Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

I also have the scotch tape tabs on the keyboard for easy access. You're rubbing off on me.

 

Quick question...what is your device id?

 

@dspboys
Don't think I don't see you trying to creep up on me with your new 7700k Either.

 

Yeah, Brother @dspboys is definitely sneaky... but, in a really good way.

 

This is true! And I have no problem taking a back seat to him or you! But I would have a serious problem if some new comer with a lucky chip and no skill set did.
Flashback. Sandybridge 2 series chips.

 

Lucky Chip - Check

Newcomer - Check

Time to annoy @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER - Kinda check.

 

I don't even have a lucky chip.

And you are not new - Check

And your chip has been MB tested. - Check

And you're not annoying me - Check.

 

Thank you guys! It will take me a few months to replace my 7700k. It seems I got an unlucky batch or something, it can do +25mv at 5.0Ghz. At 5.1Ghz it keeps crashing until +130mv, even then the physics scores are really low like it was operating at 4.8Ghz. I've also tried static, from 1.27V to 1.39V (15.8k physics @5.1Ghz), the same behavior.

 

@dspboys
Well, after i have a conversation with @Mr. Fox And @bloodhawk I'll hit you up.

 

That's correct

 

Weird indeed. Which version of the driver are you trying to install ?

 

Need a screen shot of his device id before you can get to the bottom of it.

 

I actually had the same issue when i first installed the alpha on my DM1, for some reason i was trying to drop the modded inf in the wrong driver version.
Not sure how much that matters, but it did for me :S

 

Yes, that will do it also.

 

Quick update... Got a "quick hack" of my custom laptop cooling pad completed... No A/C just ambient air, and already jumped over 200 points ( http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11449905/fs/11160325) in my Firestrike score with the *exact* same settings, AND it's 78*F in this room!

Although it's definitely far from a "normal" cooling pad... 217 Watts of fan power!! It's like comparing a BGA turdbook to our beasts

Idle temps with max fans running 4.5GHz were 28-30*C


This Firestrike run was at 4.8GHz, custom curve (~+210 is where I adjusted from) in MSI on the 1080 with +500 RAM

 

How did you disable DSE specifically?

 

Don't worry, the day when some 12y old crushes our scores with the phrase 'It's just sitting there' will come.

 

Those days already came. SandyBridge, but they quickly went to complaining when Ivybridge came out(Chip was a furnace and needed LN2 to compete). All real overclockers with extreme cooling gear just laughed. Must have been like 100,000 new experienced overclockers. No chips really went above 5.5 ghz. You didn't need anything extreme. And they were plug and play. Set multiplier run bench record score. And the first extreme chip to be under 1k.


Say Prema, don't be trying to jinx me. You got me looking around now.

 

I think once you post your 5.5G runs, we will all be safe for a while...

 

Yes, we shall chat about that later.

 

Can you tell me whether the new Prema BIOS AVX is separately adjustable. Please!

 

Yes, there is an avx offset on the @Prema mod. There are lots of options, even the bclk is adjustable, you're gonna love it ;-)

 

I had no luck last night getting my machine to recognize my video card. @Prema @Mr. Fox @bloodhawk @D2 Ultima @Meaker@Sager I really do appreciate all the help guys. I'm going to keep trying this morning. One more question. How can @Prema get a Bios like that set up in a matter of weeks and a huge company like Nvidia can't have a Driver ready to go? It's unreal

 

Hi Jon,

What I did was to look for the device id as @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER advised. Then you extract the nvidia installer and then look for nvcvi. Then open it using notepad and then use ctrl+f to look for the first string of your device e.g 1BA0 is the gtx 1080 w/out gsync. Then for every string the ctrl+f finds edit the subsys (same number as the device manager hw id shows), do this until ctrl+f ends. Once you save the inf, you need to disable dse and then you can install the driver.

 

Clevo ordered P870KM licenses before P870DMx KabyLake...

 

Thank you @dspboys , I got it working. I got in touch with Eurocom and they sent me Drivers in a "Brainless form" press the button and it works kind of thing.

 

What is your hardware ID? The @j95 mod did not work? You must have an unusual hardware ID. Can you share that with us? Do you have an MSI GPU in the Clevo?

 

This was a pretty decent video... I think you guys might enjoy it. Shows some real-world gaming differences between i5, i7 and slower versus faster memory.

 

Ah yes. Digital Foundry does what I wish I had enough hardware to do.

Especially since someone told me difference between 2133MHz/2400MHz and 3000MHz RAM (not even counting timings) would be 5% at best in games, I'm now going to go link them this.

*shakes head* people still don't believe me when I said I went from 1600MHz to 2133MHz and didn't change the timings that I got a 30fps bump from ~80 to ~110 in Evolve Stage 2.

Question, can I run the 3000MHz RAM in 2133MHz 15-15-15-35 mode? Or is its default, non-XMP around 2666MHz or something? I'd like to legit run about 4-5 benchmarks, reboot and change timings, run the same benchmarks, and prove that it does something. Especially once I get the 15-17-17-39 timings running well, so it'll be a basic speed bump with almost no timing bumps (15-15-15-35 to 15-17-17-39)

 

3x000 RAM defaults to 2400(1200) without using XMP.

 

tyvm based magical asian computer phoenix

 

They also did a other video which smashes that myth.
There's also a vaguely similar illusion propagated about any highly clocked CPU's being unnecessary too.

I've been trying to educate myself about RAM tweaking tonight - I'm a RAM OCing Himbo. Feel free to make some suggestions

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11916953

 

I don't know enough about RAM tweaking specifically, but feel free to join my Teamspeak or talk on steam and we can chat whenever

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3428655_

 

Kingston RAM OC'd to 3000MHz?

 

Yes... it's still more stable than the G.SKILL RAM. Maybe because they are 4*4GB modules. I actually programmed the values to XMP so I don't have to manually input the numbers ever time I reset the BIOS. The G.SKILL RAM works great when it feels like it, and other times it's utter garbage (frequent BSOD). Yesterday and today it was in one of its moods and just got fed up with the nonsense and put the Kingston RAM back in again.

 

Even with prema mod your 3000MHz isn't stable? I though it should be perfectly fine.

 

Nope. I don't think it's a BIOS issue. I'm only guessing, but I think it's a hardware shortcoming rather than firmware. It was never totally stable at 3000 and totally unusable at 3200 with 6700K. The 7700K helped quite a bit and it made 3000 generally stable and 3200 usable sometimes. And, these are 3200 modules. I had exactly the same issues, as most will recall, with multiple sets of G.SKILL 3000 modules and Corsair 3000 modules. All were 16GB sticks, which may have something to do with whatever the deal is. In 20/20 hindsight, would have been better to have gone with 4*8 but 3000 laptop memory isn't plentiful and 3200 is borderline non-existent, so there is not much to choose from.

 

Well, I'll see if I can't get 4 x 8GB sticks then, at least. Otherwise, I'll just have to hope Prema mod saves meh and I get some good sticks from Eurocom

 

Probably your safest bet. These 4GB Kingston 2400 sticks are the only memory modules that have ever been 100% stable in my machine. I suspect it has nothing to do with brand and everything to do with capacity. Another observation... the higher the CPU core overclock goes, the more unstable the 16GB sticks become... at least on my system. That situation is also consistent on all BIOS versions, including stock Clevo BIOS.

 

Ah yes I knew that much about the overclocks. I thankfully only wish to run 4.5-4.6GHz as a daily driver (I am 100% certain thermals will not allow me to stream or render at 4.7GHz or above, unless I get a golden chip), so that should at least mitigate things.

I found it rather interesting with your XTU bench you see. The g.skill was at 3000MHz with lower timings than your kingston, and even though the kingston has a lower AIDA64 write speed (similar read/copy speeds) it still scored higher. Interesting results to me.

 

I had about 25 0x50 PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA errors in the 24 hours before removing the G.SKILL and installing the Kingston. That immediately stopped with the 4GB sticks. And, it had been stable for days prior to that.

There could be some random errors with the G.SKILL 16GB sticks even when there are no visible blue-screening problems, and that could impair the XTU score using the G.SKILL. I've lost many hours I will never get back fiddling with RAM on the P870DM3.

 

Yeah, I know you've had lots of problems with it. I think that many others have no problems means it is also hardware related and you're just somewhat unlucky, but I'll still try for 4 x 8GB sticks. It was my intention in the first place.

 

No, I disagree with the unlucky part. How many people are pushing 3000 and 3200 memory and CPU overclocks as far as I am? Not many... in fact, I think you can count the number of us doing that on one hand.

I think many people have problems they are not aware of because they are not pushing their systems. Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER has had more than a few issues with memory instability as well.

But, it helps me be less frustrated to know that many desktop owners are faced with the same issues, even with expensive mainboards that don't handle RAM overclocking with grace and poise. 3000 and higher RAM overclocking is a fairly small group even in desktop world. But, I think 7700K may help change that.

 

Well, that's a good point indeed. I'll just have to aim and hope, then. It's too bad G.Skill let bad modules through like that, but I guess since most Skylake mobile systems will never see the light of day beyond 4GHz that they figure it's fine. You yourself said only when heavily OCing does it really start being so unstable, right?

I guess I'll just be on a wing and a prayer. But either way, I will make things work =D. If I'm unlucky I won't have 15-17-17-39 set, if I'm lucky I should be able to handle that with milder OCs like 4.5-4.6, right?

 

Yes, the memory instability becomes far more apparent with aggressive CPU overclocking. There were many times I could run TM5 or Memtest85 at 4.5GHz with zero errors and never miss a beat until I started bumping up the CPU core clock speeds higher.

If the multiplier went higher than 15 in the BIOS that might help because you could run 100MHz memory clock for more than 3000. Having to bump the memory clock to 133MHz to be able reach 3200 probably is not helping the situation any in terms of stability.

I no longer believe the G.SKILL and Corsair modules have a problem. I think the machine itself has a problem with 16GB modules at 3000 and higher clock speeds. I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it, but I'm pretty sure the stability problems at 3000 and higher are related to them being 16GB sticks. I cannot prove my theory without access to a variety of free 3000 and 3200 memory sticks of varying sizes to use for testing.

 

Wanna start a testing company? I'll test all day I love this stuff

 

Are you OVing your memory controller? You should be if you are experiencing instabilities but memory is fine.

 

I don't think there is a way to do that at the controller input level, if that is what you mean. I do not see a setting anywhere for that.

I am over-volting the memory modules. That doesn't help much. In fact, I found using 1.35V made the G.SKILL sticks more unstable than 1.30V or 1.25V. The Kingston 4GB sticks are running 1.35V.