Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

But next i7 may need a new deild tools Razor blades are classic and work without a change, LOL

 

Looking for ward to it.

The reason why i bought up the ambient temperature is because there is no way the systems idle temp will be lower than the ambient, unless you are on water/LN2/PC.

 

Delid tool makers conspiring with Intel to artificially create a market for new tools every year

 

LOL, See the temperatures lower than Ambient... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lienware-laptops.593626/page-46#post-10208973

 

Lol yours don't count. You live in the bloody north pole or something. Haha.

 

Here you go mate.

These are at Stock Clocks.

Handbrake - H.254 (x264)

Max CPU:

• Core #0: 63C
  
• Core #1: 63C
  
• Core #2: 64C
  
• Core #3: 59C

 

Nice!

I'm leaning towards giving Conductonaut a shot as well.
Let's see how that goes.

 

You're really going to like this -200mv

Handbrake - H.254 (x264)

Stock Clocks @ -200mv

Max CPU:

• Core #0: 53C
  
• Core #1: 54C
  
• Core #2: 55C
  
• Core #3: 51C

 

Mine are lower than ambient temperatures at idle on max fans. That's what the radiators do. They are not below ambient under 100% load except when I am benching on AC. That's actually better and more effective than using water... lower temps with AC and you're cooling everything in the chassis with cold air, not only the things the water block is touching.

Conductonaut works as well as CLU, but I won't use it any more. Same is true of Phobya Liquid Metal. Those products are far too watery. They have almost no viscosity and I've seen twice now where Conductonaut and Phobya LM has moved from where I placed it. After 2 or 3 years (I've lost track of time) using it, I've never had that happen with CLU on any laptops because it is much thicker. I've been using CLU on the M18xR1, M18xR2, wife's XPS 15, P570WM, Sky X9, P870DM-G and P750ZM and I always find it exactly where I originally placed it.

That's the only reason why though. They all work extremely great, but I don't like finding a bead of metal juice on the heat sink a half inch away from the die. That makes me a little bit uneasy. Thank goodness all of my Clevos have the dies facing downward and the stray juice was still on the heat sink. On an Alienware (or any other system) with the CPU and GPU dies pointing upward (toward the keyboard) that might have gotten on something and caused a problem.

CLU FTW... expensive, but worth every penny.

 

The only way anything can be cooler than ambient is with active cooling (e.g. refrigeration) or if it's emitting blackbody radiation faster than heat transfer from the air. Or if you live somewhere the laws of physics don't apply, like Norway.

 

I look at GC and CLLU with equal weight. GC definitely has a lower viscosity than CLLU, but so far GC has done well for me.

 

GC? You mean TGC (not Gelid GC Extreme) right? I won't use the Gelid any more. It works really well at first, but does not hold up well to severe CPU overclocking. IC Diamond is a lot more durable for me. The Gelid suffers from pump out (too creamy) and I had it dry out and turn to powder on the 780M cards in my Alienwares after about 6 months of overclocked benching..

I have tested Conductonaut, Phobya Liquid Metal, Liquid Pro and Liquid Ultra and the results are almost identical. All do a superior job compared to ordinary pastes. I would recommend all of them except for the two times I found a run-away glob with Conductonaut and Phobya. I haven't seen it with Liquid Pro, but it's like water as well and I am assuming the same would hold true due to low viscosity. I just have greater peace of mind using CLU, but it is not more effective than the other liquid metal options from what I have seen. Pretty much a level playing fields with all the liquid metal stuff in terms of thermals.

 

His term of GC = Grizzly Conductonaut
Yeah, Liquid Ultra is a better produckt. Especially if you travel a lot or don't have a premium heatsink.

 

GC as in Grizzly Conductonaut....I suppose I should specify haha because Gelid did earn that title first...

Liquid Metal Magic ...can't really go wrong with any of them ... I would use either Grizzly Conductonaut or CLLU in any order any day. It sure is indeed a level playing field....

 

Wow....just wow....look at those temps...

OCCT - Running for 30 Minutes

Stock Clocks @ -225mv

Max CPU:

• Core #0: 57C
  
• Core #1: 56C
  
• Core #2: 57C
  
• Core #3: 53C

 

Those are really nice. Great job.

Now, it's time to stop playing Tiddlywinks and get serious. Let's see that bad boy at 4.8GHz. I bet the temps are still going to be OK. Let 'er rip! Time to tear off some heads and drop some poop down the headless BGA throats.

 

So far I got it to run at 4.7GHz and it's very stable. That's my current daily driver right now (4.7GHz)

I can run it at 4.8GHz, but am still tuning it at the moment. I've even had it at 4.9GHz, but it's a little shaky still. I could get in a run or two of some benches, but that's about it for now before it locks up.

I'll next be tweaking the GPU again. So far I'm able to OC +420/+115, but it's still a little choppy. Lower the memory helps and even gains performance at times while the clocks stay more consistent this way.

I'm going to game for a little to see how it does...I've actually haven't gamed at all as I've been just at it with turning etc....

Great stuff...

 

As you can see... All of the i7 BGA chips, unlocked or not are plain garbage compared!!
How is the max temp in Cinebench R11.5 with 4.7 GHz? Maybe you also now can see the unwanted i7 BGA JUNK is trash from Intel?

 

I will start an infight with my confusion...

My brother has a Lenovo G500. It's performance is garbage. I have to use for a few days...

So I was playing with it and then went to hwinfo64... it is RPGA... It costs less than 500$, has a i3-3rd gen CPU, and an AMD 8570M

The RPGA code is rPGA988B... But it's performance is way under a primitive 1st gen i5 or most other laptops I tries.

This means that it will be faster than another i3, but not faster than anything else, as in not faster than an older i5?

The point is: I still hate BGA because of the Optimus they're forcing on us and because having integrated the CPU and GPU in the motherboard makes up for a very exepnsive danger to the entire computer (Opposed to modular designs)

I seriously am all for modular designs, even if losing performance for modularity, but when I discovered that this lenovo is RPGA I was actually amazed that it was not faster...

 

I fixed this ↑↑↑ for you bro

 

Why would you assume that socketed automatically means high end?

 

How much does the F1 TURBO FAN MODE make a difference?

OCCT Test:

Delidded + Repasted w/ Grizzly Conductonaut on both CPU and GPU

Stock Clocks @ -225mv (Core & Cache)

F1 TURBO BOOSTERS vs STOCK FAN PROFILE

• Core #0: 57C vs Core #0: 68C -- 11C
• Core #1: 56C vs Core #1: 67C -- 11C
• Core #2: 57C vs Core #2: 67C -- 10C
• Core #3: 53C vs Core #3: 63C -- 10C

As you can see the Temp difference is on the dot to a "T".

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OCCT Test for 1 Hour at Stock Clocks UV to -225mv on Core and Cache + Stock Fan Profile




* I've purposely entered a lot of keywords for the "Search" functions sake for future seekers.

 

Right, there are even Clevo LGA models 'no-one' is talking about:

Spoiler

 

Yes the desktop cpu without dedicated gpu machine.

 

It uses the Skylake LGA incl. its iGPU and has a BGA dGPU as well...

Spoiler

 

Oh they did put a small one in. Not one that was judged as likely to do well over in the US.

 

Let's hope they will fix their act soon!

I'm not sure.

Throughout NBr there is such a strong hate towards BGA that I assumed that rPGA and LGA is automatically very good, at least better than their BGA counterparts.

Well, this holds true for most scenarios since LGA and PGA have much better cooling most of times...

 

What is that?

Seems a model that is actually pretty unknown...

 

It's not been formally released, yet. Here the predecessor:

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=933&lang=en

 

>GTX 950M

you gave me cancer

 

You're right!

We do forget that besides the most top ends we also have a lot of other products that need our full attention, especially as most buyers buy mid end or low end products opposed to the high end most specialists and enthusiasts are interested in.

Using an i3 lenovo rPGA for the past 3 days, I must say, besides being locked with windows (can't even disable windows defender on windows 8.1), the laptopy is pretty much okay for daily activities. It's bulky, ugly, noisy, slow and has hiccups. But it's sturdy, gets the job done, not a single BSOD nor restart (had this happen with my i7 + 860m), and it's well... usable.

Can''t get any graphical work done on it nor play any game as it is, and the 1366x768 screen is a sore to my eyes, especially with the bad colors and very poor image, but it's still usable for most part.

What I'm trying to say is that Clevo can also win in the mid end segment of the market, if they step up their game and more and more people would benefit from a different approach on laptops. (Still haven't touched a Clevo in my life, but I'm pretty enthused by their products)

 

I wish we could find the N350DV in the US at cheaper prices, seeing that post from Prema. The only place I've found it was via Eurocom for $1400 USD at its base config. It's niche, but it's a machine with a market. A decent few people who just want CPU grunt for work and don't care about a GPU would jump at them.

 

Man, that's low for Windows 10, you outta be easily using 12GB just browsing.

I only *have* 4GB in the Vista Ultimate computer I am running right now, and I am constantly clicking on the "cleanup RAM" button

Gotta swap in the 24GB 980x soon... need the VM's.

This waiting for a new computer shaszit's getting old.

 

You probably can't say, but if it's 17" and iGPU can drive a 3K LCD, has i7-6700k, 4 mem banks, 2+ 2.5" SATA bays, and 2+ m.2 2280s, then they have my attention. But then again, this sounds an awful lot like the Phoenix.

 

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER

That did the trick with the ram, cheers for the tip. Also running slots 1 + 4 seems to work well.



http://www.3dmark.com/spy/485063

 

That's what I found out after about 20 minutes trying to make it work side by side under keyboard and under bottom cover. Then I reverted back to old me.....Lets see what happens if I do this.

Glad it worked for you.

 

Just thought I say thanks for this piece of valuable information. It's stuff like this that makes the community so great. Well noted...

PS. This reminds me of the firing order on an engine haha...

 

We are supposed to add voltage to GPU and decrease the voltage on CPU when overclocking? I'm having a hard time understanding this and the reasons behind this.

 

Here's a firestrike score for the P870DM2 single gtx 1080
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10255905

3dmark11 P
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11601445

3dmark Vantage
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5515600

 

Pretty simple bro. Graphics can overclock up a few MHz with stock voltage. Serious overclock of graphics cards need higher voltage!! There is no easy way to reduce the voltage on the graphics card, such as you can do with processors (A vbios mod needed for this). Processors have usually some headrom for under voltage, even if you overclock the processor. But if you want proper overclock of the processor, you need to add higher voltage!! In exactly the same way as with graphics cards.

 

Its different on Pascal.....

Just leaving the voltage as it is for the most part its probably fine.

 

Thanks a lot for explaining things!

I want to Oc the good way when I get my hands on one of these babies!

So we can decrease on CPU, increase on GPU, all until it's stable, and for stability we test with benchmarks or actually playing / doing our activities but with a secured test run.

What is the absolute best tool to OC a Clevo?

XTU seemed the most configurable, but it also seems the worst in terms of stability.

Clevo center has only basic controls, are those enough? Clevo center also seems limited?

I know nothing about throttle stop so far..

 

I know, but this was a simple explanation about voltage vs OC on processor/gpu. There is a low temperature that determines the overclocking potential of Pascal. But earlier graphics cards needed higher voltage for a real OC. Maybe pascal can OC better if you can keep your graphics card very cool with higher voltage. But I have not seen enough of pascal to have a specific opinion on this.

Edit. @Georgel I prefer Trottlestop for overclocking of cpu(+ you can have 4 different Oc profiles you can use with a single key stroke). Put the basic settings in bios first and then tune futher with Trottlestop.

 

First small OC with unoptimized voltage settings. Can't wait for the DM3 Prema BIOS to really unleash this monster.

Spoiler

 

What are the load temps like at those clocks ?

 

Not sure, I'll do some more extensive testing later.

 

What are the best benchmarks?

I mean, which are the safest to run and the ones that will confirm if OC was safe?

something like 3DMark ? And if yes, which test from it tests best both CPU and GPU?

(I remember than FurMark can break a GPU, so let's focus on which benchmarks are both safe and do validate the OC)

 

Try looping unigine heaven or unigine valley.

 

3DMark 11 for CPU and GPU... it's a tougher test than most of the rest out there and won't pass without crashing with an unstable overclock on the CPU and/or GPU. If your AC adapter isn't cutting it, it will often reveal that shortcoming as well. For CPU only, my personal preference is Cinebench R11.5. Both of them are totally safe benchmarks.

For GPU only, Heaven is good. Heaven is also good for testing GPU thermals. It will heat things up without punishing the hardware too severely like Furmark does.

 

TSBench 8 threads caps out at around 74C at [email protected] with a raised laptop and max fans. Probably even a little lower since what I did was let it run up to 77C then hit Fn+1 and wait a minute for it to roughly stabilize.