned earlier.
Once it finally boots, it will be fine from that point on.
Then go into the bios and change it to custom. And set your custom settings
I can run your clocks at 3k, so i'm guessing...So can you.

 

That or I got a poor IMC and it needs a bump. I'll give that order a go. I had XMP enabled and booting but just crashing out but maybe your order trains the link better.

Mine will do about 2050 at stock voltage, I've not tested my second card by itself yet.

Voltage control would be fun on top

 

I think I had issues until I placed them in the slots I mentioned. And the ram that came with mine will run 3k also. (2400mhz Goldkey)

Well...We do have voltage control now, but i'm sure you already knew this. That control only goes up to 1.0625V, but trying to force it with out the power limited changed or removed, just bounces all over the place.

 

I had actually managed to miss that part. Which program gives that option?

 

1: Afterburner
2: Move mouse over graph.
3:Ctrl+F
4: Pick the voltage you want to control
5: Set the clock you want for that voltage
6: Ctrl +L to lock the voltage. It should show in afterburn as being locked at what you set it. 150 is like 2050 to 2088. It will show as curve. Then just manually set memory.
Run bench...

 

Thanks for that, i'll have a play and see just how much my power limit has gone up.

 

That should keep temps down for gaming as well.

 

John, were you referring to yourself? There are two, "me's" in the same sentence so it was a bit confusing. The post is a little strange in general.

::iunlock::

 

@Papusan

This is for you

 

That was a great video

::iunlock::

 

Would be more than happy with just a single OC'd 6950X in a new Clevo replacement for the the old P570 (if it was possible), LOL
Would kill any kind of i7 BGA garbage from Intel in bench for a long time, HaHa
The next big from Intel for BGA machines is 6 cores i7 BGA with massive 45 Watt TDP http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/coffee-lake-intel-going-for-6-cores-processors-on-laptops.html
What a joke!!!