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@Phoenix feel free to try it. It will give you the ability to hold a position of authority to be critical of it and discourage others from using it if your experience is the same as mine way. MX-4 is one of the poorer quality thermal pastes I have used. I tried it on the M18xR1 and R2 and it worked fair (not great) for about 3 or 4 days, then temperatures would be off the chart. Before I discovered liquid metal IC Diamond was much better than MX-4.

This run is on El Machete at 4.7GHz. I am expecting to be taking the machine apart frequently for a while, so I used Phobya NanoGrease Extreme on it instead of Conductonaut. As you can see, the temps are really good for non-metal paste.

 

Kryonaut is a decent non-metallic paste. Almost as good as Phobya NanoGrease Extreme. I think the first time I tried it something was wrong. It was terrible, but I bought another tube and gave it a second chance and it was fine. But, Phobya works better and costs less, so I probably won't buy Kryonaut any more unless I cannot find Phobya NanoGrease Extreme when I need it.

 

Just posted my tube for sale on a local website. Thank you Papusan. Please don't joke with me again like this

 

Yeah and everyone who is not driving a Bugatti Veyron instead of their silly kiddy BMW M3s, or those of you who are not using a 20TB flash storage array for your data, or a tripple 4k monitor setup should all just go home.



Calm down man, not everyone has the same needs as you, that does not make them children.

 

Where there is a demand there will be more of the same product being made for the same gullible buyers to buy it. For an example: I don't buy stolen goods because it encourages thieves to steel more. But don't get me wrong; BGA for under $1500 mark is a great buy, also if you are looking for a compact laptop too. But don't ever buy a Porsche boxster because they're cheap, thinking that you will outrun Golf GTI (Clubsport) because you got the Porsche badge on. If I was going to buy something high-end I would save up and make sacrifices just to get that bit extra. It's great that people have different tastes in buying different systems to their needs, that's entirely up to them. But when a BGA buyer compares their system to an LGA one! well, that's an insult. And I think this is why some benchmark fanatics cause a commotion about BGA. They have a right to. Like the world has a right to speak out about North Korea thinking that they are the daddies. It's called debating.

I know I have added some crazy examples on here that's off subject, but please my brothers keep it steady, but defend your base and what you believe in. There is some BGA lovers on here that would go to the frontline for a chunk of that LGA socket to drown their guilt of owning a BGA system or companies trying to sell BGA for bigger net profits BEWARE!
#SpeechOver

Now lets continue with some thermal tests...

 

Yet again sorry, bruh. I have now edited my post regarding suggestion of Mx-4 or I could risk have to pay for the thermal junk myself due my ironic post above. Sorry for the use of my Norwegian style of humor

 

MX-4 is decent , but compared to the newer pastes its pretty much obsolete.

 

There, I fixed that for you, bro. "Needs" has nothing to do it it. It's more like minimum standards. I actually view the acceptance of BGA filth in "gaming" or high performance notebooks as being immoral and unethical. Intel making them is also immoral and unethical. Supporting their stupidity only makes them more stupid.

BGA is not worthy to be compared to a BMW M3. It's more like a Smart Car or a Yugo that has been beefed up just a little bit (assuming it is an HK series Yugo CPU). Maybe, if you stretch the imagination, the 7820HK can be viewed as a Cooper Mini.

 

Your entire view of the market is skewed then as the smart cars etc are the I3s and the ULV CPUs.

 

I've been meaning to ask this... rhetorical question, of course...

Did AMD actually name their flagship GPU after one of the crappiest Chevy cars ever made? @hmscott? They should have called it something a little less undesirable, like Corvette or Camaro, or even Nova. But, Vega just brings back all kinds of horrible memories, since it was the Chevrolet version of the Ford Pinto, only it was not built as well as the Pinto, LOL.

That's OK. All of it goes into the undesirable feces bucket if it's BGA, so the level of undesirability is not particularly relevant.

 

The name "Vega" has a much longer and distinguished history than the short lived Chevy, and most buyers today won't associate the car with the GPU

Most associate it with as a surname, or the bright star in the sky:

" Vega Family Name. A Spanish surname of Vega which means a person who lives in the open plains or meadow lands. Spelling variations for Vega include de la Vega, Vegaz, Las Vegas and Vegas. In Northern Spain in the Castile region the Vega surname first appeared."

"The little constellation Lyra has some interesting features. Near Vega is Epsilon Lyrae, the famed “double-double” star. ... Vega is one of three stars in an asterism – or noticeable star pattern – called the Summer Triangle to the early evening sky. The other two stars in the Triangle are Deneb and Altair. Jul 21, 2017"

 

Yeah, I am dating myself. But, it was just a silly rhetorical question. Still seems like a weird name, but I guess no different than Intel using the names of geographic locations or the NVIDIOTS using common surnames. I wonder where the significance of the naming convention choice comes from. Would be interesting to know if there was some actual thought behind it selection, or someone just thought it sounded cool.

 

Polaris, Vega, Navi... star names

Gamma Cassiopeiae - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_Cassiopeiae
In Chinese, it is named "the whip" (Chinese: 策; pinyin: cè). This is anglicised as Tsih. The star was used as an easily identifiable navigational reference point during space missions and American astronaut Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom nicknamed the star Navi after his own middle name spelled backwards.

 

I associate it with Vega from Street fighter

 

Exactly compressing the market and only seeing your end as legitimate is skewing your perspective.

 

@Mr. Fox

AMD : Future GPUs Will Be Named After Stars And Galaxies – Company Bids Farewell To Island Code Names
January 19, 2016
http://eleccafe.com/2016/01/19/amd-...s-company-bids-farewell-to-island-code-names/

"AMD’s Raja Koduri, head of Radeon Technologies Group, revealed that the company will be naming its future GPU architectures after stars, star systems and galaxies.

The company’s head of the newly founded Radeon Technologies Group explained that the team is heading towards a new direction with a fresh look on all things graphics and there was a need to reflect this change of winds.

AMD Radeon Technologies Group Bids A Somber Farewell To Island Code Names To Begins Its “Journey Into Space”"

 

That's a pretty convincing chart, link?

I went looking and found the "The Top 5 Thermal Pastes in 2017", and my two favorite old time pastes are still in there: Arctic Silver 5, NT-H1, and of course MX-4

5 Best Thermal Pastes 2017 - Buyer's Guide (UPDATED)
https://www.gamingfactors.com/best-thermal-paste-2017/

With this associated video review:

Ultimate Thermal Compound Comparison - Liquid Ultra, MX4, NT-H1, CP9 etc.

I've still got solid performance after many years from NT-H1 and AS5, but never got around to MX-4, back in the day when they were new AS5 and NT-H1 were reviewed as outperforming it, so there you go...

It all comes down to application technique, check out the 3 different methods of application for Liquid Ultra (same video):

Nice to see the Spread Method, which is what I always recommend, gets the best results, even for Liquid Ultra.

Even though LU is 3c cooler than NT-H1, I'd skip conductive pastes every time. There's no need for the risk, learn how to apply non-conductive pastes and rid yourself of the potential for a LM catastrophe.

 

I suppose it could be categorized as skewed by those that are willing to accept the filth. I view it as being black and white, no shades of gray in the middle and no legitimate basis for accepting their compromised trash products. That being the case, any other view on the matter is not skewed... it's merely identified as being a messed up and wrong view. When it's messed up and wrong, then there is no basis for extending forgiveness or allowing wiggle room for compromise. You just say "nope" then quietly turn your back to it and walk away.

 

That's cray cray. Somebody was actually stupid enough to use liquid metal on aluminum? And, then upload the proof of their stupidity to YouTube?

Interesting opening comment. The greatest critics of liquid metal are those that have never had a need for it. On that basis the critics remain ignorant of the benefits of using it. They can only point to the potential problems of placing it into the hands of idiots when it is not used correctly. Blaming liquid metal for problems like electrical shorts or aluminum corrosion is about as retarded as blaming murders involving a firearm on the guns rather than the idiots using them inappropriately. It's also kind of like not believing there is any such thing as a headache because you have never seen one before and haven't ever had one yet. As soon as you have one, you're instantly a believer in headaches because you have experienced one.

Edit: @hmscott - I agree with your application preference. I now use the spread method for everything. It's better. No more pea sized dots or X patterns. I spread everything now... IC Diamond, Kryonaut, Phobya, Coolermaster, Gelid... all of them work better for me with a thin layer spread across the chip with a spatula. A nice side benefit is that the spread method uses less thermal paste and there is less mess to clean up later from the excess that squishes out the sides.

Anyone that is not using the spread (as in paint) method for liquid metal is just looking for a mess, and possibly calamity. If you want superior results with it, you have to follow directions. Used properly, nothing else works as well or is as durable. It needs to be respected and used correctly. There are some use scenarios that should be avoided, such as a laptop that gets slammed around like a rag doll all of the time. Using foam dams or a silicon seal to keep it where you want it is appropriate, but living in fear of it is only appropriate for the haphazard and careless.

NT-H1, AS 5 and MX-4 are among the least durable and most ineffective thermal pastes I have ever used. NT-H1 actually works excellent for a short time, then degrades severely, every time I have tried to use it. The problem with NT-H1 and MX-4 are primarily pump-out and not staying in place between the heat sink and processor. If it's not there any more, it can't work. But, to be fair, I have only used those examples on laptops. They probably achieve much better results when used on desktops and the heat sink is not subjected to movement or shock.

 

I'm pretty sure you haven't tried Noctua Nt-H1 on an oc'd Haswell 4830Mx A terrible experience

Even for Liquid Ultra This... Made my day lighter. +rep

 

I took down the comment, as entertaining as it was, because I can't be sure the Hyper 212 used was copper base or exposed copper heatpipes + nickel plated - I'm pretty sure only the fins of that heatsink are unplated aluminum.

http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/hyper-212-plus-with-fan-bracket/

http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/hyper-212-evo/

Please refresh the page / my last post for new content

As to longevity, I have computers 7+ years old still running on NT-H1 and AS-5, the secret I found was after spreading, to "cut" the first smidgen around the edges so there is no direct air contact with the paste, that works to avoid drying out over time. Thinness of spread helps here too, so the paste doesn't ooze out around the edges.

 

Yeah, you're absolutely right. There's no problem using it on the heat plate for that cooler. And, there is no reason any liquid metal would or should get on the aluminum fins unless the person using it is very careless.

These are desktops you are referring to? I ask because back in the day when I was using and building desktops and did not even own a laptop of my own, the brand of thermal paste was seldom of tremendous importance. I was an AS 5 user back then, because at that time there wasn't anything better. But, the difference in temps between AS 5 and other stuff was minimal. All thermal pastes were better than the waxy square pad crap that came with stock CPU heat sinks from AMD and Intel.

 

Man you guys woke me up with the last few pages here.
And that picture of the Super NES Hyper Fighting street fighter 2 game (I KNOW that's not the arcade version because of the screen perspective being squished) just tilted the hell out of me.
BTW @Coolane I need you badly Sent a PM.

And guys let's try to keep it a bit civil here. I know everyone has strong feelings, but please remember, each and everyone of you are more financially stable, doing well and know far more and are far healthier than me. No need to fight with company reps on passionate topics; you don't want to drive them away from supporting end users, even if they're buying stuff they could do better purchases with. I can barely sleep due to my medical issues now and I'm about to brick my laptop. Even though the mighty @Papusan has problems, he still has a great wife, great CPU cooling and lives in a great country with clean air.

 

The problem with the spread method is that the new beginners can't do it correct. A lot of them get higher max temp vs. the line/X methods. They use all too much paste and ruN into problems. Especially if they use a thick high viscosity thermal paste. Problems with the application of paste is one of the reason a lot of them prefer thin paste as Mx-4.

 

LGA prices would drop if they were the norm and BGA was reserved for ultra thin where it makes sense. @Mr. Fox is spot on, even if he is a bit harsh. There isn't a ton separating the technologies. The laptop BGA versions are designed from desktop variants with lower tdp and thermal requirements. If consumers knew how they are being duped, then I doubt they would continue to buy most BGA crap. There is a reasonable argument for ultra thin ultra light BGA. Beyond that it's consumer ignorance fueling the industry.

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Found the link to that MX-4 is better than Liquid Metal chart

http://m.aliexpress.com/item-desc/1431191978.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...rease-silicone-thermal/326009_1431191978.html

Looking for the article mentioned in the full image...PC Games Hardware August 2010 article didn't make it online...
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Luftk...PCGH-Testsieger-in-Kuerze-erhaeltlich-774292/

"The electrically non-conductive Artic-cooling thermal grease is delivered in a syringe with 4 grams of content. The trick: Through several holes in the paper, the fill level can be seen.PC Games Hardware was able to conduct a preliminary test of the MX-4 already, which was published in issue 08/2010 ( the Order single issues ). Due to the high cooling performance over eleven other products, the thermal paste scored a Top Product Award for itself."

Kind of an old article to quote for results...

 

Not disagreeing with him. Not sure what's worse...Nvidia with their draconian "DRM" (Yes it's DRM), Intel for catering to the lowest common denominator, or people (BESIDES FLOYD MAYWEATHER) For chasing all that money. But seriously, no one would be complaining if BGAbooks were limited to super light and thin <$1,000 laptops that school students and business people need to do productive work on. They don't care about upgrading--they just don't want to carry around TWO Bricks with them. But when $2,000+ laptops have unupgradeable soldered parts (made even WORSE By everyone using FLUXLESS (is this the right word?) solder which DEGRADES...yeah.

Ever figure out why so many soldered parts lose connection these days?

 

Just so you know, none of us are bickering. We are merely sharing thoughts and opinions. I still think highly of the people who don't agree with me and I respect their right to have a different view than mine. But, I love sarcasm and hyperbole. I don't want you to mistake that for meanness because I am a docile domesticated fox, not a wild one.

 

I fix it for you +rep

 

From my (older post)See my quote with @Phoenix in previous posts... From my older post... This is the Thermal paste KING!! Old news, I know... But Run and buy. Dump Liquid metal if you use it, into the dustbin and re-paste with the best yoo can get

 

At the end of the day, the best thermal paste to use is any product that meets ones expectations. If that doesn't happen, the person in question is either applying it incorrectly, or need they need to stop using the wrong product.

That's pretty sound logic.

Irregardless of the objectionable aspects of BGA filth, there is no legitimate excuse for soldered joints to fail. Poor quality control and inferior materials, cutting corners to save a few bucks. BGA should last as long as you want to use it, just like a socket or slot mounted product. It should be too old and slow to be of any value before the solder fails.

 

I ran out of rep points I think @Papusan and @Mr. Fox need to be repped 50 times. Comeon people let's do it.

*EDIT*
I meant LEAD-FREE SOLDER, sorry folks. I'm just a gamer

 

Gotta love that Arctic is still quoting test results from 2010 as the top recommendations for their paste

"" Tested with Intel Core i7-920, the ARCTIC MX-4 is one of the most efficient thermal compound we have ever tested. It is able to maintain the temperature at around 76C at load while 5 other thermal compounds in the test are with..." Overclockers.ua

Reading that current product page is like reading a blast from the past

 

Yeah, someone might eat their lead soldered electronics and die. Can't have that, now can we? I'm so glad they started marking silica gel packets with "Do Not Eat" because every time I see one of those delicious looking things I get such an irresistible urge to munch on it.

Don't you just love how alarmists want to outlaw everything that has the potential to cause harm when used improperly by a moron or a demented lunatic? That's the stupid world we live in. Just wait, and don't have your surprised look on you face when a group of retards surfaces and calls for the outlaw of automobiles because of the terrorist idiot that used a van instead of a gun to kill a bunch of innocent people in London.

Or, the 8800 GT back in 2010... LOL. It was an obsolete GPU even when it was tested. Also one with a defective solder job if I remember correctly.

 

One of the reasons I posted my ironic post regarding mx-4 @Phoenix I even put in and hoped all of yoo understood my Norwegian humor Why should I put in this smiley → ← If I was pure serious?

 

Apparently we need to start putting non-ironical disclaimers on our posts.

"DO NOT BUY THIS"

"WE ARE JOKING AROUND, NOT A SERIOUS RECOMMENDATION"

"NOTICE THAT GRAPH IS FROM 2010, NOT CURRENT DATA"

"DO NOT EAT THIS"

 

I thought that everyone knew about Mx-4 after so much exercise threads here or on the web. Is there no one reading OP post anymore? I can't see Mx-4 listed non places in the OP

 

The best way to cool a laptop is to place it in a shallow pan of water just deep enough for the fans to suck up the water and blow the mist through the radiators.

I am not joking.

 

how can I interpret what your smilies mean when you put 6 smilies in every post?

 

Water Cooling the Macbook 2015 - Increased performance or dead Macbook!?

 

Oh'well, Nice I can understand my own posts But I will put more info next time



Better?

 

@Papusan , @Phoenix 's got a point

I only knew what you meant because it was in context, if only you gave a link...

What thermal paste recommendation thread?

Oh, that one...

 

When I saw his post, I was super excited that finally something better than LCU came out AND is non-conductive So I quickly went on Amazon and bought the largest tube I could find......now I have to sell my tube because of his joke and the chances of someone buying the tube here in Dubai are close to none...

@Papusan you want my PayPal to donate mte 20 USD plus shipping charges?

 

How are you guys spreading ICD? As long as Apple keeps making ultra thin laptops with BGA, everybody will follow suit. If one day Apple decides to make a thick, well cooled, aluminum chassis LGA socket monster with SLI GPU with no cancer firmware.. the industry will change.

 

@Papusan

The moment I got the tube, I was literally about to open my taptop and waste an hour to repaste...thank God I paused for a second to take another look at the results with Arctic MX-4 to realize what the heck am I doing....

Otherwise if I had done it and saw the results myself, I would've flown to Norway and....

 

with a little plastic tool, it's very easy but thick

 

Why would yoo buy the largest tube you could find? You have 4-8 laptops? Of course... This paste will pump out within a week You should ordered +3 tubes. Aka $60 bucks. And yoo know I love Liquid metal!! If I have changed... I'm sure yoo all would know it.
Btw. No money now... Back from my summer Vacation you know Again sorry.

 

Because Mr. Fox always taught me....2 are better than one (hello SLI ) so I apply this concept to everything... The bigger...the better...