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    Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Georgel

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    That's interesting. Didn't consider that the power consumption grows with frequency, but it does make sense!
     
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    Yeah it will depend a lot on the type of loads.
     
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    A chip primarily consumes power as it switches ;)
     
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    Max: 120W here.
     
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    P∝V ²f.
     
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    Yep pretty much :) That's why the relatively small voltage changes can have a big impact in temperature.
     
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    Most make sense. See fully locked down <HIGH END> 45W BGA i7 TURD CHIPS... [email protected] GHz. What would happen with the power consumption from this masterpiece of trash from Intel, if this bill garbage could overclock to much higher clock speed than 3.1GHz on all 4 cores?
     
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    Being identical silicon to the desktop parts it would behave in a very similar fashion.
     
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    So took the heatsink off and properly cleaned off all the thermal paste and did a test fit of the heatsink without the thermal pads. This gap that you see doubles up after re applying the "reduced" thickness thermal pads -



    [​IMG]
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    Album - http://imgur.com/a/T8RUm

    And this is how a brand new heat sink came in -

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Mobius 1

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    So the entire heatsink is bent?

    Tf happened with the new one? Seems like someone took sandpaper and decided to scratch everything up...





    I got a connection to ADDA, the GFX70 "big boy" fan is coming in 6-pairs as a test run.

    G751 fan (Delta) has a shortage for the CPU-side fan. Temporary postponed.

    G750 fan (Delta) is coming in 3-pairs as a test run.

    @TBoneSan @Mr. Fox @bsch3r
     
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    Yeah that's how it came in.
    I have one more coming from RjTech next week. Gonna see how well that one fares.
    This one was the replacement from HIDEvolution.
    It's bent diagonally or something. If you see in the video, the diagonal end lifts up when I press it down.
     
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    So... screwing the thing in doesn't do much if anything?
     
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    how much it cost you from rjtech if not from their own warranty?
     
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    Not really. There is still an offset.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-1043#post-10471842

    About $325 after taxes and shipping for both the VC and a new CPU HS. Im modding the existing one ;)
    I just want to see if a different retailer has a better stock or not.
     
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    Yeah The Dual GPU Vapor Chamber and the CPU HS. (2 separate parts)
     
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    How much are the fans for a 2/2 Pair? (CPU/GPU)
     
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    This thread should be called 'the Clevo modding and overclocking lounge'.

    Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk
     
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    Now is around 40USD/pair (without shipping).

    If more people buy we can drop it to around 30.
     
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    What's a non-modded clevo?
     
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    Light JOKEBOOK? :eek: Only with socket hardware :rolleyes:
     
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    Considering 90c was normal when I turned this laptop on on the cpu...

    Sent from my OnePlus 1 using a coconut
     
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    Hey!

    I'm new around these parts, and I heard this was where the friendly overclockers brigade hung out in their holes.

    Was wondering if I could get some assistance overclocking my i7 6700k. I'm kinda new at fiddling with this new shiny Intel stuff.
     
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    ^ this is my nub
     
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    ^ this is my god
     
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    @Mr. Fox @Q937 @TBoneSan

    Pop these ****ers from the CPU heat sink screws, replace the thermal pads next to the CPU socket to 1.5mm / 0.5 mm, apply CLU/Conductonaut, throw away shim (not literally) and thank @Prema, once he wakes up :P -

    [​IMG]

    After 15 Mins of AIDA64 and 5 x 1024 runs back to back with Fans on Auto and no U3. (Using Conductonaut)

    [​IMG]

    Also brute forced the heatsink into shape, aka bent it back into shape. -

    http://imgur.com/a/yvKoW

    While at it, cleaned things up with a 1000 grit sand paper -

    http://imgur.com/a/Nhc4S

    No more crashing to black screen at stock and +175/+525 is working fine. Anything over and i need an AC or outdoors air :S
     
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  32. Prema

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    I'm glad it's working great for you as well. Did you also add the 4 extra springs to increase the heatsink pressure on the DIE-LID?

    EDIT:

    BTW, this is how I am using the alphacool M.2 heatsinks in my DM3:

    Took the two metal pieces of the M.2 cooler and twisted them around so that the alphacool logo faces to the NVMe side in order to reduce their height (They are U-shaped). Then cut and put the thermal pads in position (0.5 & 1mm to create one even surface) and instead of using the clips wrapped some aluminium tape around it to hold it all in place and add pressure.
    Perfectly flush fit now! ;)

    No more throttling on the SM961, even in 37c ambient temp:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Finally made it into the top 1000 ranking worldwide. Took a long time, but I enjoyed every benchmark along the way.

    http://hwbot.org/user/mr._fox/

    [​IMG]
     
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    Awesome stuff bro! I'll give that a try once I get some pads. Are you talking about replacing the 2 strips on the CPU heatsink?

    @Prema and thank you too!
     
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    The screws can't go deeper into the socket, due to their thickness, but removing the clips allows the heatsink to be pressed down closer to the DIE by the additional springs (added the springs from a P1xxEM heatsink before the existing ones).
    So instead of filling the gap with a shim it simply brought the heatsink closer to the CPU.
    "If the mountain won't come to the prophet, the prophet must go to the mountain"

     
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    AUTO fans? I got higher temps on auto fans at 4.4 playing runescape while watching a livestream.

    The black screen crash at stock was the bent heatsink? What about the one your machine came with?
     
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    Awesome. I thought my temps were damn good with this shim. But what Brother @bloodhawk has there is a cut above again and it's nice to get rid of the middle man (shim).
    I'm ripping those screws off and flushing them down the toilet as soon as I get those pads. Since you're awake now @Prema do you know which thermal pads Bloodhawk was refering to. Was it the 2 ones attached to the CPU heatsink? I wanna order some ASAP. I did have some but I used the on my old HS. 'Summer is coming' o_O
     
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    THX for doing your part in making Micronesia great again! :D

    [​IMG]

    Where is the rest of you lazy benchers, come and join the family team: http://hwbot.org/team/premamod/

    Yes the CPU heatsink thermal pads.
     
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    So replace the existing CPU heatsink thermal pads with 1.5mm and 0.5mm?

    My 7700K comes Tuesday. Don't want a nuclear reactor for a CPU. ;)
     
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    I havent added the extra springs yet. Ill have to dig my old messed up DM1 CPU heatsink for that and its in a box all way at the back of the garage, since the movers didnt quite listen to where i wanted the extra stuff placed. I have a feeling it will improve thing by another degree or 2 at least. Ill add those once the extra heat sinks come in later next week.

    Now instead of using a shim to make contact with the IHS, ill try and work out a way to get a stack of shims to make contact directly with the die. Time to buy some accurate rulers and calipers.

    Yeap, those are the ones. The absolute minimum you can go on the VRM/MOSFETS (whatever they are) is 0.5mm and the chokes need to be 1.5mm to be flush.

    Apologies for the lack of images, they would have helped by a great deal, but it was so late at night i really didnt think twice :S

    Nope the bent heatsink is the replacement one. The one before that , which Phoenix had, would sit flush without issues, but it got damaged somehow, so they changed it over night lol. And that damaged one was causing about 15 C higher temps on the Master GPU.

    If you decide to do the same, BE VERY VERY CAREFUL. I have an extra one coming in later next week, so i went all balls deep. These heat sinks are not solid copper so anything too much and they might tear/break.

    Yeah, just be careful when you take those spacer discs out, the screws might jump or shoot out and there is nothing to hold the springs onto the screws either. So keep an eye on those 2. I almost lost 2 of my springs :S

    Also another drawback of the bending is that my delta between the 2 cards is not up at 5-7C from 2-3C. So im guessing the Slave's core isnt making much contact as it was before but that could just be the lack of enough thermal paste.


    Yes, and you will need to remove those spacer disc thingies from under the screws as well.
     
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    @bloodhawk @TBoneSan @Prema

    So on CPU heatsink = remove all clips?
    How can I get the P1xxEM heatsink screws-spring to replace the P870xx heatsink spring?


    Bloodhawk, how did you bend the heatsink back into shape?



    CPU chokes (grey big metal squares) can be ignored and don't need thermal pads, K5 Pro will work fine.
    But on the CPU VRM (black small squares) did you put 0.5?
     
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    Be well buddy!!!
     
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    Yeah, im not sure what the springs look like on the P1XXEM heat sink, but i plan on using the same ones from my DM1's spare CPU heatsink.

    Aligned along the edge of my table and gently pushed down on the hanging side. VERY CAREFULLY.

    We might be able to ignore them for general use, but not for scenarios where the processor is running @ 5+ Ghz. Im sure not cooling them would be a bad idea in the long run.
     
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    Chokes don't need to be cooled, those are just metal block with copper coil inside it. No electronics.


    K5 Pro will be more than enough to transfer the heat.
     
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    Maybe, but if have to use a .5mm thermal pad on the VRM's, might as well level the whole thing out and avoid the mess.
     
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    Chokes are about 1.5mm taller than the top of the VRM chips and the surface they both contact on the heat sink is flat. You would have to use a thermal pad as thick as the difference in height, plus a little extra, in order to make contact to cool the VRMs. Or, use thermal adhesive to glue a 1.0mm thick rectangular block of copper onto the heat sink to fill the gap if you wanted to use a 0.5mm thermal pad.
     
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    The ones next to the CPU socket, are actually lower than the VRM's. By about 1mm.
     
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    Maybe I said the chokes and VRMs backwards, so sorry about that. The point is since the area they contact on the heat sink is a flat surface there is no way to use a 0.5mm pad on the shorter part like Brother @Mobius 1 suggested because that is not thick enough to make contact. The heat sink would hit the taller component before touching the pad.

    Would have been better if Clevo had just gave those parts a discrete heat sink like a desktop and not tried to use the CPU heat sink for this. It has never been a good idea and it's sad that they did not figure it out a long time ago. Stupid idea, really. Too much can go wrong, and they don't give enough attention to precision in manufacturing to pull it off the right way. The worst example was the CPU heat sink abortion that was on the P570WM. They tried to cool way too much crap with one part. Maybe someday they will employ aerospace grade precision in what they do, and something like this approach might work OK. Their sloppy-fitting chit just don't cut it.
     
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    Yeap, the gap will need too much K5 Pro and will make things rather runny and messy , if the laptop is moved around.
     
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    Homey don't play dat. I wish the K5 Pro would harden up like RTV silicon with heat conductive properties. That would make it an awesome product.
     
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