Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

Really? You wanna keep this going?

How about you load up your GPU to 99% for 30 minutes or more, and post your temps on that load?

You might as well post the Fn+1 fan noise audio during the last of the test so we can all have a good laugh.

Don't forget to disable G-sync / Global V-sync

 

What would be the best bench to have full load on CPU and both GPUs (SLI) for a really long duration and in the end comes up with a number that we can use?
Something that would reflect RL rendering/encoding sessions.

@Mr. Fox @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER @Meaker@Sager

 

That's a good question. I use batch jobs for CUDA for my testing, loads 2 GPU's and 1 CPU to near 100% for days or weeks at a time, but I can't share those.

FAH, Folding @ Home is a pretty steady mix of similar jobs, and it can be configured to fully load all the compute elements in a computer, and you can then run hwinfo64 with a log to watch all values every 2-5 seconds to have a good stream of test data.

FAH loads multiple GPU's and the CPU to 99%, and comes up with good steady high utilization on GPU's and CPU, pretty consistently over years of tests.

There are BIONC projects that are pretty consistent, but it changes over time, and sometimes you can get new jobs when you want to test, so you have to be prepared by subscribing to a few CUDA / CPU compute Projects.

Don't some of the the paid versions of some Futuremark tests loop?

 

We need constants to be able to compare results/efficiency...

 

Yeah, 99% utilization on 1 job run is often less/more thermally challenging than the same utilization on another job run.

FAH is pretty consistent, but they have added various projects, so we'd need to get some recent runs of each to validate that they are consistent.

I often see posts from people that have been gaming at 60hz G-sync and have been happy with their temps, only to find that running benchmarks for numbers without G-sync/V-sync their temps go through the roof - and throttle.

 

Your situation sounds exactly like why I cannot order a laptop from outside of EU countries...

 

Both the seller and me are in the European Union.

 

@hmscott
It's not a secret amongst these threads. A single 1080 with a vapor chamber runs stupid cool. What's funny is you don't want to believe it

Vantage was is pretty good like that. I don't know what it's like now. No one likes to use it much anymore...

 

It's not that I don't want to believe "it", the example you used of that particular game in the short run + low utilization loading wasn't indicative of the usage I will subject the laptop to.

The resulting noise reading without sound, and the blaring gaming audio, wasn't indicative of the usage I would have either.

It's the characterization that it was "hammering" the CPU / GPU that I was at odds with.

Again, if that's your use case that hammers the CPU/GPU, and you like the results, then far be it from me to tell you you don't like it

It's just not the way I would use it, and not the results I would get.

Also you have 1 GPU, I'd have 2, so the htwingnut video was closer to what I could expect.

Truce? Happy happy, Joy Joy?

 

I linked you through video because you were trying to tell me how loud all the Clevo 870 is under gaming - I just haven't found that to be factually true. Let's leave it there.

Project Cars is brutal on CPU's. More so than any other game I play. Try it when you think you're CPU OC is stable and temps under control

 

Sorry to hear that man....

 

Did you read the rest in the link?

"I have undervolted both CPU and GPU and would recommend it since it does seem to reduce temperature and give better performance (less throttling). I've also turned off CPU turbo since it produces a lot of heat without necessarily improving game performance"

Yeah, people know exactly what they buy and need to take the correct step to make the Jokebook work!!

 

Unfortunately I did read the rest. What a shame to have to do that.

On a happier note I just put CLU on the GPU.. I can't help myself with this stuff. I'd spread it on toast and eat it if I could. Turns out I won the copper lottery on the GPU side of things.

 

Real bench and Cinebench.

Realbench does Handbrake and GPU rendering at the same time, perfect for under load testing. And Cinebench for back to back CPU based rendering.

IF you want i can cook you up a Vray/Mental Ray test scene for Maya/3DSMax, that can push the processor hard.

 

Edit: nope, can't find a way to give a number for both CPU and GPU with my method. Sorry D=

 

Are there any MSI benchmarks posted? Not by reviewers, but by us as a community?

 

I saw one addressed at you today, but he didn't do the @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER for good reason I guess as it usually doesn't last long that way:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.794968/page-250#post-10439082

 

wait till I get my lappy

 

Interesting indeed!

Yep, that's exactly what I'm waiting on.

 

When CPU-Z Validator says "Unchecked" what does that mean exactly? Is there something else I need to do to get them validated?

 

Yes, You need to submit it correctly instead of trying to do oc mode.

 

I re-built the machine and got it working it seems. Might have been the SLI cable being out slightly. Will do some testing

 

eh?

 

Temps we're good but SLI scaling never worked. I went back to my backup and things were still not great so I took apart everything under the main hatch and rebuilt it.

Looks like that solved it.

 

@Mr. Fox

I just saw the specs of the Tornado F5, what makes you so excited about this??

1) It's a smaller 15 inch laptop, our motto was always, the bigger the better, heck the downgrade from 18.4 Alienware 18 was hard going to 17.3 and now even smaller at 15 inches? I don't know about you but 17 inch is the minimum I can use and I have good eye sight

2) What makes it so special vs our P870DM3? it's LGA components I know, and then? the only thing which would've made it more appealing is if it had those high end 6 core or 8 core CPUs

 

@ Phoenix about the undervolt, I've checked the CCC and there is an option to reduce the cache.

 

that's not undervolting the cache, that's simply reducing the cache ratio / ie. the Cache's speed

First, just undervolt the CPU by -150mV then save and exit

Next, run AIDA64 Extreme Benchmark, right click on the icon in the taskbar, then choose system stability test

Have HWiNFO (Sensors only) running on the side, then post an image of the temps after you have run the stress test for 4 mins

 

There is no laptop anywhere that is as good as the P870DM3. Alienkiller II is not going anywhere. I'm keeping it. But, if you looked at the most important specs, it's more powerful than the MSI that you ordered. 7700K, GT 1080 and 64GB of DDR4-3200 is what is headed my way.

Since when does having a large screen make a laptop powerful? The CPU is a K-series desktop processor, not castrated BGA garbage, and the GPU is MXM. I suspect I will find it to be a better product than the single GPU 17-inch Clevos. Having a big laptop means nothing if it is castrated with BGA like most of them have been. That CPU alone is reason enough to be excited about it. But, it does not have an unified heat sink and the GPU being MXM are additional reasons to be excited. It also has a SteelSeries keyboard (I know you would like that part).

I already have a 15-inch Clevo (see signature) and it totally annihilates all comparable generation single 980M GPU laptops with BGA CPUs. None of them can hold a candle to it; even those with 17-inch screens.

Don't get me wrong. I do like big screens, but a 15-inch that is more powerful is more desirable than a less powerful 17-inch. When you have a machine sitting in your lap about 16 to 18 inches from your face, there is not much difference between 15 and 17 screen size. If screen size was the most important thing, then the 21-inch piece of garbage from Acer would have everything else beat. But, I wouldn't touch that pile of trash with a 10-foot pole in spite of the big screen and fancy keyboard.

 

I understand that but what I don't understand is why are you getting this when you have a P870DM3 that can take a 7700K CPU, has dual 1080s in SLI?

what makes it exciting to you over what you currently have?

 

It's just a review unit...It's not like he's spending money on it.

 

Nothing, other than it's the best 15-inch single GPU machine in the world. Should be a nice replacement for the P750ZM. Like I said, my P870DM3 isn't going anywhere. I am not selling it because it's too awesome for words.

The Tornado F5 is the best sub-17" laptop available. It destroys anything and everything with a BGA CPU and it has no competition except for the 15-inch Clevos with 6700K and 7700K that have keyboards that you don't like and thermal management problems.

Everyone that owns one loves it. Have you seen the benchmarks by @Rage Set yet? Pretty sweet. It doesn't need to have a 17-inch screen to kick some serious butt.

 

Seems like a pretty amazing product to me. If it is as good as I expect it to be, I might end up with one. Review will follow soon.

 

Personally I never had an interest in anything 15"...
For me 17" works best while being on base and some small powerhouse to carry around the globe while traveling. Would like to see an LGA 1060 combo at 13"...

 

@Phoenix - think of it as the sawed-off shotgun or Uzi hiding in an under-arm holster in your jacket.

@Prema - 15-inch is as small as I would ever consider going. 17-inch is nice and 18-inch is best. I have a 13-inch Lenovo turdbook (my employer provides) and I would never entertain the idea of buying anything that small. The screen is so small it is absolutely a miserable nightmare to use. Might as well be a tablet or smartphone.

El Cazador doesn't seem small when you're using it up close and personal (in your lap). I had a hard time getting comfortable with it because of the 15-inch screen, but I finally adjusted. The screen is definitely too small to be ideal using it on a desk with outstretched arms while sitting in an office chair. It is the perfect size to throw into the same bag as my employer's Lenovo and go on a short trip without having to sacrifice anything in terms of performance. I really like that part of it. Totally destroys any BGA filthbook of any size that could be used in the same manner.

 

13 inch machines have their place, great typing machines usually on the move.

 

so you think the cooling on that Tornado would be better than the P870DM3?

 

Maybe for some folks, but they have no place in my life. I'm on my third one over the past 10 years (all provided by my employer) and I absolutely despise all of them. They are horrible to use, even though I was traveling extensively (about 70%) over most of that 10 years... truly horrendous products with such a small screen. And, don't even get me started on what an anemic piece of trash they are. The small screen alone totally ruins any possibility of having a pleasant experience of using it. But, that's just my opinion. I know some people don't mind it.

 

No, of course not. It's in no way intended to be a substitute or replacement for a P870DM3. That machine is in a class all by itself, and destroys everything else available anywhere.

 

I wish the Tornado F5 was a bit more open on the I/O side of things. It only has one SATA slot (limiting it to 3 drives, and M.2 drives are rather expensive when you want MLC) and 3 USB ports.

The cooling system is better designed than the P750DM2; no unified heatsink design and better fit out of the box though. But I wonder how the two would go head to head with all the aftermarket cooling techniques applied (thermal pad replacement, delids, liquid metal between heatsink and components for CPU & GPU) etc on the DM2? The 16L13 shouldn't benefit too much from the pads and such which are more to improve the fit on the P7 and P8 models, I think.

 

I suppose when mine was hooked up to a titan-x I got a little more out of it lol.

 

I love my W230 13"!
Just a single piece of hand luggage with everything in it.
Fits the in-flight tables, plugs right into any hotel room HDMI and still runs any game I throw at it. Well my 860M vBIOS is customized to that specific card and auto-beats the s... out of any 960M without having to touch a single button.

The WQHD let's me get stuff done anywhere in the world.
And it's out of the way size is simply not demanding to become the center of a holiday.

Was very disappointed in Clevo for not producing another little beast in recent times...1050 TI doesn't cut it to get that warm feeling of an upgrade.

 

Well, I guess I am just a stinker then. I really don't like small laptops at all, LOL. 15-inch is as small as I can handle without getting angry about having to use it. And, even that's borderline too small. It took me about 90 days of using it every day to get to the point I was really OK with the size of the screen on the P750ZM. But, I was able to adjust to it and learned not to hate it. At least it is 1080p. I never would have even considered trying it had it been any less than 1080p. But, it has been almost 10 years of a minimum of 40, often 60, hours every week with the smaller screens and I've never adjusted or developed any level of appreciation for them. I do everything within my power to avoid using the screen on my work Lenovo... I will use it only as a last resort. Now, I do drag my instant messaging client and chat windows onto it and drag Windows Media Player over to it. (I don't listen to music at work, but I have learned that endlessly looping an audio file with WMP opened and volume muted will prevent my work computer from logging out of VPN and prevents any password timeouts for days on end, LOL.) It's a nice place to put the nuisance stuff that clutters my real workspace during the day. It's not large enough to be useful for any kind of real work. Granted, I do work with Excel and Word and Outlook almost all day every day, and that probably has an awful lot to do with why I find small laptops so miserable.

 

I also have a 13" laptop (Macbook Air) LOL, if only my P870DM3 had four+ hours battery life, maybe I'd keep it in my backpack instead of the MBA.

 

Is there any way to make the LED lights on the LCD Cover White? Like when the prema Bios was being flashed?

 

Windows 7 running on my P750DM2 in UEFI mode thanks to @Prema

 

Details please, Thanks!

 

"MSI stated they have tested several hundred different Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake processors and haven’t had any issues with any of them"



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ms...ame-boost-knob-ocing-with-liquid-cooling.html

Edit: An additional topic.... This is so wrong

Spoiler: Why so negative? INFO IS KING!! Go on the person is wrong. BGA is a touchy topic!! However a very IMPORTANT topic!!.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...16-owners-lounge.797308/page-77#post-10441651

 

I was having a little issue with the newest NVidia drivers and CPU-Z. Was having to reinstall CPU-Z many times and each time I reinstalled it would recognize my graphics card and let me validate but the next time I opened up CPU-Z it would not recognize my graphics card and I could not validate. Gave up after a while, lol. Looks like XMP1 settings are working great and I have lots of new settings to play with now, thanks to @Prema !!

 

LUL MSI. Idiots.

Anyway... the point I often try to make to you all papusan is that to random people out there, just saying "BGA turdbook" and "BGA slaughtering killer" etc just looks... annoying, or confusing, or both. You gotta change your approach with these people. It's a big difference to work in asking them why they're paying $4000+ for a machine with noted sub-par performance that'll be void of warranty by so much as changing thermal paste to attempt fixing thermals, and if anything happens to it out of warranty it's basically a paperweight, than to be more like "tell me about your BGA turdbook performance" as a conversation opener.

Note that I didn't actually read back more than one page in that conversation; I'm simply making a broad statement. I don't attack someone who already owns a notebook simply because they own it. It gets you a lot farther than you'd think. If someone is preparing to buy though, I'm going to be impartial and lay out the facts; perhaps somewhat aggressively.