Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

Possibly a way to measure if you have the equipment on hand... http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/chip-amps/177876-testing-output-amplifier-using-multimeter.html

 

@Mr. Fox

I have asked you before bro but I guess you missed it, what is VT-d and what do you disable it always in your settings?

Also, in your new settings for Kaby Lake, I noticed a few things:

1) Why do you input 160000 for Power Limit 3 and 4 when Prema said it doesn't affect anything since it's for desktops?

2) Why did you put the power limit 1 time windows to 128? it says in the tooltip 28 for mobile and 1 for desktop. you have always taught me, the lower the better remember? why the change now?

3) What is the reason behind voltage limit = 2001 in the Core/IA VR domain? please educate me so I know what I am entering, never had to do this before with our previous settings

4) What is IMON offset and why did you set it to 25348 for the System Agent VR Settings & Core/IA VR Settings

I hope you can answer all my questions

 

You must mistake me with someone else...never said that.

 

Both you and brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER have now beat my desktop 32M@ 5.1GHz, meaning I need to do a 5.2 run...

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I officially have the @Prema Bios. Thank you Kevin @EurocomTechspert @Eurocom Support for helping me with that. @Prema I gave myself a headache just looking thru it. Kudos to you for getting it up and running. I'm VERY impressed. I was told before the bios flash started to shut down my AV. I began looking for the audio software until I realized he was talking about my Norton. OH WELL, I never claimed to be a genius, still lots to learn. I'll keep watching you guys and picking your brains, I'll get there. @Mr. Fox , @bloodhawk , @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER , @Papusan

 

I have no use for VT-d because I do nothing with virtualization. I also disable Virtualization support on the CPU configuration menu, along with AES (encryption) because I have absolutely no use for either of them.

More info on VT-d here: https://software.intel.com/en-us/bl...tel-virtualization-technology-for-directed-io

1, 2, 3, and 4 - experimenting with new things to improve my CPU performance. As I mentioned previously, I am still figuring things out because nobody has a concise guide to overclocking with detailed explanations of X changes Y and when you do that Z happens. It's all trial and error, bro... and if we keep doing the same thing we can expect more of the same. If I do the wrong thing I will discover what not to do next time. As best I can tell, #4 allows me to up my TDP so the CPU can easily draw like 130W instead of it trying to maintain stock sissy-boy 91W TDP. That seems to be the end result.

I am still looking for a meaningful explanation of IMON Scaling Support. When I Google search it the first thing that comes up is your unanswered question at Overclock.net so I am guessing nobody has a good explanation for it. Based on a loose cause and effect observation, it seems to enable #4 (IMON Offset), but I am not 100% positive of that. Maybe Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER knows for certain what it is for and whether my observation from experimentation is accurate.

The Intel BIOS Settings Glossary Version 13 are kind of, sort of, almost, helpful...

Intel BIOS Settings Glossary - Alphabetical

Intel BIOS Settings Glossary - By Menu

 

thanks for the explanation doc.

on a side note, remember when I ordered an Origin PC Millennium desktop? I asked for it to be factory overclocked and they disabled Intel Virtualization technology, when I asked them why did they do that? their tech support said that if I don't really need virtualization, it is best to keep it disabled for better performance.

 

All about Imon.
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/ADP3290-D.PDF

Side Note:
And disabling VT-d or any other virtualizing stuff does absolutely nothing in the way of dropping performance. If it did, then I would not be sitting near the top on scores since i never turn that stuff off. When I'm done benching I run vmware. And that does need that stuff to be turned on.

Edit: If it did, then I wouldn't have been able to break 5.3ghz or 17k Physics in FireStrike
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11443116

 

@Mr. Fox

from what I quickly skimmed through that document, seems like you wanna keep IMON performance scaling off as it kinda manages the current limits, sort of like voltage auto optimization setting found in the BIOS. correct me if I'm wrong

 

I don't use it. And since the voltage is still locked at 1.51V max. You can only go so high.

 

Has anyone noticed any difference using Voltage Scaling ON / OFF / Auto? I haven't noticed any difference.

 

I tried it, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I leave it disabled because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.

@Phoenix Use ctrl f for imon in that document. makes life so much easier.

 

From my quick read it seems the scaling and offset affect the parameters of IMON output = scaling * VR output current + offset. Presumably this is then passed to the EC and CPU to handle power and current throttling and measurement, as well as any other load-dependent twiddling.

 

So, disabling those impairs overclocking performance? Or make no difference either way? I'm getting a mixed read from your comments and want to be sure I understand what you're saying. I think what you are saying is you leave them enabled and it doesn't hurt anything.

Maybe so... entirely possible. But, it hasn't seemed to hurt anything in terms of performance so far. And, as I said, I'm still experimenting. I don't want to assume anything, and I normally don't accept everything I read as being accurate (maybe something @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER posts is the exception) without trying it out for myself to see what happens. I might take it under advisement if extra caution is warranted, but I still like to see cause and effect for myself, and sometimes what I read turns out to be bogus.

 

No, I don't think that is the case, but I also don't think that leaving them on does either. That is more of what I was saying. So i never turn them off.

These were ran this morning with those settings on.

 

That could be why I seem to be able to pull an extra 20-25W from my CPU by using them. Even if it made no difference in performance, drawing more watts makes me feel extra warm and fuzzy inside.

 

LOL.

Edit:

Did you guys see the voltage for validation.

 

please enable IMON scaling support, and let us know your findings

 

Long *sigh*

How??!!!

 

How, there is no how. I think that stuff be off and driving people in the wrong directions. I'm still testing to see if it affects anything, but it looks good in a screen shot.

 

If volts are the same between the two, this just means you are pulling more amps (W=V*A). If there is no improvement in performance, pulling extra amps just works the components much harder without a firm benefit...

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I see what you did there. Lol.

 

Yes. We're going to have to visit about that. Might save me some time with trial and error, and time is something I seem to be short on right now.

If it doesn't hurt performance and lower my benchmark scores, I'd still rather pull extra watts for no reason whatsoever. I love pissing off tree-huggers and energy conservationists. The more the better... also part of my seething anti-BGA hatred for low-powered filth mentality. Want for nothing... balls to the wall... any degree of waste is just collateral damage. Que sera sera.

 

My main point is micro-spikes in current that can cause cumulative damage. Cooling helps, but does not guarantee against this form of damage. You are safer than less experienced individuals that have less expertise, meaning you can better judge limits.

This isn't so much about tree hugging or promoting low energy solutions. It is about efficiency of power and longevity of components. Some viewers here (like those lurching but haven't jumped in), may try your solution, pull extra current, and inadvertently cause originally unperceived damage that shortens the life of components. I prefer powerhouse hardware, but that does not mean I support unneeded current consumption. If there was a firm benefit, I wouldn't have spoken up, but if no firm benefit is there...

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This is a really stupid question but when I set anything in Throttlestop it doesn't seem to do anything? Like if I set adaptive voltage to -150mV and multiplier to 47, it doesn't overclock or downvolt. I have CCC with the XTU disable mod. What am I missing? On stock KBL update (Prema mod is not available yet for P750DM2)

 

You have to enable overclocking in the BIOS (stock or @Prema BIOS). If everything is set to defaults "0" overclocking is disabled. Try that and I think (pretty sure) you will be able to use ThrottleStop with the stock BIOS.

 

@Mr. Fox there is no enable overclocking option in BIOS. What exactly should I be setting?

 

You should have options for overclocking in the BIOS even if the "Enable Overclocking" option is hidden. Try setting the multipliers, voltage and power limits to something other than zero in the BIOS (if you haven't already) and that may flip on the lock bit for overclocking. Otherwise, you may have to use the CCC OC utility or XTU in Windows to enable overclocking and then ThrottleStop should work. But, you have to kill XTU after doing that. If it is running in the system tray along with ThrottleStop, then ThrottleStop will not function as intended. XTU will take over. I recall seeing this over TeamViewer on P870 machines with stock BIOS.

This should be a minor inconvenience until you get the @Prema BIOS installed.

 

@Mr. Fox ok, I think I am getting it. It was hitting TDP Throttle right away when doing AIDA64, thus ignoring my settings. This is a nice "feature" for the stock BIOS/EC too, huh?

 

Every Intel CPU will have the hard wall of the TDP at stock.

 

Cool. I knew you could do it. Yes, you can actually overclock the CPU really well with the stock BIOS on the current generation Clevo machines. Clevo improved that quite a bit.

 

I don't know if that applies to the P750DM2 and P775DM3 models... by design they've got some current limit throttle and such, from what I remember. P870DMx only did simultaneous overclocking success due to a bugged EC version, prior to the Prema mod.

 

Probably not the correct forum but I don't know where else to go with this. I installed the Prema Bios and the i7 7700k today and my computer isn't recognizing my video card. (single GTX 1070) Not in the device manager, no where. Is there something in the Bios I should check or could I have messed up with the processor? Computer recognizes the different processor and the Bios does also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

NVIDIA hasn't updated their driver to support KabyLake, you need to use Clevo beta driver or mod the .inf manually until they come around.

 

You can also grab a modified INF from laptopvideo2go if you get too confused doing it yourself.

 

I'm not trying to be a bonehead but how do I get the Clevo Beta driver and I have no clue what mod the .inf manually means. Thanks @Prema

 

Here use this .inf mod with 376.60 x64!
(Copy into the C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\376.60\Win10_64\International/Display.Driver folder and boot with driver signature enforcement disabled)

 

www.laptopvideo2go.com

Download a recent set, replace the INF in the driver with the one on the website. Do an advanced restart (hold shift when selecting restart in the start menu) and disable driver signing enforcement.

Then run the setup.

 

Thanks meaker@Sager and @Prema you guys are the best! I'll give it a shot.

 

Do note, on Windows 10 this requires Secure Boot disabled entirely. If secure boot is on, DSE cannot be disabled.

Aren't you glad we have Prema mods?

 

I'm doing something stupid. I can't get it to work.

 

Post deleted. Wrong thread

 

Brother @Jon Webb - use a @j95 desktop driver mod. I've been using them for a long time and they're the best. They will also eliminate the need to do any further tweaking. Just be sure to download the desktop driver and modded INF files and follow his instructions about deleting all but 5 folders, disable DSE, etc. If you don't want the version linked, there are many versions in the thread, just go back page-by-page until you find the version you are looking for. I personally like 375.70 drivers.

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...ort-modded-inf/&do=findComment&comment=154514

Once you get that sorted, try this...

 

Did you disable driver signature enforcement ?

 

Prema, Thanks for all your help. I can't seem to get it working. Will Eurocom have the correct drivers

 

Thanks @Mr. Fox I really appreciate it.

 

Again.... Did you disable driver signature enforcement?
You can install it other wise.

 

I did disable it. I'm definitely a newbie. NEVER played a video game. This is all pretty new. But did my first repaste with Liquid Ultra today. It went well.

 

Gotcha.
So even after install the modded driver, the GPU doesn't get recognized in the device manager ?