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THIS.
THIS.
JESUS ****ING CHRIST T H I S.

More than the corporations, the media is responsible for the lack of information out there, most of it should be about what the hardware being reviewed is actually worth, instead its about fluff and exaggerated specs.

 

Is there legit no confirmed IPC change? Because nobody seems to be wanting to confirm this. I have yet to find equal-speed benches run, just everybody going "eh well they perform about the same".

See this I can understand. That's good. I would like to see some good stuff though, and from people who have the chips to check. Temps too are something to consider and remember as well, Papusan. The higher the CPU temp the more power it consumes. @Mr. Fox pointed that out to me before and I noticed it myself. Even if I sit there watching OCCT run, the TDP used simply goes up slowly as the temperature does. So if they're at 75 and you're at 90 near the end the difference might be less than you think.

EXACTLY. It's so stupid. Do you want to know how I even found out that the default turbo is 4.4GHz for 2, 3 and 4 cores? Because I saw the rebranded tek syndicate (now called Crit TV for some reason) run through the BIOS of a Z270 board using a 7700K and I saw the default multiplier settings. They didn't even mention it while running through it. I just had to see it to get the information.

I need to start my own tech website, clearly.

 

I guess looking back I can't find a hard source with a real test yet. No one I've seen has said it does though, the benchmarks are where I'd expect, and all the rumors said no IPC change.

Guess we'll know for sure in a couple days or something.

Edit: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-review/

Uh... So hard numbers there at 4.5 vs 4.5. The 7700k seems slower with a lower IPC in a solid amount of tests...

 

More 7700K Info!!
"So while you game you can run at 5GHz, and when you want to run IntelBurnTest you can set a -200Mhz offset and the CPU frequency will drop to 4.8GHz for IntelBurnTest. The next thing Intel added is BCLK award adaptive voltage/frequency curve, and that should help simplify overclocking voltage levels"

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7995/intel-kaby-lake-7700k-cpu-review/index11.html

EDIT.
Thinner and lighter laptops @Mr. Fox

"Laptops and tablets with Kaby Lake are so thin and light that their weight in a backpack is not noticeable, unless it’s a fully loaded gaming PC. Samsung’s new 13.3-inch Notebook 9 weighs an amazing 816 grams, but offers only seven hours of battery life. Low-power Kaby Lake chips will also be in laptops and 2-in-1 devices from Lenovo, HP, Acer and Dell that weigh 1 to 1.5 kilograms"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3154...t-in-pcs-with-intels-new-kaby-lake-chips.html

 

Well, they never actually listed the benches at 4.2GHz and while they said 4.5GHz boost they could have left it basic... I don't know. I will assume that they manually set it to 4.5. From what I saw though, the iGPU is worse in raw power, and the CPU is generally as good as or better. Their 5GHz had a terrible run on a couple benches, so I don't know if it's because the memory was affected...

Either way I guess 6700K is probably still the safest bet, since it's for sure usable on W7/8.1

Another point in the article locked a bunch of CPUs at 4GHz and benched well, that was good. Same IPC is confirmed now, 100%. The adaptive voltage/frequency curve is... interesting... but allowing people to actually use Static Voltage would basically fix OCing problems >_>. Any word on if KL can use static voltage? Since Skylake cannot?

also, Tweaktown's website is actually so bad I don't want to go there ever again. Constant CPU usage spikes, full of ads, won't let me view it without turning off adblock. Absolutely terrible website.

 

not exactly on topic, but some posts back then you discussed the issue or the thing about the Windows Timer and low and behold after trying 2 days to get Fallout 4 fixed, with several "tweaks" who should fix stuttering and fps drops i found a solution. The game stuttered like no tommorow and i was sooo freakin annoyed that i was really close to just say "**** that ****" yesterday i suddenly thought about the Windows Timer thingy, and yeah it seems like my windows timing moves in 5 second intervalls between 15,625ms and 1ms (to save energy ?), and fallout 4 stuttered about every 5 seconds +/- when moving the mouse alone. Set the timer to 0,5ms and guess what stutter free gameplay, i dunno why but after looking really intense for tweaks about that issue i was the only one to find a simple but powerful solution, even after 1 yr of release? Nevertheless i was soooo happy that i now can play it

TL;DR

Fallout 4 stuttering fix
Download Throttlestop or Windows System Timer Tool
set to 1ms or 0,5ms
play

 

For a solid 2 years since I've been on windows 8.1 I've been doing that. I legitimately REFUSE to use my OS without it. The smoothness benefit in a lot of games is way way way too high.

 

Please don't hit me, but what is that and what does it do?

A quick google search did not return too many answers...

 

Erm... basically it's Windows' internal updating cycle, for lack of a better description. The lower it goes, the more often windows updates (and the more consistent it will be). It uses more power by a slight bit, and drains battery a little bit faster (negligible), but otherwise there's no real downside.

 

At some point we have to take things with a grain of salt, understanding that this applies to everything... literally. Technology is no exception. Whatever fits their agenda is what they spin and how they spin it. It does not need to be meaningful, accurate, based on fact, or considered in context... their agenda is the basis for everything and if the numbers don't add up they replace them with anecdotal crap that supports their agenda. Combine that with a measure of ignorance and that's the media... the "voice of the sheeple" are shills, LOL.

In terms of technology, this is why early adoption is a bad idea. Show me the numbers. Don't tell me it's "about the same" as whatever clock-for-clock. Who cares. Bench the crap out of it, overclock the snot out of it, then show me the numbers... all of them. If it fails, say so. If it rocks, prove it.

 

Only if the "masses" understood that.

 

If only people who had media sway would say that

 

That sounds pretty good. What is the lowest safe setting before it induces jitter?


@Meaker@Sager @XMG and other Clevo sellers, what is the DAC inside P775? I mean, we know it's ESS sabre DAC, but not a single site tells if it's 9018, 9016, 9008, 9006 or 9023. Just saying that it would be cool to know since some audiophiles would buy the laptop more if they would knew this, those DACs are a very important aspect for audiophiles and the laptop has a line out...

 

Clearly, the masses do not understand jack. The media mumbo-jumbo and baseless hype sells pathetic BGA feces like hotcakes. God bless the little children and the money machines they so innocently support.

 

Yea, if only they would truly test them appropriately and release those results!!

They likely only care about being first to "press" with an article about new tech with just enough info to get some interest, to get the most traffic, to driving ad revenue... They probably don't even really care about the hardware, and could likely be swayed by the company leaving out specifics that make the product look bad in order to get the earliest sample. Or intentionally leave out "bad" info in order to make it look like they have the hottest news on the newest awesome tech to try and make their article go viral, before the real truth comes out that it's BGA filth!

 

ES9018-2M, line out is driven by Realtek.

 

You can't really set it below 1ms... and lowering it reduces jitter, not the other way around. Default is 15.6ms (16ms).

it isn't even about BGA. It's about all the new tech. Everything is just like dirty little secrets. Did you see what I said about Guru3D on their article about the 7700K? They claimed a 2600K and a 6700K clocked the same perform about the same. Like... a 2600K would need to be 5.8GHz to match a 4.5GHz 6700K. That's not nearly the same, and the author should be fired.

 

Ewwww. So it's not direct ?

 

Yes, I did see that and it was part of what prompted my comments.

The media will rise to whatever level of incompetence we hold them to. They could fire the author, but chances are good he would be replaced by someone of equal or greater incompetence.

Maybe they should follow the advice most of our parents gave us, and likely their parents gave them... "If you don't have something nice to say, just don't say anything" ...and... "lying never makes anything better... it only leads to more lies."

 

The headphone port is Realtek SPDIF -> ESS DAC -> Amplifier stage. Line out is straight up Realtek.

 

ES9018 + LM49720 + OPA1622

For all Sabre equipped models.

 

The 9018, won't be able to do much if the circuitry and routing are mediocre though.

 

Well it's obviously not since the sound is very nice

 

Nice is very subjective though. Personally I have seen too many poor implementations of the 9018 around , that it hurts.
Another example of how everyone just buys into the hype, that MSI created.
Don't get me wrong, it probably sounds great for the general user. But not separating circuits, just invites crosstalk.

 

So... Let's put things this way:

Good to know! Set it to 0.5ms for now, let's see if it helps in any way XD Cannot see a difference yet, but maybe it helps out. Don't know what windows time is. But 15.6 doesn't sound right enough...

It runs automatically? I need to run it on startup?

#same reaction XD

Erm... I don't think that this is how it works....






A line out outputs the signal that has been processed by the DAC. If there is no Realtek DAC, then the line out should go north of ESS Sabre DAC (?)

That configuration sounds pretty sweet! Is there any way I can check if I have this configuration or something else?

Don't all P775 come with ESS Sabre DACs inside?

It had the ESS sticker thingy, but I would like to make sure

 

I've not heard any complaints either.

Every machine with a sabre DAC from Clevo uses those.

 

If you set it via Throttlestop, it should work as long as TS is running. If you set it via some other method, I cannot say.

 

Curious because ESS 9018 by itself is one of the best DACs out there. If I'm not confusing it, FiiO X7 also uses it, and the DAC should be plenty capable.

Of course, implementation is more than 90% of the sound, but if the line out just cuts outside of the DAC, we should be set for a good quality line out if we are using even an average headphone AMP.

 

So... All P775 have it?

This thing works well?

https://vvvv.org/contribution/windows-system-timer-tool

 

Never used it, cannot say.

 

What on earth makes you think there's no DAC in the Realtek?

 

The DAC is only as good as the layout and circuitry it is implemented in.

 

Using two DACs feels redundant...

Pfff... Sad thing. I really wish they would had cut it from the ESS DAC for the line out.

It always is.

It's just that Sabre DACs tend to have a brither sound than say CSS DACs, but I personally heard implementations on both that proved exactly the opposite.

 

Yes, and we have established the base set is there and the P870 series has a separate audio PCB.

 

Sorry, I must have missed this part

I'm really curious about the audio qualities.

Want to write an in-depth review on P775 soon and I need this information since I focus on audio part of things when I review things.

 

P870DMx has the best Audio (Speaker and Headphone) I have ever had on a Notebook.

 

Let me explain how corporate greed invaded and perverted the press. It starts, just like in politics, with access. Those that do the best job and fully test and release that to the masses, both before and after release, effect their (both the company the reviewer works for and the reviewer) ability to get a review sample for the next release. This means that if you are critical out write the truth about the product without fluff, you get blacklisted from early access on all future products. Without that access, ad revenue suffers, thereby effecting the money generated for the company, which leads to the best journalists being marginalized. So, companies, in effect, gag the press unless the press practically write a sales ad for the new product.

This is compounded with the use of NDAs to limit the scope of what is allowed to be compared and reported (like a politician pre-approving questions and topics *cough-Hillary-cough*, which has been widely reported of late by wikileaks). So even if the reporter wanted to be honest, they are contractually obligated to not tell certain truths.

Finally, is the issue of cherry picked samples, which, if you notice is mentioned more infrequently as caveats to reviews anymore, although I've seen no evidence to suggest the act has slowed down in reality.

Thus, never trust what you read until the entire truth is revealed (like Saddam having WMDs, so said the CIA)!

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Similar thoughts on P775. Sadly, I haven't heard MSI or P870 or competition, but I heard over 50+ laptops sound and P775 is by far the best I heard to date. The speaker system is really really good after engaging their own effects and making it sound good. On headphone output, it is the best laptop, no questions, but...

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan @bloodhawk

This lady is saying that the Predator 21X has a desktop class Kaby Lake, then says it's the 6820HQ? Am I crazy or what's going on here?



PS: The coolest feature is the trackpad....... right........

 

Not everything that glitters is gold. Trash is trash. I expect you would hear it from us long time ago if this BIG smartphone filth had proper hardware!! People are stupid, and same with some reviewers and journalists

 

They probably felt that 6820HQ is desktop class ?

 

It would still not be Kaby Lake though

 

It actually has the 7820HK IIRC

 

It does not matter. This big JokeBook was already broken when it was on the drawing board. And BGA Kaby lake can not save this monstrosity from the nearest trash can!!

 

'Desktop class' is the correct ambiguous, misleading, predatory marketing speak required to sell this overpriced disappointment.

21" laptop with a puny PSU and battery boost I'm guessing too. It would be complete then.

 

I think this big Acerbook have dual psu setup. Perhaps to justify the astronomical price? But I think no matter, 9999 Euro is all too much to pay for only the nice curved screen and the dual psu. I can buy a good top notch external Acer gaming monitor for a lot less

 

You can buy a home in Romania for that money

OR a good car, Clevo laptop, audiophile headphones, audiophile DAP, digital drawing tablet, KBD, mouse, smartphone, and have money for food for almost a year. Yeah.

 

@D2 Ultima never thought tbh that i need to tinker with the Windows timer in 2016-2017, but somewhere in the back of my head remembered a similar issue with FO3 and FO:NV, but hey it works the only game i needed it cause every other games runs fine (besides GPU OC thing) but well it's the morrowind engine in it's core and bethesda's engine were ridden with problems since, Vsync Physics lock, 64hz Bug etc.

 

[email protected] mhz vs. [email protected] mhz
Or all 4 cores + 8 threads... [email protected] mhz vs. [email protected] mhz

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_freq...=0#interval=20#hardwareSafeName=core_i7_7700k

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_freq...=0#interval=20#hardwareSafeName=core_i7_6700k

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Edit.
Core i7-7700K - Kaby Lake & Corsair RAM Overclocking
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016...y_lake_corsair_ram_overclocking/#.WG3OoxvhCUk

"I set the Core i7-7700K to run at 4.5GHz and I used the XMP settings on the RAM which sets the clock to 3600MHz and the timings at 18-19-19-39-2T. The system booted right up and to the desktop without issue. This is not always what we have seen with Skylake processors in the past. In fact, Skylake gets downright tricky to tweak properly to get highly overclocked RAM settings with above 4.2GHz or so in mine and Dan's experience"

Intel Kaby Lake Core i7-7700K Overclocking Preview
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016...y_lake_corsair_ram_overclocking/#.WG3OoxvhCUk

"Bad" Kaby Lake CPUs are looking to do 4.8GHz at less than 1.3v vCore. "Good" Kaby Lake CPUs are looking to do the magical 5GHz at 1.35v or less. 5GHz looks to be where these hit the wall however. The "golden" Kaby Lake will deliver 5.1GHz, but at a high 1.37v vCore"

 

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