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Eurocom has the Windows 7 drivers for out taptop: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/drivers(347)ec

 

Use your 950 512GB with a nice op as OS disk and sell the second 950. Ask for advices on biggest and best storage ssd's.
Im not like Tom. Use every single penny if you want the best bro

 

@johnksss, you the man brother. Your wealth of knowledge and giving nature is much respected.

Seeing the amount of positive energy going on here is very nice to see. It really sets an example of how it should always be.

Kudos to everyone.

Ps...wow those nvme speeds!





::iunlock::

 

Amen to that!

 

yeah just go to the OC forums and post such n00b questions like I do and see how hostile the people are there

The friendliness and willing to help on these forums is awesome and this is one of my favorite threads

If this thread hadn't existed, you would see the owner's lounge filled with OC settings and questions posts that would make it very confusing

 

Amen to that, too.

Those other forums are crawling alive with notebook haters. That is somewhat understandable with all of the pathetic BGA filthbooks that have poisoned the water, but they don't have to be such jerks. Some of them have very hateful attitudes toward other people for no good reason. I think some of them must be the retarded little potty-mouthed punks that troll online MP games. They need to get their mouths washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner after a good, hard spanking with daddy's belt.

 

Yeah, There is joy and gladness in socket machine threads!! See also the thread to MSI Barbones. Same joy and happiness there as well

 

Dude before this thread started, I was asking questions about overclocking my first 6700K that I had and what I should set the VR Current limits to in the BIOS and was explaining to them what the value I put meant (I had 8191) so I was telling them how that 8191 translates in the real world in XTU by dividing it by 8 and they looked at me like a complete idiot and noone offered to help even

 

please do not support other taptop brands other than Clevo

(PS: don't take what I say seriously always )

 

Calling Mr. Fox to Dubai virtually over TeamViewer if he's free .......toot toot.......

 

I will always give good advices You know probably what I mean

 

Mr. Fox is flying in virtual space to Dubai in the cafe where I'm at as we speak

 

I have used that and two other programs. The os boots, but you lose keyboard and mouse for some reason. I'm leaning toward the csm setting though.

I also have been running windows 7 since i got my machine, but at the time i wasn't sure if i was going to keep it so I never really ran the benching till later.

I have yet to look at benchmarks for nvme since people run ram disk.

As to the pricing. You could run a
http://www.microcenter.com/product/468436/600p_512GB_NVMe_M2_Internal_SSD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2R&cm_re=1tb_m.2_nvme-_-20-167-412R-_-Product

https://www.pcnation.com/web/detail...K2Bv9Jp6HNIsKZFenkHRCiLjBp-zjZcCkRBoCOyjw_wcB

But I do understand what you are getting at though. Me, I move files around way to much to be waiting. When that system isn't benching, it's doing quite a few other things. And speed is key for me in that respect.
Although, i'm starting to build up my gaming library so that may get re evaluated at some point in time.


Edit:
For those that have the extra cash.... 165hz
http://www.microcenter.com/product/458071/PG279Q_ROG_SWIFT_27_WQHD_IPS_G-SYNC_Gaming_Monitor

 

Yes, it could be CSM settings messing that up. I've not had that problem losing mouse and keyboard. Even the built in keyboard and touchpad stop working?

 

Yep. I'll retest it in a little while. Maybe we can understand why that happens.

 

I never tried using W7 with the stock Clevo BIOS with the CSM settings hidden. But, @Trafficante and @Swick1981 are running W7 on their DM3 machines.

Wow, the 512GB Intel NVMe is a really good price. I would actually consider it for $139.

I don't have access to MicroCenter and it is in-store only. I thought I read somewhere that Intel NVMe SSD were no good. Do you have one? If so, how is it?

 

It might probably because of the USB drivers. And if they have already been slipstreamed, then definitely CSM.

It hasn't happened to me after I slipstreamed the drivers in.

 

Actually, this looks like it could be better (faster) but it's half the capacity... bummer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820249077

 

LOL.
I was just sitting here debating on getting two of them to test.

Edit:
You already know if you want them to just hit me up, but wait to see if i grab 1 or two today to test though.

Edit:
Plextors run extremely hot and will down clock with out the heat shield.

 

Yes, and thank you. I will wait to see how they perform for you. If they are excellent I may have you grab one for me. I'm not in a huge hurry to spend money on NVMe, but will under the right set of circumstances if they are cheap enough and large enough. 256GB is smaller than I'd prefer to have for an OS drive. 512GB is plenty big for the OS.

Seems they are a new breed of "entry level" NVMe: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-600p-series-ssd-review,4738.html

 

Yes, that is exactly what they are, but they seem to cover the middle ground at a very decent buy in price.

That's because of the low read and write speeds for todays nvme drives. lol

 

OK, let me know if you grab one and whether it performs well. The price is exactly what I expect that all NVMe drives should cost (basically the same price as M.2 SATA SSD give or take $10 extra for no good reason other than NVMe is newer tech). I cannot argue with that price, and being ridiculously overpriced is my biggest complaint about NVMe to begin with.

Kind of a catch 22 with the low end NVMe if the price is the same as SATA SSD. The "entry level" NVMe is slower than others, but much faster read speeds than SATA. That still leaves the question of hassles, whether they require GPT and UEFI to even be visible to the BIOS, making W7 installation more complicated than it should be, all of which I don't exactly care for.

 

I am pretty sure your voltage is still way too low for 47x4 or 48x4. If you're using adaptive instead of static, you should be running a positive offset of at least 29 and around +75 for 48x4. At 4.7GHz or higher, you're better off running with static voltage. I think I was using 1.375V at 4.8 and about 1.425V at 4.9GHz. And, that's not going to be 100% stable unless you keep that bad boy really cool. You need to have max temps in the neighborhood of 65-70°C to never crash when benching at those higher clock speeds. Above 75°C you'll also see random glitches like YouTube videos causing a BSOD at 4.8 or 4.9GHz. Remember, the warmer the CPU gets the more voltage it takes. And, when I say warmer that doesn't actually mean hot. It needs to be very cool, or even cold, to be stable.

This is the beauty of ThrottleStop profiles. You can change on the fly to whatever fits your situation. If you're not in a place where you can keep it cool enough, a 3-finger salute drops the clocks to a speed that is OK for the higher temps.

 

You already know I will test that out.
That is like the first thing on the list!

 

Off the wall thought here... I wonder if the random corruption of the OS with NVMe using GPT and UEFI mode after a hard crash is because things happen in such a way that there is not enough time for data to be written to disk, so maybe the corruption is because of that playing out differently with NVMe. And, I wonder this because it happened to me CONSTANTLY with NVMe in the Sky X9, but never one single time has it happened to me (so far, hopefully won't jinx myself) with M.2 SATA SSD configured as MBR with Legacy BIOS mode in the P870DM that I sold or my P750ZM.

Edit: Brother John... It also just occurred to me that @Trafficante and @Swick1981 are not running NVMe SSD in their P870DM3. They are using M.2 SATA like me with W7. That could have something to do with the keyboard and touchpad not working during W7 setup. I am not sure why that could have anything to do with it, but it's certainly something to bear in mind. Might not be a coincidence.

 

mind you, such corruption only happens in RAID 0 mode, didn't happen to me when I was on a single drive setup mode

it's weird it's like it picks what to corrupt, it's always my Chrome and Firefox profile, even though they were not running, when I run them after the reboot, they have a fresh new clean profile

that and a lot of icons don't have their icons anymore even if I did the Rebuild_Icon_Cache.bat trick

Code:

:: Created by: Shawn Brink
:: http://www.sevenforums.com
:: Tutorial:  http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/13102-notification-area-icons-reset.html


@echo off
cls
set regPath=HKCU\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\TrayNotify
set regKey1=IconStreams
set regKey2=PastIconsStream
set choice=Bad-Response

echo The Explorer process must be killed to reset the Notification Area Icons Cache.
echo.
echo Please SAVE ALL OPEN WORK before continuing
echo.
pause

echo.
taskkill /IM explorer.exe /F
echo.
FOR /F "tokens=*" %%a in ('Reg Query "%regpath%" /v %regkey1% ^| find /i "%regkey1%"') do goto iconstreams
echo Registry key "IconStreams" already deleted.
echo.

:verify-PastIconsStream
FOR /F "tokens=*" %%a in ('Reg Query "%regpath%" /v %regkey2% ^| find /i "%regkey2%"') do goto PastIconsStream
echo Registry key "PastIconsStream" already deleted.
echo.
goto confirm-restart

:iconstreams
reg delete "%regpath%" /f /v "%regkey1%"
goto verify-PastIconsStream

:PastIconsStream
reg delete "%regpath%" /f /v "%regkey2%"

:confirm-restart
echo.
echo.
echo Windows must be restarted to finish resetting the Notification Area Icons.
echo.

:wrong
set /p choice=Restart now? (Y/N) and press Enter:
If %choice% == y goto Yes
If %choice% == Y goto Yes
If %choice% == n goto No
If %choice% == N goto No
set choice=Bad-Response
goto wrong

:Yes
shutdown /R /f /t 00
exit


:No
echo.
echo Restart aborted. Please remember to restart the computer later.
echo.
echo You can now close this command prompt window.
explorer.exe

 

I've never had corruption of the OS with NVMe ssd's in bench. Neither with raid. If corruption of the OS occurs it must be because of far too low voltage. I've Even tested with 5.0 GHz in Cinebench R11.5 and still gave no corruption of the OS. But a very nice fun score

 

UEFI setting is turned off, but flash drive is formatted for uefi booting
No access to CSM
Boot from usb flash drive for windows 7.
It gets to the windows setup screen where you make your first choice and boom. No keyboard or mouse. Internal or external.

Side note. My windows 7 is running on a regular ssd.

LOL

 

When I formatted the flash drive I did for UEFI+CSM. That way I just enabled CSM alongside UEFI and everything just worked after that.

 

Maybe as a joke, hop over there and ask how to OC a 6700HQ. I think it's better because it has extra letters at the end? rofl...

Cheers to benching and to this awesome thread...

ps..@johnksss, dang these different benches all like their own tweaked settings as we've discussed....just crazy. One little thing and a bench can all crumble...phew...people play video games for hours? We bench for hours.

 

Play Mirror's Edge Catalyst. More stressful to both CPU and GPU than any benchmark - except for Intel Burner. That is the only benchmark that is worse torture than playing Catalyst now.

And the game is amazing!

 

Try 3DMark 11 and 3DMark Vantage... I bet both of them load the CPU more than that. But, yes... I have heard that Catalyst is one of those games that uses a good CPU when you give it a good one to use. I wish more games were like that. It would be nice if weak BGA systems had to struggle with most games, then it would be less attractive for BGA gamer-boys to own one. Sadly, most games today run nicely even with an extremely weak CPU.

 

Should he be worried? Any higher? What has Dellienware done? Forgot to apply thermal paste? Almost none of the new AW15R3 have normal processor temperature. What with QC? Is this also forgotten?

 

If you are not running your two NVMe in RAID0 perhaps that is why you have experienced no problems. As @Phoenix said, this is an issue with NVMe in RAID0, not single NVMe. My preference has always been RAID0 for the OS. Until NVMe I never had any issues with RAID0. I mentioned a long time ago when testing the Sky X9 that I had to stop using RAID0 for the NVMe. It sucks to not be able to do whatever you want to do because of new crap technology.

 

I have earlier used NVMe in raid with high bench scores and no problems as well. I mean I have talked about this in one of the Clevo threads. I remember @Phoenix complained about the performance due Raid... But I refuted this.

 

That's the sad thing...in seeing these 6700HQ's and alike getting away with it all due to the games being not as CPU demanding as you've stated. Then you have these idiotic OEM's using the word, "Power/Powerful," in conjunction with the dreadfully "locked" CPU's...this oxymoron needs to stop. It goes further...then there's the sheep crowd that actually falls for it... This is Toys R Us business...

 

I've said this before... 6700Hq one of the worst low entry processors that has come from Intel. Low end i7-47xxMq even Hq had two turbo bins. 6700Hq is completely fully locked. TRASH!! And I know people jump on and buy it

 

Intel needs to fully disclose the acronym. HQ = Horrible Quality.

On a positive note, I'm curious how many of yall have your PSU connected to a kill-a-wat meter? I have too many things plugged into my Battery USP so I may hook up a kill-a-watt for the fun of it to get some readings to compare with what the monitors output. There's just something about raw data that is desirable over software lol...

 

Yes sir... well said! +rep

 

Using Rufus has 3 options and none of them say CSM
mbr - bios or uefi
mbr - uefi
gpt - uefi

Make sure to get a reading from the ups first, then try a kill-a-watt meter. The last 3 i had were something like 40 to 100W off.

@Mr. Fox
With nothing on it it is testing as expected.
Burst to the drive is 1.4GB
Burst from drive is 2.3GB

 

I think @bloodhawk was referring to the BIOS for CSM, not Rufus. I have never seen any options in Rufus except for what you are showing.

The first option is what you want to use for Rufus if you have the BIOS set to Legacy and not UEFI with MBR drives. That is what I use. As far as I know, NVMe does not support MBR so you would have to use the last option with UEFI. The CSM support is enabled in the BIOS, but I don't know if the stock BIOS you have shows all the menus. If it is like the P870DM-G stock BIOS none of that is visible and your configuration options are severely limited until @Prema fixes that firmware abortion from Clevo.

Wow, you got one already? You've been busy. That's actually not too bad for how cheap the price is. Thanks for testing it. I'll give the idea a bit more thought.

 

That was the option i used. 3rd one. And my other drives are GPT

Edit:
hummmmm, so i threw in a usb 3.0 drive and the csm option showed up....
@bloodhawk

 

Now, that's interesting. I must not see that because I don't use USB 3.0 flash drives for Windows installation. The flash drives I use for that are all USB 2.0. I'll have to check that out.

Edit: You may still find that NVMe does not support MBR. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember from trying it and not working, then reading and finding out NVMe only supports GPT. I hope I am wrong on that, because my preference would be MBR. That may have also changed since last year trying to do that with the SAMSUNG SM951 (MZVPV512HDGL) drives that came in the Sky X9.

 

Same here. I had been using a usb 2.0 drive since that's what i had the multi oses stored on. Then decided to use a brand new 3.0 high speed drive and that's what showed up.

Although it still didn't work. hahaha

Edit:
Going to test with the Asus since it has an unlocked bios.

 

Intel drives aren't something I'd give to people who push a lot of data or bench a lot. They're designed to shut down and enter read-only after a certain number of writes, regardless of the health of the cells. Older intel drives shut down at 700TB written, but the newer drives I believe run 72TB, or 72TB per 128GB of storage (according to Intel anyway). So a 256GB drive will either write 72TB, or if it feels the drive is good enough after 72TB, it'll write up to 144TB. But then it enters read only mode. Since even 840 Pro 256GB drives can write north of 1PB, I'd say the value for money is terrible, especially if you run RAMDisks, record to the drives/edit video on them (basically use em as a scratch disk), or do any other amount of constant data writing like benchmarking the drives/large amounts of file transfers/downloading & deleting data/etc.

Personally, I would not buy any intel drives. I'd look for Samsung or other 3D V-NAND drives from the get go, and I don't like OCZ either. I know some non-Samsung manufacturers are using 3D V-NAND now, and if they're cheaper I'd say go for it; but Intel's artificial killing and OCZ just having lots of failures on their RAM and SSDs make me avoid them even if 3D V-NAND. I'd say MLC for sensitive data/OS drives (which you should have your pagefile on, etc)/etc and TLC NAND 3D V-NAND drives for stuff like games or movies etc (that don't get nearly as many writes etc done to).

There's 120Hz panel notebooks being sold with the 6700HQ CPUs... these would be lovely to prove how weak those processors are, especially when tested with the weaksauce RAM that OEMs seem to believe is good enough. I know for a FACT that upgrading my RAM made me lose up to 20% CPU load in some titles per-core. Would be nice to check a 2133MHz 15-15-15-35 setup on a 6700HQ with some newer CPU heavy titles like Dying Light or Battlefield 1 etc, and lower graphics to the minimum and show that the CPU simply bottlenecks the FPS no matter what you do and 120Hz is largely a waste.

Oh how I want to do it myself. And then I'll see if I can swap out the RAM to something better (and let the system use it at that better speed) and see if the CPU load drops and how much better it lets the CPU push, but still show that the CPU is garbage for 120Hz in newer titles.

Is it normal to feel so excited thinking about the chance to blow this kind of stuff wide open? That silly Anandtech review of the P870DM3 not using max fans and saying it overheated made me rather edgy. I'm basically an edgelord right now. I make Reaper look as happy as Mei, if you play Overwatch.

 

I was an OCZ A++ member at the RMA department. LMAO. I had so many returns they just quit asking questions. Back when they first hit the market with their ssd drives.

 

I remember reading something along those same lines about Intel NVMe drives. I've never been impressed by Intel SSD. Some people swear by them, but I've never seen anything that compelled me to want one. They are too expensive and don't seem to perform as well as the competition. Back when SSD technology was a new thing, I think they were the best... then came competition and they moved to the back of the bus, across the aisle from OCZ.

I have mixed feelings about going with a "entry level" anything, even if it has Intel's name on it. Their "entry level" CPUs are garbage, so I probably shouldn't give anything else that is "entry level" the time of day. I generally view that as secret code for something that is inferior and undesirable. And, I not interested in paying "normal" NVMe highway robbery prices.

 

Remember to see my edit in my last post; didn't expect replies so fast or I'd have just made a new post!

See? Now I *KNOW* I'm not crazy with my thorough dislike of OCZ.

Yup! Ignore those Intel SSDs and move on. Go for broke or go home, amirite? Samsung is still the safest best bet.

 

Back when no one was using ssd's I was. Back then they were seriously over priced! I even started installing them in other locations thinking all was well....Then they started failing. Over and over and over. And they were not trying to swap me into a new line of drives. Luckily all my locations were running backups. So it was just more of an inconvenience till the stupid warranty ran out. Then they all got swapped for samsungs. All in all....36 drives at a minimum of 3 rma's each.

As to this intel nvme
http://ark.intel.com/products/94913/Intel-SSD-Pro-6000p-Series-512GB-M_2-80mm-PCIe-3_0-x4-3D1-TLC
vs
sandisk x400
https://www.sandisk.com/content/dam...nterprise/data-sheets/X400-datasheet-v1-1.pdf
Looks like they are worse at 160TBW vs Intel @ 288 TBW for a 512GB
Samsung is low for some reason. 150TBW
http://www.samsung.com/semiconducto...ads/document/Samsung_SSD_850_EVO_Brochure.pdf

Since that would be the reason for going with the intel in the first place. Worse than high end NVME drives, but better than sata 3.

 

You know, it could be that the SAMSUNG SM951 (MZVPV512HDGL) NVMe drives are just a garbage product and that particular model was at the forefront of new technology, which can be a bad thing sometimes. My less than impressive adventures with those NVMe drives in the Sky X9 may have skewed my perspective due to the nightmarish experience they provided. While I am generally forgiving of human shortcoming to a fault, as I grow older I find it increasingly difficult to forgive bad first impressions with products or services, especially when it requires that I open my wallet to roll the dice a second time.