Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

In some ways yes

 

So how did you get your 7700K well-cooled and running? I just noticed it in your signature =D

 

Shhh.. he doesn't like to divulge his secrets.

 

Delid, voltage tuned, heatsinks adjusted (nothing new from before)

 

tbh. though, the whole 7700k running hot in laptops has been exaggerated way too much. Obviously because every other chip uses its own desired amount of preset voltage. The 3 that i played with, all undervolted really well.

 

Still tuning it to be fair, it does get hot but it's a nice bump over the 6700K.

My GPUs are pretty cool with liquid metal

 

@Meaker@Sager Can you boot to windows at 5.0 ghz?

 

Yes, but it's too hot to get any useful work out of.

 

Did you use a shim for the CPU or just thermal pad adjustments to the heatsink? Just curious, since you have access to the varying kinds of heatsinks.

 

What's needed to install a 7700K ?

I'm selling my 6700K locally and trying to get my paws on a 7700K on the hope that it's cooler at the same speed

 

@Prema

(that's it, I'm not tagging him to ask a question. You need Prema)

 

Well, trying to redline the engine 24/7 kind of does that.

 

Indeed.

 

Especially with no cooling assistance, I am more of the 24/7 man really with tweaking 2000mhz core clocks all day long gaming please

 

What game needs to be played with an overclock? Key word. Needs.

 

But but but.. MORE POWAAAHHH!

 

Yes.... I know....

 

Arma 3? GTA V? Gotta get as close to dat 120fps as possibleee~

 

GTA 5 is up and down. As low as 60 and as high as 180. That I do know from playing recently. Still does not need and overclock to play.

 

If you mean requires overclocking to "run", then no game does.

 

Not sure about where 'require' came in at?
Prior post....

Especially with no cooling assistance, I am more of the 24/7 man really with tweaking 2000mhz core clocks all day long gaming please

What game needs to be played with an overclock? Key word. Needs.

 

What is the latest stable Nvidia Driver that you guys are using? I remember that 373.06 was the last one spoken about as really good for benching . Any newer one that brings better results to the table?

 

Ah I didn't see the previous post, sorry. I was talking about CPU overclocks entirely, not GPU ones xD

 

No worries.
With how the hardware is nowadays...Over clocking for gaming is really a personal thing. And not a need. Even under extreme conditions you only gain 3 maybe 5 frames if you are really lucky in other cases 1 to 2. (Not talking about lower graphics intensified games) All this to say, for what? No one gaming online cares if you are overclocked to 10 ghz if you can't play and your kd is .20. And your internet is dial up

 

yup xD. I do prefer to keep 120fps flat for my own sake though, but this is why I pine for the 120Hz panels. I do want a higher-than-stock daily CPU driver, but my GPUs won't need OCing at all. Maybe in a few years. I've found that after a couple years OCing my 780Ms helped me a bit in some titles to maintain an even 60 fps.

 

You could have dial back the quality a tiny bit and gain more that way then upping the power usage. Just because they "say" it makes a game look better is really in the "eye of the beholder" I have seen lots of games that everyone says looks great. I go test it out and that is just not true Or my definition of great is entirely different from theirs. Do they look pretty good? Sure, but great is really pushing it.

 

GTAV, Deus Ex, The Witcher etc.

1440p as close to 144fps as possible at all times

 

Well it was actually sometimes a plain situation of a game not liking mGPU and having bad times with one card. I couldn't get Dark Souls 3 to 60fps flat on a single 780M no matter what I did. OCing it was too hot though, so I just left it alone. But adjusting the graphics settings didn't do much.

Betrayer was another game. I couldn't get 60fps so I forced mGPU and overclocked. Scaling was good, but utilization was bad; I couldn't get each card over 60% util. So I overclocked them to 1006/6000 and 60% of that was enough for a flat 60 as opposed to 60% of 850/5000. The cards didn't even hit 70c even with the overclock due to the low usage. Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes was another similar situation. I couldn't get util above 70%, so I overclocked, and 70% of the overclocked cards was enough for a flat 60.

The temperatures in my room never allowed for an overclock being 24/7 in the daytime, though I sometimes did it at night for higher frames. I almost never kept my machine overclocked for gaming. I used to keep my original CPU overclocked to 3.8 without fault, but the second CPU got way too hot for it to make sense. Plus the RAM upgrade I got last year actually improved things further than overclocking my CPU ever did.

I don't care about cranking every single setting to the max, though. I often turned down settings in Battlefield 4 for example because it made it too difficult to see through grenades and explosions. I tend to go for the best looking balance I could find. In GTA V as one example I preferred "softer" shadows over soft, softest and PCSS. I also kept MSAA off and most settings reduced so I could have a nice visual balance with acceptable frames. Of course, I probably won't need to do that soon haha.

 

RotTR maxed out hovers around 55-70fps at 4K. A 10% OC would push that over 60.

 

Dropping a setting would do everything you try to gain overclocking.


I'm all for over clocking that is for sure, but some thing's take a simple settings change and it does wonders without quality loss. Just my opinion on it.

 

Basically it depends on your setup and the experience you want.

Turning down the settings would kind of defeat the point of dropping the cash on a pair of 1080s.

 

No actually it wouldn't. Not all settings make a game great. That is an opinion not a fact.

Example 8K. All the over clocking in the world is not going to help run it from a laptop maxed out.

 

In the case of Dark Souls 3, I did set it to minimum graphics. I didn't even run it at 1080p. It simply wasn't enough to get 60fps on a single card for me.

I actually rarely run games properly maxed out. I usually lower settings of some kind to tune it. I hate Motion Blur and Chromatic Abberation and most Depth of Fields, for example.

 

However I like to play at 1440p as fast as possible, I don't set ridiculous settings but I don't want to compromise textures and the like because that impacts the experience for me.

The extreme version at the other end of your argument is why not just grab a 940mx and play all games at 480p?

 

Motion blur takes a serious hit, that is for sure. But how about When AMD would run AA and fps doubled while Nvidia would be cut directly in half? Remember them days.

But as the newer games come out, they are making them more for single gpu setups...Which is funny. Because then they use the same line to say your setup isn't powerful enough to run it? Now that is a head scratcher. Then up the resolution. and say we don't support sli or crossfire.....

That's why they have Xbox and playstation.
And this over hyping these games is crazy, that's why i asked about it. Are they fun to play, sure, but lets keep it in perspective.

 

I actually don't remember those days, I got started late! I didn't start digging heavily into tech very much until I'd say 2011, after 580Ms were out. On the other hand I think I did lots in a short space of time

Yeah, this is the thing that confuses the living daylights out of me too. "So basically nobody can run these games really well, especially at 4K which we're pushing the game has support for, but we're too lazy to include mGPU. Err... go figure?" - Developers.

 

They make it hard to run 4k. I had 4 1080's and could not run 4k the way it was meant to be ran without hacking everything to get it to work right. although, that was before they came with the "hack" fix. I ditched the cards by then and just left the XP's alone.

@Meaker@Sager I totally get what you're saying about textures, but I have yet to see a game where the ground actually looks like real ground and not a flat mat with pictures embedded into it with particles swirling across it trying to pass as everyday objects we see in real life. We haven't come that far yet.

 

I actually wish we could get a superclocked LED bridge getting probably the same bandwidth as the HB bridge, with PCI/e 4.0 x16/x16/x16 in Kaby Lake-E orsomething, running tri-SLI with full GP100s (yeah, 100s, not 102s).

Now *THAT* would be a machine I could game at 4K on. But even then it'd be 4K 144Hz hehehe. I'll never give up that 120Hz life.

 

You could run 4k with dual flex bridges/3 way bridge/4 way bridge. And get the same bandwidth as the HB bridge. Up to at least 4k. That we proved already. That was like the first thing I did when I got those cards was to run my 3 way bridge on them when I had just sli. If you ran 1 flex cable you lost out. You needed to run two flex cables. A lot of hype there until it was tested and found that one could get basically the same scores with dual flex cables. up to 4k at least. I didn't have 5k so I could not test it.

 

I don't know about any three-way bridges... I looked them up and they seem to use all 6 connectors, is it clocked like the LED bridge is? The reason I want higher clocks is just to give the GPUs as much bandwidth inbetween them as possible for the smoothest outcome with the best scaling. That's also why I said PCI/e 4.0 x16/x16/x16. The more bandwidth you have the better SLI treats tech that requires previous-frame frame-buffer-data. For "incompatible engines" like Unreal Engine 4, that's a godsend.

I really dislike the HB bridge design. I wish they had created a single-width use like normal, but with much improved bandwidth. They then proceeded to waste all the bandwidth in providing better frame pacing, so scaling between them should be about the same unless you're running a game at a resolution where a flex bridge fails.

 

Processor overclocking should perhaps been reserved for these low powered fully locked i7-6700 / 7700hq BGA?

Use Google translate https://www.tek.no/artikler/test-nvidias-sli-broer/367967

 

I personally tested so i'm going with that.

 

Anyway... Intended as info for all. No one is forced to read

 

Sure, I get that. And info is always welcomed, but when you test it yourself you kind of already know what is expected. Back then there was a lot of hype about how much more the HB bridges would bring to the table. And back then it was a fail. Personal experience only.

@Papusan You already know we don't just drink the kool aid and sing kumbaya without investigating it in real time.

 

No, but just because we have not got there yet does not mean we can't do the best we can for now

 

Nice that Amd finally push a bit on Intel

Core i7-7740K Use Google translate https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

"Core i7 7740K. It has 8 MB of L3, with a base frequency of 4.30 GHz (100 MHz more than the Core i7 7700K) at the price of a significantly higher TDP (> 100W against 91W). The Turbo frequency is not known, but should logically be 4.60 GHz"

As well read http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...ke-core-i5-7640k-and-i7-7740k-processors.html

"Intel also is trying to move coffee lake forward and introduce 6-core processors, but is not clear when coffee lake will become available"

https://www.techpowerup.com/230422/...nch-to-prompt-reshuffle-of-intels-cpu-line-up

@Prema Maybe You know more about this? What now?

PS. And BGA will continue with their own race? @Mr. Fox +++ The final nail in the coffin for BGA!!! Sing with me HALLELUJAH




This Poetry is reserved for BGA !!

All that glisters is not gold—
Often have you heard that told.
Many a man his life hath sold
But my outside to behold.
Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
Had you been as wise as bold,
Young in limbs, in judgment old,
Your answer had not been inscrolled
Fare you well. Your suit is cold—
Cold, indeed, and labor lost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_that_glitters_is_not_gold

 

Will we be able to use those? They seem to be the same socket as 7700K - 1511 ?

 

"40" is such an odd number, I feel like "90" sounds better, like "7790K" or "7690K", just like the Devil' Canyon.
Hopefully it's better binned instead of simply "factory overclocked" 100 or 200Mhz more.

 

Well, the number does sound strange!

What is it bringing to the table? More cores? I can't find enough data on it to make something out of it!

 

HaHa. Yeah, I really hope 7740 (if the chips is true) doesn't be the LGA version of the disaster like Haswell i7-4940Mx The number "40" doesn't sound good Anyway, nice if Amd finally can push Intel.