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The moon rider?

 

dirty SD picker spotted

 

Filthy MK picker ATM.

 

There are different specs for different chips. I gave the earlier example because i did such a thing on a few chips to see what would happen. The first few times it was by accident. Water pump shut off. And was off for at least 6 hours. And the machine was still running.

Although I do not remember ever seeing it in writing though.

It's not if you can catch me. This was to show you that you were limiting yourself and not the EC doing it for you. This seems to happen more so than not. Does it have issues. Sure. I ran 1 test in SLI and i can see that. With in the first 2 to 4 seconds. That's why I posted the 1.05.08G.

And don't worry, your doing fine!

Also, at the end of the day it's not the score that matters. It's the FPS. And 1 to 2 FPS difference is pretty much the same performance. The score is just to decide who the winner is.

No problem.

 

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER I am going to install the new bios within the next few days but I want to run some tests that show the difference in throttling issues between the two bios. When you all talk about issues with throttling how exactly are you monitoring this? What tests should I run and what should I be looking for exactly?

 

Note on CCC adventures. If you install CCC once, it's never fully erased unless reinstalling windows.

Not using CCC at all results in ~800 CB scores

Insttalling CCC .71 version results in ~900 CB scroes.

Seems that Eurocom has the best working version of CCC on their site, which is .71. Any more recent version is really broken.

 

I think you may be right about CCC/Hotkey causing irreversible damage to the OS. In fact, I told @Phoenix the same thing in a message last night. Hell, this piece of crap might even inject something nasty into firmware for all we know.

I am kicking myself in the privates now after installing the CCC/Hotkey cancerware for demonstrating the EC thing the other day. Now I cannot overclock to 4.9GHz stable any more. That problem started the moment that piece of feces was installed and removing it fixed nothing. Uninstalling it with Revo Uninstaller Pro and running CCleaner did not help. Anything over 4.8GHz now freezes or gets a BSOD using settings that were 100% stable before it was installed. I am going to try restoring my drive image first. Hopefully, that will work. Re-flashing the @Prema BIOS mod also did not help. Not sure what this virus does, but it is definitely not very good.

Never again, that's for damned sure. Once I get this sorted I am deleting CCC from my stored drivers. If @Prema BIOS does not give us a white keyboard backlight, then I will just disconnect the ribbon cable and have no backlight. (I hate the default blue keys too much for words. It's too obnoxious.)

 

Any idea of the keyboard is controlled through the EC or if it has a separate firmware ?

 

EC, unfortunately. One of the @Prema beta mods has a tweaked EC with white keyboard and static lid lighting and it is to die for.

 

Better grab this deal while you can. I just did. 50% off is going hard to beat for a while yet on this new title. https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare/

 

I do not have a backed up version without CCC on it. Would have to reinstall windows 10 and spend a few days installing work programs, setting up multiple FTP sites, server, etc. Not sure if that is worth it to get the broken program off my computer.

 

For me it is definitely worth it. But, if you are not trying to get crazy good overclocked benchmark score, maybe not.

But, my 3000MHz RAM is also less stable with CCC installed.

 

Its a bummer hopefully they are working on a new version.

 

Yeah... Dota2 just crashed out of nowhere. Lost the match because of this CCC garbage.
Totally purging it out of my system right now.

I've no idea how it can break a system so badly, it's a mystery on what id does, why or how. But I also need a lot of time to reinstall my windows, makes me cry thinking about all the software I need to install to make it work.

@Prema - Any chance you can disable the lights on KBD entirely for P775? It's just impossible to use the laptop like this, and I've no chance to use it with the CCC.

Seems it injects something in the OS, but not in the FW or Bios, from what I can tell you need to fully wipe the HDD / SSD that the OS is on to get it off for good. Seems that it changes many power related settings, power delivery and many other things at the low level of the OS, those are very hard to fix without prior knowledge.

.71 is not fully stable, but it's considerably more stable than that piece of garbage .73. .50 iis also not fully stable.

Gotta say this, the strangest freaking crash happened to me. So I was playing dotta2, and a ton of things open in Chrome. It crashed. But it didn't crash Dota or laptop. It just froze dota 2 screen, froze all other screens, but the laptop kept going on and on, mouse was moving, some things played in the background, but couldn't flush dota2 frozen screen out. Also, dota2 music kept playing.

I couldn't break something this bad even if I tried to, with all my knowledge. It's just unimaginable how they get those results and why in the first place. The purpose of this laptop should be pretty sample - full power at all times, not anything else.

 

BF1 every once in a while when I'm logging out will get stuck at the loading screen to exit. No clue if this is related to the game, CCC or something else on my computer but happens even at stock settings.

 

I think it's just bad programming from the BF1 crew... I have several friends that also play and they get issues from time to time quitting as well with various different hardware setups

 

My company does plan on giving me a cheaper laptop for work so once I get it at that point I will probably do a fresh install of windows myself and start over without CCC. I would like to get windows over to my NVME drive was well as it is on my Sandisk X400 drive now. Will be a lot easier and less painful without having to set up all my work software.

 

Did you disable the built in XTU when installing CCC? If you didn't, that may be the cause of your issues?

If you did install it with the XTU crap, then only an NVRAM reset followed by an immediate format would fix the damage it caused.

How to install CCC without XTU

Edit the OEM.INI file in the Clevo Control Center's directory before you install it:

Change SupportXTUFanTable=1 to SupportXTUFanTable=0

 

I have said this many times over several threads and posts... Don't install this Crapware!! Regardless of versions you "think" work. This Bloat doesn't do you any good. Can this lightning be disconnected with ribbon cables for screen lights also with a easy fix? With scissors? We should have the option to disable all lights in bios... Mandatory. And who wants flashing lights when you use your machine in work? Aka go out to new customers and show green, pink or blue lights on your work station looks more like a bubble gum kids feature. Blinking or static lights doesn't matter. Unprofessional. Kill this ****y lights. Yesterday!!

 

What exactly is lost when not installing CCC? I know you lose the shortcuts to many functions but what absolutely does not work without CCC? Just the keyboard backlight controls?

I really like having one control center to change many of my most used features but I can live without most of them I suppose. My biggest gripe was no way to turn on the max fans without CCC, since I use an external keyboard with the laptop out of reach so I couldn't use FN+1.

 

You don't get the "overclock" fan profile... It's more aggressive at ramping up the fans when gaming/etc, because automatic mode from what I've read is too relaxed and temps climb quickly. So without it you have Fn-1 "max fans", or "automatic mode" fans.

EDIT: All that being said (I think) mine was pre-installed by HIDevolution, and at the time I didn't know to ask them to not install it...

EDIT2: According to many if you don't install it then you won't get the CCC cancer/virus issues it brings

 

Problem is it comes installed. On my computer it was.

 

Always start with a new clean Os install. Always Fresh drivers is also a good start.

 

That will be my next step, once I get this work laptop.
Edit: any drivers not to install other than CCC that are causing issues?

 

@Mr. Fox, just checking on this... Before the 'SupportXTUFanTable=0' fix, I swear it was common procedure that once XTU (or CCC with the XTU dependency) was installed, the only way around it is a complete format and re-installation of Windows. Am I mis-remembering?

 

No total freezes yet, reinstalled windows entirely.

Let's see now.

@Phoenix

Seens that lately it's not necessary to flush BIOS anymore, it cleans off with OS install.

I'll test in deep and return with answers.

 

Does flashing the EC clear NVRAM or is that only the case when flashing the BIOS?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

 

I've no idea how much of the Bios and vBIOS is cleared when just installing a new OS, but all of the problems seem gone now

Not installed CCC at all, doesn't seem like there are any problems anymore. Profile is on Auto without it, so you need to activate either this or max fans, performance in CB is 875 vs 900 in the past install, so negligible difference for me, everything seems to be working well.

I got a videoo driver disconnect, a freeze of sorts and a lot of lag and stutter in first 2 restarts after windows install but now it seems it stabilized itself somehow. (probably until it installed all components)

I'll continue testing and report with news / observations.

So folks, CCC is garbage and unsafe, and it seems now it gets flushed with OS reinstall or at least for me it got. So far.

 

You shouldn't have lower Cinbench R15 score without CCC. Tested likewise with the fans on max (Fn+1)? You run same clock speed?

 

Yes, Fn+f1 both tests, 4.1GHz on CPU.

Score with windows loaded, nothing running in background. No idea why...

 

I expect 4.1GHz on all 4 cores.
Could you please run CB R11.5? Default 6700K = 9.70-9.77 pts

 

I just ran Cinebench R15 on mine... 899cb with 41x4 on CPU, 41x cache. And you can see the CCC cancer down in the system tray, ran with "overclocck" fan profile.

Spoiler

Edit... And yea, @Georgel @Papusan for additional reference testing I don't have my 6700K at stock settings. But with 41x4 CPU & 41x cache I got 9.70 on Cinebench R11.5 with CCC on overclock fan profile

Spoiler

 

See below.

No, both of you are correct. In my quest to be helpful by installing it for the EC v.08g testing that Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER provided, I installed it to replicate what almost everyone else would experience. I've got an image and I can also clean install, so no biggie. It just reinforces what we already know about CCC being garbage. I do not rely on any part of it except the keyboard lighting control and I would rather disconnect the ribbon cable and have no LED than the bright blue color. I love having it white or yellow/white, but I'm not installing it for that.

No. You have to do a full flash to reset NVRAM. You still need to turn it off for a bit and let it sit before turning it back on again after flashing the EC. If you want to clear all NVRAM, take out the CMOS battery and remove the AC adapter for 30 seconds. Make sure you are sober. You will need to know the date and time to reset that, LOL.

 

9.89 for 41x multipliers on all cores

Also, after some fiddling, got back that sweet 897 in R15.

Seems the laptop works more than fine without CCC.

My clocks don't hold much more above, I don't crash, but the scores don't grow at all, so I guess I;m getting throttling.

 

9.70 is low for 4.1GHz(see @Georgel score also). Stock 6700K is more +9,70

 

41x4 is basicallly stock. 42x1+40x3 may as well be 41x4. Not enough change to matter. That would explain the same score as stock most likely.

Single core clock speeds is only important for Alienware's deceptive marketing fluff.

 

Having higher clocks on a single core didn't seem to do much for performance in my case, so I don't advice to go for it as it might increase voltages and temperatures slightly.

 

4.1 vs 4.0 all 4 cores = 2.5% increase All figures count as you know. The difference can be significant if you are crazy enough to buy JokeBook's, Correct?
Especially if you have soldered trash from Intel. A magical increase from 4.0 to 4.1GHz is a big jump if you're a BGA fanboy.

Take for example... Stock 6700K or a heavy oc'd 6820 who score around 9.70 And then push a fiery overclock as mentioned before up 2.5%. Suddenly you are going to magically... Yes, pass 9.94
Quite magical right?

 

--> i7-6700HQ
--> when overclocked
--> Dell "engineer"

I guess I must be a super engineer, I know 6700HQs can't be overclocked.

 

Or have we missed something? Is there something Dell's engineers try to tell us?

 

Turdbooks won't be able to pull these kinda figures easily

 

These kinda figures Easily? Are you kidding with me? More like low 10.xx with a top notch chips and downwind of the fire Or shall we say Death in fire?

 

Yet another review of i7-7700K http://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-processor-review/

Power Consumption

"During idle conditions, the i7-7700K consumes around 60-watts which demonstrate its efficient nature rather well. Overclocking the CPU doesn’t have a massive impact on the power draw and keeps the product within respectable levels. When you compare clock for clock, the i7-7700K uses less power than the i7-6700K. However, the results seem skewed by the contrasting frequencies. Under load, the i7-7700K hovers around the 165-watt mark which is a decent number given the 4.5GHz Turbo. Overclocking the CPU to 5.1GHz results in a power consumption around 182-watts which isn’t a huge increase over the i7-6700K running at 4.8GHz"

Spoiler: Temperatures and power consumtion

 

Just ran Cinebench on my CPU at "stock". For some reason my "stock" is 4.2Ghz on all four cores lol:

 

Hi Papusan,

It would be interesting to operate the i7 7700k in the notebook at approximately 4.8 GHz - as described in the article.
Temperatures around 80 degrees C should be possible.
Maybe even less with good cooling.
As I have understood, the i7 7700k in the test is already clocked in the basic volting without a high boost voltage to 4.8 GHz higher - without problems with the stability.
For this is still missing the Delid of the CPU.
So also the i7 7700k could be interesting for us.
Prema needs to adapt his bios to Kaby Lake.
4.8 GHZ when playing gives a proper thrust and stable!

And for you overclockers it is the next gameplay!

 

Naisu song

I noticed a thing going on. I had this happen once and am unable to track the source. I opened Photoshop without opening an image or anything, just the software, and for 5 seconds the laptop was unresponsive and the mouse lagged. Cannot trace it nor reproduce it tho I wonder what happened back there.

Besides this seems that formatting the OS drive and reinstalling windows cleans CCC entirely, everything works in top condition.

I might try some OC but the main reason I don't OC are temperatures which are notoriously bad on my unit, up to 95C with Fn+F1. I am planning to do a repaste, but I'm not delidding as I want to sell this 6700K to buy a 7700K as soon as they became available in here.

 

For those of you who are running without CCC have you found anyway create a fan curve? I know this is probably a no and most of you are just using FN-1.

 

Let's put things this way: The auto profile which is used without FN+F1 is enough to handle anything that doesn't need full fans. What need full fans will need full fans either way

 

Very well said. + rep
You don't need more

See ^^ @Ictalley0109

 

Especially with the altered pad layout