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Exactly the same adapters ma man.

 

I think you'll get what you want for it bu the end of bidding.

Sad to see you leave the Clevo side. Or are you going to surprise us with a KM1

Maybe I'm tripping. But I thought the adapters are the same but the wire to the laptop itself is a bit thicker.

 

Clevo......never again! no dealing with a company that cannot offer a proper drivers download page and their crappy keyboards.

 

I really hope for LGA 73/83VR model

But as a hybrid "turdbook" they're probably the best performing out of the box, and tuned (neck to neck with AW).

 

There's a LGA 17" coming out according to Eurocom. I think it might be based off of the GT73VR, if so then it'll be a nice one.

 

I was doing a lot of research about the AW 17 R4 but then I went with MSI as it has better cooling and more SSD posts, the AW only has 2 m.2 and 1 2.5" slot

 

crossing my fingers on this one

 

aw17r4 is 2x nvme m.2 / 1x small m.2 sata / 1x 2.5mm sata

this also on the aw15r3

 

Same PSU, for sure.

I think that might actually invalidate the P775DM3 if it does. I'd love to review it if it does as well xD

 

Let us know of the build quality of the GT73VR compared to the P870DM3. Whoops thought you were @Phoenix LOL

 

LOL.

Maybe the GT73VR whitebook I might review if it shows up. On the plus side, if I do get to review it, it'll be selling after, with the standard liquid metal application that I would be using

 

are you sure, I don't see that here:

http://www.hidevolution.com/alienware-17-r4-gtx-1080-custom-built-to-order.html

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...5r3-disassembly-repaste-guide-results.797373/

 

so what is your opinion on AW17 R4 vs MSI GT73VR?

most important is the keyboard/cooling

although I still think the screen on the MSI is superior. not a big fan of the 3K QHD screen on the AW17, that's the same one I have on my current P870DM3. I don't have the banding issues but the colors are not great

 

One chassis is designed to just about cope with two cards and then is adapted all that cooling to one where the other is single card only.

 

GT73VR trumps AW17 R4 easily. Especially with a Svet mod. The AW17 R4 needs a lot of work, including as far as I know bending of the heatsink, to get proper contact on both CPU & GPU, and you need to use an older/unstable BIOS to get performance out of it (the newer ones are throttle-prone to hell).

There's no real contest, the GT73VR is cream of the crop for mobile CPU laptops. I dislike the cooling design (the fans blow both out the back AND the sides, and will easily heat up your mouse cord or mouse hand depending on how you use the machine), but at least it keeps the thing cool enough. I'd of course liquid metal things up for optimum ownage.

 

You kiddos and your BGA crap talk crack me up. The presence of a BGA filth CPU and/or GPU totally invalidates anything and everything else a machine brings to the table. All of it instantly "doesn't matter" as soon as you factor in BGA feces. There's no way in hell I am ever going to allow that ungodly filth in my life if the machine costs more than $500 retail. The sacrifice in performance and serviceability is completely unforgivable. Drinking the digital estrogen Kool-Aid just adds to the problem, so we can "thank" all of the traitors if Clevo wusses out on us and stops selling beast laptops for men. They can shove the better keyboard where the sun don't shine if it means having to compromise on the guts and growing a pair of man-boobs.

 

So... what would you do if an 18" GT83VR whitebook with LGA1151 comes out, in the vein of the 16L13?

P870DM3 or MSI?

 

Probably switch to MSI, as long as the power-delivery system, cooling and firmware are not castrated. But, I'm never going to go for the emasculated man-boob BGA trash. Like I have always said... brand doesn't matter. I have zero brand loyalty. I want what I want and whoever offers me what I want will get my money. If they don't, then they won't get a dime. The name on the invoice, lid and the stickers is totally irrelevant. For now, Clevo wins by default in the 17+ form factor because all of their competition have forfeited by no-show.

Edit: Truth be told, I probably won't do anything. I almost went back to desktops this go round. The P870DM3 is probably going to be my last legitimate beast laptop. Next time around I suspect I will go back to desktop like I had planned to this time. The Tornado F5 will be fine and dandy for portability. At 15-inches, that is small enough to exceed my expectation in terms of being "portable" and it doesn't cut any corners on performance.

 

I'd like to see a vapor chamber 15" with 1080 and 7700K myself. I do have some affection for that size class.

 

Ahh @Prema bios out for P750DM2. Should have bought the system from a Prema partner... But at the same time I want to support the few enthusiast notebook sellers in Sweden; pc-konsulten.se

 

Give them feedback that they should become a Prema partner =D

 

I still can't do the 15", but understand (hence my desktop build). But, having a choice between Clevo and MSI on a 17" would be nice.

I see one exception you may make: a panther replacement. But that is in its own class...

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I agree with @Mr. Fox. I bought a Eurocom Sky X9E2 with a 1070, 7700k and 32GB Hyper X ram. This is my first real laptop. I'm not a gamer. I run a Design/Build Remodeling firm. I used to have to take measurements and bring them home to load into the desk top. Customers would ask, why not get a laptop? I tried a Dell workstation and it couldn't handle the architectural software (rendering, raytrace, etc.)and the estimating software running at the same time. I don't have that problem anymore and hope I never do. Long live the DTR.

 

Maybe so, but I'm starting to think more in terms of moving away from notebooks, just as you did. Money goes further and you're not as reliant on an OEM, hoping and praying that they choose to do the right thing when new hardware is released. The cat and mouse nonsense with firmware crippling and power throttling on laptops, along with the prevalence of BGA filth and dwindling of products worthy of being purchased... those are just all starting to grate on me to the point where I don't give a rat's ass about the plethora of sucky OEMs that sell nothing but overpriced crippled trashbooks. Even Clevo is making it harder and harder for us to fix their broken stuff.

Now that I don't travel much for work, I don't need a portable monster. My home office (where I work all day, every day) has dual French doors that open to the living room, so I don't have to isolate myself to use a desktop (which would suck). My home office where I used to live was upstairs and totally isolated from the rest of everything going on at home.

Don't get me wrong... love my P870DM3 and I'm expecting to love the Tornado F5 as well. But... all the above.

 

I'll always be of the opinion that everything has its place, and I don't feel so aggressively that $500 is the limit for something soldered to the board, but I'll never change my mind that if you want real power then the desktop parts are the way to go. If we had mobile CPUs that were as good as the desktop ones, and machines using them could actually handle serious heat and load passed through them (like the GT73VR does as far as I know), then it might be a different story in what I say.

But as long as function is inferior and price isn't far below, there is no contest.

If I make it to next CES I'm most definitely going to drill them so hard. And if I have to use my P870DM3 (pending) to do it, I will. "So why is binning so bad?" "So why do you call this the best notebook? I've got a year old laptop, I'm sure I could do better?" "When are we going to get socketed mobile CPUs again?" "Why do the x9x0HQ models cost nearly twice as much as a mainstream desktop unlocked chip if they only have downsides?"

I swear, I'll be thrown out. But I'll try to be really really nice so I don't get thrown out... quickly.

 

If the 17" "16L13" version does come out and is based off of the GT73VR but with of course LGA 1151 CPUs then we will have some interesting competition.

 

One thing I still doubt is the GPU cooling on SLi config, the heatsink array dedicated to each GPU core is only 1, not like the Clevo model with the VC to spread out the heat or the GT83VR with dual heatsink array per GPU core.

Although the single version would also interest me a lot.

The keyboard on this current 17R4 that I am using is probably one of the best. Zero flex and overall a very nice typing experience.

However @iunlock have tested both the 73VR and Alienware keyboards, you should ask him for the comparison.

What I don't understand is why MSi dedicate a single heatsink fin array to the master card VRM, this seems really overkill and could be utilized better for other components. Other than that oddity, I think you're getting one of the best performing heatsink setup for a single card machine.

 

Who knows? MSI never makes sense to me.

 

You need to slow down before a nerve blows or something.

Take it easy...

 

Once the door shuts, it's not opening again. Designs, System noise and Build quality aside - BGA is not your friend, my friend. It's not here to empower the consumer.

One would think bucking this disposal consolized laptop culture would be something we could all agree needs to happen. I want desktop treatment and respect from vendors.

I understand MXM modules are insanely expensive. However, if everyone had to make them competition and ubiquity of modules would also bring the price to reasonable levels. Wouldn't that be nice?
Had we already put up more of an united front and said a very loud 'NO' to disposable hardware (like desktop people do) we'd have no doubt seen many more creative socketed designs from other vendors. They know they can get away with it. The 'must have' ageless unicorn laptop that keeps on giving (think of a modern 2017 m15x) is likely never going to see the light of day.

There's no good reason we can't have $400 - $600 priced MXM modules in upgradable machines with socketed hardware, other than we keep saying 'it's ok I usually buy a new laptop after 2 years anyway - so have it your way'.

There's only 2-3 purist laptops left.

 

Yikes. That was fire...

Time to grab a glass of wine, turn on some classical music and enjoy tuning the hybrid half trash gt73vr that's already beat a full socketed dtr's graphics score, but I guess this would be full trash since it has a bga cpu?

See how silly the underlined part just sounded? Where's the love for the sport?

I wasn't kidding about that rolling suit case custom desktop build with chrome wheels, LED's, and stickers to give it more FPS once people realize that they're not in any of a better position with an aging laptop that is just as stuck in upgradability as those bga's.

@Phoenix, as for the keyboards between the two, it's a tough call...two completely different styles that are IMO the best in their own class of styles. As for the keyboards on the Clevo's I did see your comment on that and yes I do agree, they are the worst keyboards and track pads in existence. Many people will say the same, even those who won't admit it. I've commented on this before comparing the clevo keyboards and track pad to a $100 wally world chrome book.

Anyway, to keep things relative I'm toying with the idea of getting the P775DM3 with a 7700K and having some fun. Hmmm....

 

What also doesn't make sense is why they didn't just put in a full lga cpu. This is not to say that the unlocked 6820HK is bad (holding 44x stable and tuning for 46x), but if this had a 6700K, it'd wipe out everything in it's class and then some. The cooling system is excellent and much better than my previous P775DM3. A 7700K Kaby + the GTX 1080 in this machine with its cooling would take care of some serious business (overall score wise.) In the graphics department, it already has mounted its flag.

Hey if you go let me know. Maybe we can meet up and I'll knock some sense into them with you, although they might be just as clueless like a bag of rocks...who knows, but it'd be fun.

 

Ideally this is how I would like it to be.

 

Changing a board from mobile BGA to desktop LGA is not a drop-in and requires a total chipset, board, power etc redesign...
It would be an entirely different system than it's BGA counterpart...

 

Hey, @Mr. Fox I've seen your vdeo on customizing windows, that should be visible in more threads - it's really handy!!!

 

Yeah, I saw the internals of the GT62 and 16L13.


Have you had any chance to look at the MSi model?

 

Have been involved in the (special 1080 version) LGA model R&D during development phase, but never got to touch one physically.
(But wasn't involved in any of the regular GT models whatsoever)

 

Since you guys like LGA so much...

Clevo has released a P650-esque model with an LGA socket (but non-MXM GPU), the W65xKx1 series.

Very decent specs; the KK series has a GTX 1050 Ti, up to 4x M.2 slots, an ordinary SATA slot, and a 62 Whr battery. Weight and dimensions are quite good, too, for an LGA device. However, unlocked CPUs aren't in the spec list.

What do you guys think?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-981#post-10442163

Sure, we can do that. Getting thrown out together because we annoy the engineers and devs by calling out crap (nicely) will be fun with more people!

 

Interesting...

 

So, just for my own curiosity, did you say that while swirling a half-glass of whine going "hmm... interesting..." nodding your head slowly? Because I kind of imagine you doing that, just waiting to run the benchmark

 

I think my CPU temps were fine with a single GPU and the liquid metal but not so healthy with dual GPUs so I think I'll go back to paste on the CPU and stick with LM on the GPUs.

 

Boring...

 

Nah...I don't drink.

You know me. First thing I do is check the bot to see who is on top.

Edit: Just ran this right now.
GPU [email protected] stock Timespy
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/575694/spy/1077843/spy/562109/spy/562139/spy/1108163

 

Smart decision. I seriously feel it is one of the most overrated things I have ever come across. More than Razer's products, and they literally have a cult

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Ah very nice...that shall be interesting...Yea it very well could invalidate the 775 as the MSI has a much better cooling system.

Yes it'll be fun to bash them donkeys.

Nono that was me haha. It was a joke in that..sheesshh..too much fire going on with all this bashing.

Hey Meaker....ah very nice....when I saw your post it caught my eye, because you don't hear that everyday as it's usually the other way around. Keep us posted! Very interested to see...

Hey John...long time. Remember that one chip (6820HK) that had a bit of head room left? I think I've got another one.

If it wasn't for the CPU, the overall scores would be better. This is why I'm very curious about the new socketed msi, as it could do some serious damage as the GPU score on this hybrid is impressive for running in just on the desk. Going to really bench and take it to the track likely tonight.

Mmmm...I don't consider a glass of wine as "drinking," or even close to being in the group of the negative sigma. Just sayin'.... But yes, uncontrolled idiotic drinking is a different thing, which I don't agree with, but to each his own... who are we to judge? Mathew 7:3-5 ...

 

@iunlock
Yep, I remember.

I really need to get back to the asus one of these days.

Is that a bga gpu?

 

Don't you dare **** talk my keyboard ...

 

*jedi keyboard trick* buy logitech G910....

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