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Will do!!

 

+rep

 

4.3/4.2 +100 GPU seems to be about the same with lower voltage and lower temps. Will probably stick here for BF1 and just find my voltage.

 

Maybe start to use HWiNFO64 v5.40

Spoiler: Hwinfo setup

 

Ok, I must be missing something. 1.05.04 has no throttling. The Prema EC is based off that version. We tried other versions and they did not work, remember? So it got reverted to 1.05.04PM.
This version is 1.05.08G and it has throttling removed. Also it's a different stock bios as well. How do I know you ask? Because I tested it with stock bios, stock bios over clocked and ran it on a prema bios stock and over clocked. They fixed the setting that was set wrong in the earlier ec's where running the cpu and gpu above a certain amperage cause the instant current throttling to kick in.
I loaded up another drive to test the brightness, but this did not fix that either... But it did alright for a first run and me just throwing some numbers at it.

 

Yes, it is a much better (more robust) product than HWMonitor. More comprehensive system monitoring and other information, and many more configuration options are available in HWiNFO64. (I am mot saying that HWMonitor is a bad product. It is very basic and limited in comparison, but it works fine.)

 

I haven't seen that 1.05.08G version before. Where did you get that? Did you just incorporate it into the Prema v.05c package?

If it fixes the power throttling issue (CPU+GPU throttling) and works great in all other ways that's really wonderful news for everyone.

Does it resolve the SMBus collisions and memory overclocking limitations?

 

Thanks I like that fast benchmark!!

 

I got that version from Sager for testing.
I just flashed that EC over the 1.05.04pm. I wanted to make sure it would hold up. You know how we get our hopes up only to find that it failed in the end. Well this one held up.

Hummm, i'll test that in a few.

The general public needs something while they wait on the Prema mod to finalize. And this gives them something in the mean time. And with us posting nice benchmarks and gaming scores tends to have others a bit unimpressed because they have to sit and wait till their machines can be some what semi functional. Sager seems to want to help in that respect.

 

Yeah, I agree with that 100%. Everyone deserves a machine that works right regardless of whether or not they qualify for @Prema mods. It would be wrong of Sager to not help fix that and I am super glad that they care. That's awesome.

 

Nice. I am currentely running 1.05.04. Sounds like they are still in the testing stages with 1.05.08G though or are they rolling it out already if I email them?

 

Looks encouraging with SMBus Support enabled. Send it over with instructions to replicate how you flashed to (for consistency) and I will test it with the new 3200MHz SPD values from G.SKILL (which did not allow me to boot two 16GB sticks at 3200, only one in single channel mode). I'll give you my SPD dump with the new hex code added if you want to test it. Would be awesome if that fixes the SMBus collisions and the DDR4-3200 stumbling block as well.

 

Very Nice

 

Mine runs with SMBus enabled with the G.Skill 3000MHz on XMP1... You can see the RAM temps in HWInfo64. I *do* have to run at a higher CPU adaptive voltage for TM5 to pass with SMBus enabled than without it enabled though. I didn't figure out the "exact" figure though, just increased it arbitrarily. It will fail with SMBus enabled and 45x4 @ -50mV (but run both wPrime tests just fine). If I bump to -0mV adaptive it'll pass TM5 with SMBus enabled. I had another post some pages back trying to detail this.... Not exactly sure what the link is there, but it definitely makes a difference to what the CPU adaptive voltage is and whether or not TM5 will pass with SMBus enabled, at least on my machine

 

Here is the link to where the EC is.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-732#post-10407586

Edit:
Right now, stress testing to see if the fans take off like jet engines or the infamous ramping fans while sitting at the desktop or on a web page. No CCC loaded. Only Real XTU and Throttlestop.

Edit:
Failed Firestrike Ultra stress test at 92C. but fans did not rampup.

 

Thanks! I missed that one.

I just sent you the link to the updated G.Skill F4-3200C16-16GRS.thp file by PM.

 

My fans hardly even work without CCC/Hotkey installed. I still do not have CCC installed, so when I do anything stressful on the CPU/GPU(s) I hit FN+1. For most things I never even need the fans to come on. It runs cool enough sitting on my U3 without the internal fans running even for most games, but definitely not for benchmarks.

 

Running the built in stress test that loops test 1 20 times.
It just failed that test also with temps at 79 CPU/74 GPU. Max Fans . When I say failed it means the fps were not stable. It did make it through the 20 loops though.

 

Well, good new and bad news. Mostly good.

Bad news first... No dice on booting 2 sticks at 3200. It boots easily and without issue at XMP 3200 with 1 stick and not at all with 2 sticks. I spent some time tweaking manual settings to try to force it into submission and had no luck. I hope @Prema can identify something from the memory tables in the BIOS for the Tornado F5 and see if he can fix it. That little critter runs 64GB (4*16GB) at 3200, so there is no reason I can think of that this one should not be able to. They both have AMI/Aptio BIOS so maybe he can find a way to make it happen for himself, other P870DM2/3 owners as well as the lesser Clevos.



As to the EC throttling, yes a little bit of throttling in Fire Strike Tests 1 and 2. And, I do mean only a little, and only briefly. I have only completed one run, so it's possible additional runs may not show anything. I have none at all with the Prema mod, but this bottomed out to 4.0GHz (from 4.8GHz) for only a second or two a total of 4 times. It was so brief that it may have little or no effect on benchmark scores or gaming FPS dips. So, this is a HUGE improvement over what everyone with stock BIOS with newer than EC v.04 has been faced with. I think may go back to the throttle-free Prema version, but I will do a little more testing first, like wPrime and Cinebench and 3DMark 11 to see if that changed for better or worse.

Bottom line is, I would encourage everyone with a P870DM2/3 that is frustrated with the CPU down-clocking with GPU load that they are seeing with their stock BIOS to flash this new EC right now and get the relief they deserve.

 

Yes, definitely a major improvement that everyone with a stock Clevo BIOS with CPU clock-drop should be very excited about. Still seeing minor dips, but more in 3DMark 11 (expected) than Fire Strike. Using ThrottleStop almost eliminates it. I can still see it in OSD, but the dips are so brief using ThrottleStop that the CPU frequency line graph from Fire Strike did not even pick up on the dips. But, it is enough of a dip to show in the Physics scores, as using ThrottleStop does bring a small increase in Physics scores by minimizing the frequency and duration.

So, go get it... say thanks and give rep to Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER for passing it along. Good reason to be happy here.

Tests below are 4.8GHz on CPU and 1080 SLI stock, only using FN+1 for cooling.

 

After retesting it's still not better than factory 1.05.04

 

As we know, newer is OFTEN not better, especially with drivers and firmware, and operating systems.

But, this is still a huge blessing to those cursed with the CPU+GPU throttling nonsense. Everyone that needs this fix should be very grateful for your contact with Sager that made this possible for them.

 

We shall see. Hopefully they all have better results, but haven't heard anyone testing it out yet.

 

I have that BIOS/EC. It fixes NOTHING about throttling as it claims to do. It is no better than the previous EC 1.05.04

Also, I got mine from HIDevolution, no Sager branding, the classical StyleNote logo

I am not allowed to share it though unfortunately

 

Is there a way to back up the current EC version before trying to flash this version?

 

Our Product Management Team communicated to both R&D and FAE about issues related to DDR4 3200 and 3000 and offered them samples for testing. We already implemented 3200 support in our 15.6" model Tornado F5 and it works perfectly even with 4x 16GB. Mr Fox will test soon our 15.6" killer Tornado F5 GTX 1080 7700K 2x 960Pro M.2 RAID and 4x DDR4 3200 and share his results with all of you.

 

Mr. Fox sent me custom RAM settings to stabilize the 3000 MHz. RAM on XMP Profile 1 and I've been using these settings for 4 days with 0 issues

 

Here are the settings to be able to run the 3000 MHz. RAM from G.Skill on XMP Profile 1 on the P870DM3 laptop which were simply unusable using the stock XMP 1 Profile before:

Mr. Fox's 3000 MHz RAM Settings for stock BIOS




Mr. Fox's 3000 MHz RAM Settings for Prema BIOS

 

The easiest way would be to ask your reseller for the original EC file.

 

I can change that for you

Or @Prema can

 

Latest Prema BIOS is not stable on *my* system. It causes the system to randomly lose full power and reboot. That happens if I overclock or run on stock settings. I've already reported it to him. This is why I'm running on the stock BIOS for now until this is fixed.

 

Gotcha. I meant i can change the logo for you if you want

 

Yes this is short term solution but we need to address this longterm as part of standard BIOS spec.

 

Well, let me see if that is accurate. Maybe the Prema BIOS with the new EC is skewing the results. I will flash the stock Clevo ThrottleMaster cancer BIOS that Brother @Prema provided when the mod testing started. I will run tests, then flash the new v.08g EC and see if I spoke to soon. That would be sad if the v.08g EC turns out to be a joke. I hope not.

Edit: I guess I had better go ahead and install the CCC/Hotkey Bloat-o-Rama software as well to make this a legit examination, since most folks have that installed. Anyhow, here goes...

 

That's what i did. I went all the way back to stock, but did not install the CCC. Then tried different bios versions. Still testing now. And even with the occasional dip, the gpu load is still 97 to 99 percent. And the benchmark scores are still in the top ten. So i'm guessing that has to be some type of improvement over a non working system.

Then of course there is user error.

 

This is where the new ec compares with the .05 06 08
This is 08G on a stock bios.
And even with those of us running the Prema bios. So i'm going to say it's NOT that bad.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11...s/9794614/fs/10928300/fs/11111774/fs/10227780

 

rofl cancer bios

 

It has been that long since I got the chance to properly do some benching :s ouch, that needs fixing. Nice scores though

 

I am about to put the smack down on myths, bro. Look at the next post. EC 1.05.04 is the best. The newest version @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER got from Sager is almost as good and a MASSIVE improvement over what is widely in circulation (not EC 1.05.04).

This is going to be awesome. I am eager to find out and share what that little monsterbook is made of.

Yes, this is definitely the best approach. At least talk to them and ask for help before getting into the boat without a paddle. If they won't help, then taking the bull by the horns and taking care of business without their assistance is appropriate. If they are unwilling to help, then that will be a clue where it would be a great idea to never, ever, spend any more of your money again.

I wish we could understand why that is the case. We need to be able to understand why there is a difference. Other than the memory thing, and my desire for static lid lighting and a default white keyboard, (like a previous test version had,) the current @Prema BIOS is absolutely wonderful for me.

Absolutely! Having everything just work well for people that do not have the skill or desire to resort to fiddling with unique settings is really important from an OEM perspective, and we appreciate the support you guys are providing (Eurocom, Prostar, Sager and various resellers) as a liaison with Clevo. You guys are key to making things happen for your customers and Clevo listens more to what you folks have to say than they do us lowly end-users.

 

What could be causing this?....

Just did a fresh windows install, installed all drivers from Clevo... no idea how I could mess things up in here

 

It could be that the power limits under the CPU settings are too low. It used to happen on the P870 that after a BIOS/RESET/FLASH, once you boot into windows, the power limits get set super low. We need to go back in to the BIOS and set them back up to the normal values.

 

That is not a problem/issue.

 

OK guys... watch your gag reflex. The fat lady is about to sing.

So, here is what I did:

• Flashed the stock firmware we received from Prema for the test group. BIOS v1.05.03 and KBC/EC v1.05.06
• Set a 4.5GHz CPU overclock in the BIOS with stock voltage (so 99% of the population can replicate it)
• Installed Clevo Control Center (Hotkey) to mimick what the general population of P870DM3 owners are doing
• Ran Cinebench R11.5, Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 and captured the results
• Flashed the new EC v08g Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER got from Sager
• Ran Cinebench R11.5, Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 and captured the results

You can find screen shots in the spoilers below if you don't want to take my word for it.

Spoiler: BIOS Photos

Tested this stock BIOS+EC first and it throttles like there is no tomorrow...

Flashed this and you can see what a massive improvement it is...

Used these overclock settings...

...and changed NOTHING on voltage or memory

SUMMARY
There is the problem in a nutshell. If your machine has a goofed up EC version you are going to see really horrible clock-drops (throttling down to a 3.0-3.5GHz range) of the CPU core and ring ratio when the GPUs are loaded. If the GPUs are not loaded, you're not going to see much of a problem. If you have SLI, the problem is magnified and more severe. This will cause a decline in the gaming experience as well as a hit on benchmark scores because your CPU is not running anywhere near the clock speed it should be running. If you have seen it, it sucks and makes you angry that you spent big bucks on a crippled product.

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And, here are the results...

[LINK] Download Excel Sheet

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CONCLUSION
Testing the CPU all by itself, the impact of having one of the borked EC versions is negligible. As you can see from the results, the CPU and GPU(s) must work together to achieve the best possible outcome. If anything is out of place or imbalanced, it's going to impact performance.

Look at the graphs in the screen shots below and the spastic CPU clock-drops are as obvious as the nose on your face. But, take heart. This is fixable, and it needs to be fixed. EC v1.05.04 is the best. Anything after that, up to the latest v1.05.08g makes your machine run like crap. v.08g is a massive improvement. If you're not doing crazy overclocked competitive benching, v.08g is going to be a godsend. Or, if you care about results more than firmware revision numbers (there is no value in newer firmware at the end of the day if older works best) then go with EC v1.05.04. If you stick with your current borked EC, please don't complain about poor performance. That will be your bad for doing nothing and living with the problems Clevo gave you.

Spoiler: Screen Shots for Doubting Thomas

Screwed up "throttlemaster" cancer EC you got stock from Clevo

Screwed up "throttlemaster" cancer EC you got stock from Clevo

New and improved EC v.08g (not as good as old EC v.04 in Prema Mod, but HUGE improvement)

New and improved EC v.08g (not as good as old EC v.04 in Prema Mod, but HUGE improvement)

 

Okay...

At least that is not a problem, because my current windows install is not stable at all

New Clevo Control Centers are really broken. Be wary of this.

EDIT::: @Mr. Fox - The GPU throttles to 1556 on P775 during normal usage, don't know if this is normal.

 

Clevo needs to get their $hit together.

Uninstalled the Clevo Center thingy, now everything runs smooth, no problems, there is also a boost in performance.

The latest Clevo Center thingy on Clevo site (and I think also Eurocom site) is broken af, major throttle, the computer randomly goes to sleep, throttle on GPU and CPU.

 

Everything was maxed out. 300000

 

Thanks for the in-depth scientific analysis. It really helps decrease the uncertainty surrounding the whole situation.


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As soon as you get locked out at 4.1 or 4.0 ghz, the uncertainty will be right back. And it will have nothing to do with the EC.

 

Well, now you see why I don't install it. The moment you do it is going to throw things off and force you to strart over on some things. In particular the Windows Power Profile settings get messed with and the silly balanced (as Clevo prefers to call it "Entertainment" LoL) power profile is going to frequently be applied by default and without your consent. In fact, that is probably what it did that caused your low GPU clocks. After closing CCC make it a habit to always reapply the windows "High performance" profile from the system tray icon.

This one idiotic thing alone is reason enough to hate it. I would be happy if it did the opposite, but I am confident someone would complain that their preference is "Balanced" and this would make them be dissatisfied with "High performance" being applied every time they open CCC. For it to work right CCC should have no default values for anything.