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Fugger also has an auto cascade at -110C as well. I got a chance to talk to him as well over the CES weekend.

 

I noticed his cascade scores of 5ghz on the 6950x. Didn't know it was -110C, though. Still, I think one of these chillers would be a good next step for my overclocking toys (I think it also moved me from enthusiast to apprentice category), either that or having to build my own...

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Indeed, awesome job, Brother @Prema... and you, too Brother John. Until you get around to killing it, I think this might be a laptop high score for Fire Strike. The only downside to 7700K is the ridiculous thermals. I got spoiled with the 6700K temps being so low. Benching 7700K above 4.7GHz just ain't gonna happen without AC cooling... goes nuclear, LOL.



http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17387737

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17388050

 

A water chiller should have already been a part of your arsenal of cooling.

@Mr. Fox Now that's what I'm talking about! Was wondering when you were going to get tired of 5.0 ghz.

 

Yes, but I only started overclocking competitively in November of 2015. So I have my p170hm, my p770zm, and now my skylake desktop for all of my points. My arsenal is thin, but I'll get there!

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Yes, but you have been a lurker for how long?

totally forgot about this being the wrong driver!
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11418488

 

You know me... "Data Daddy" LOL. I try (most of the time) to take notes as I go along so I can reproduce the same results, or at least try to, later on. That seems smart on the surface, but it is really an indication of a poor memory.

That's a great score right there, too. I know you're going to beat mine probably as soon as later today. Im using @j95 drivers. They require no further modding.

 

I thought I already posted these, but I must have just imagined it.

 

You are right about that Data. You stay fully 100 percent on top of that! I need to really start doing that this year. And it's a great plan as always.

Thanks.

 

I wasn't too active since I joined in 2011 (was in law school and spent very little time out of the library)! Now I know I should have done electrical engineering, spent all my extra cash on these toys, and be much higher ranked than I am... Shows what poor life choices do to people!

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Hobbies are just that...Hobbies... For when a guy or gal has time to indulge.

 

I'm actually lucky that I also (usually) love the law and keep up with certain parts of it as a hobby (has taught me quite a bit about the Tom-****ery of Washington DC).

But, that's why I'll slowly get my arsenal in order, move through the ranks, etc. HWBot is almost at 100,000 users, meaning soon I can say (after I increase my global ranking slightly) that I'm in the top 1% on that site...

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Grr, I just spent the whole day recovering from trying this. I read it as I only was to tweak the services/progs on the startup tab (no mention of checking services tab), so I didn't realize this disabled all services by default apparently. On top of that I thought diagnostic mode was a click to enable, then i could just click to get back to where I was, but that is not how it worked out for me.

I couldn't login to steam after diagnostic mode reboot. No big deal right? Just turn everything back on and reboot? Nope. It would not reboot (stuck on restarting forever) and 9 out of 10 times I couldn't log back on either(stuck on logging in). The occasional times I could log on I couldn't really do anything since everything was disabled. I had to troubleshoot and google solutions from my phone since my BGA laptop is out for repair.

Startup repair didn't work, and most ways of getting into safe mode didn't work either. I finally got an old system restore to work (my new ones kept failing), I was so close to doing a full reinstall.

I'll live with a few less points and just keep benching in my full blown windows mode

 

Interesting way of looking at it.

 

Sorry I didn't mention that. I thought that was known (and that when you're done, you turn everything back on using msconfig normal setting then go back through for setting your normal optimizations). I do apologize for that, but don't give up on it for one bad experience. It's just one more learning step that will make it easier for you next time. Always, if pushing your hardware's limits, backup, have a backup machine for if **** hits the fan, and make sure you understand what the settings do. I could tell you horror stories on creating custom Windows builds or playing with certain services settings or group policies. But, it has made me much better at troubleshooting!

Once again, sorry about that!

I'm just looking for the win where I can get it. My 4790K can get a couple more points, but until I get New cooling toys, I'm close to maxed out on what I can get. I suppose I could do more practice on GPU overclocks (my weakness) or more ram tweaking, but other than that, I'm about where I'll be at for awhile... So, getting past to the top 1,000 on their worldwide all users is my current goal (with a view to higher as I get a larger arsenal)...

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At the end of the day...It's how many parts you can bench with what you have. That is what helps teams climb. Not the lone soldier trying for max out on 1 or two parts....

So don't worry about a water chiller for now. Just talk to some friends and bench their computers/laptops/gpus and cpus. That's how you help your team grow. And that my friend....cost you nothing, but some of your time is all.

 

Wish I could visit my undergrad town and my friend would let me access his shop! He owns a computer repair shop and has all sorts of hardware come through there (he doesn't overclock at all, just gets them back to working order)... But, if he'd let me have some fun, I'd be able to crank out numbers very quickly.

Unfortunately, where I'm at now, don't have near as many friends around that I can ask to use their hardware...

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Spoiler

http://valid.x86.fr/qnklp9

 

http://valid.x86.fr/45153i
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Not sure if this is a bad sample. Can't validate over 5.0 without touching voltage, and it shoots to 99C almost instantly the second anything puts it under load, even at max fans. Even wPrime at 4.5 at stock voltage puts it to 96 with max fans. Is this expected for non-delidded with Gelid for the 7700K?

 

Nice! You've got 7700K in your DM1? How are the temps? Idiotic like everyone else's?

Yeah, welcome to Kaby Lake... aka Haswell Blast Furnace 2.0 ...crazy hot. Same experience I had, and even delid with CLU is still too hot for much past 4.5GHz without resorting to using my AC cooler. I never actually even needed AC cooling for the CPU with 6700K at 4.8-4.9GHz and that was cooler than 7700K at 4.5GHz. I only used it before to keep the GPUs cold. Now it is mandatory for 7700K.

Now I understand why the Kaby Lake turdbook owners are worried about their BGA limptops catching on fire. (How you like my new derogatory term for BGA filth? Limptop... LOL.)

 

Is this with CLU everywhere or just under the delid? IIRC I topped out at a bit over 70C at 4.8 with like +50mV in TSBench using just max fans. I like benching at 5+ GHz as much as the next fellow, but real-world performance is just as critical to me, and I won't be lugging around a cooler or AC unit all the time. If Kaby Lake is a downgrade from Skylake under typical usage conditions I'm going to just sit this gen out.

 

I had CLU everywhere and it was this hot. I took it apart and replaced the CLU on top with ICD (what I have now) to see if it helped due to poor heat sink contact/pressure and the temps are more or less identical. But, yeah... definitely under the lid. As expected based on past experience, that shaved about 18-20°C off my temps with delidding and putting CLU under the IHS.

 

That's incredibly disappointing. I had high hopes of a 4.8-4.9 daily driver, but the thermals seem completely unmanageable. I see no reason to pay for a downgrade for my typical use cases.

 

Exactly. Does it even have static voltage?

 

Yeah, if I were a gamer rather than a bencher, I'd already have the 6700K back in the chassis. It's a complete waste of money for anyone that plays games or something less. The only value I see in having it so far is being able to use my 3200 RAM at 3200 and higher CPU overclocks. If I were primarily a gamer, I would not buy a Kaby Lake CPU... 6700K is much better suited for that.

Yes it does. That part actually works more reliably than Sky Lake did.

 

If they buy the Jokebooks with the updated unlocked BGA Baby lake... Maybe they shoult invest in this machine below as well?

 

Pretty manageable i think :
https://i.gyazo.com/187d871827805160aedbc1212edd0460.jpg

Still testing stuff.

Going to do some Cinebench and Rendering tests tonight.

 

Actually, they should buy one of these machines and all of us should probably buy stock in this because of all the disposable trash the OEMs are pooping out of their digital heiny's left and right.

 

Mine crashes at 1.23V, so at the very least it's a bad sample.

 

We actually already have one...

 

You can't really pass judgment that quick. If the temps are too high you're going to get a skewed read on voltage. More heat requires more voltage... more voltage makes more heat... nasty circle of one affecting the other. Address the heat first, and then you'll be able to tell if you have a good sample.

 

Yeah, but the problem is that I can't really address heat without delidding, so I have to commit to this sample before I can really find out what it's capable of. All I can go on now is a rough apples-to-apples comparison with @bloodhawk under similar conditions.

 

Edit... I see

 

If you can find a way to keep it cold without delidding you can test it that way and decide. Do you have an AC unit you can use to blow cold air into the bottom of it? If not, if it is cold where you live ( real winter, meaning below freezing... not the Southern interpretation of what winter is) run max fans outside with it sitting on a laptop cooler with the bottom cover removed and that'll probably help the temps enough.

 

Nope, basically no way of doing that. Don't have an AC unit, and it's a balmy 58 degrees out. All I have is my modded U3.

 

Try that and see how it does. Take the bottom cover off and set it on the U3 and bench/tweak things outside. That will probably help a great deal. Even though 58°C isn't actually cold, that's much better than normal room temperature.

 

Good call. After taking it outside, I was able to bump it down to 1.195V before it crashed on me. I'm still not convinced I have the best sample since @bloodhawk 's can hit 1.2V at 4.8 stable at furnace temps, but now I'm considering giving Kaby Lake another chance. Gonna return this one and eat the restocking fees, then keep an eye on how much success other people have before I decide if I want to shoot for another in another few weeks.

 

If I'm running a single gpu, do you think switching to the grid heat sink will help cool the processor better? Or make no difference?

 

It'll make at least 10°C difference
I am an idiot and I thought you meant cool the GPU better.

 

I'm not convinced it helps the CPU that much, but the GPU definitely runs cooler.

 

Does anyone have some starting BIOS screenshots that I can build from on my 7700k? I do have the prema bios loaded but unsure where to start in terms of getting this thing to overclock... I grabbed a 7700k delidded from silicon lottery.

 

I thought heat from GPU was loaded over to Processor heatsink. Is it reversible function as well when there is no load on the GPU? Cpu will be coolder in pure processor bench?

 

Just looking at your 5.0 verification shows the voltage is too high.

Yeah, throttle stop don't count. You need something else...Like Wprime1024/cinebench115 or R15/ XTU or Vantage cpu test. TS does not put enough stress on the cpu.

It doesn't dump that much heat on to the cpu heat sinks....You could lift it off the cpu and have it not touch at all. Technically speaking.

 

I don't feel very much heat from the GPU fans when doing CPU benches. The interface between the two doesn't seem very conductive.

 

Bruh. BRUH. I totally replied thinking about the GPU T_T

 

It's actually easier if you leave the CPU overclock settings in the BIOS stock to start off with and use ThrottleStop and XTU to get things dialed in, then go set your daily driver settings in the BIOS. ThrottleStop is nice because you can create 4 overclock profiles and choose a daily driver from one of those.

If you have what seems to be an "average" 7700K you can set all multipliers at 47 or 48 and run stable with stock voltage. The challenge is keeping it cool enough for daily driver clock speeds above 4.5GHz.

 

Example: Clock speed [email protected] vs. [email protected]
I would have thought 7700K with lower voltage would give lower Cpu Package power in the same benchmark. Lower watts = lower temp. Is there a particular reason why Kaby lake would become warmer with equal clock speed? Or apply this higher clockspeed? Thanks

Edit: Or could it be the upgraded iGPU who is the culprit, although this is disabled in Clevo?

 

What helps stabilizing the voltage at higher clocks? Im sure for higher clocks its not just a balance of the Voltage and the offset.



Definitely needs a delid -

@Papusan

https://gyazo.com/02bbbb01552c9019fc0634f42a63de70

 

that voltage looks great, but thos temps look hella crazy at 4.8.

This is at higher voltage and lower temps with using just max fans and blowing room temp air through the bottom.
Voltage during run is 1.267V underload