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Better you start to use Throttlestop if you haven't Prema bios. "Turbo boost short power max" + "turbo boost power max" in Xtu is the same as the package power short and long In Throttlestop (Package Power limits) But try to increase those values in Xtu and see how it goes first (Now that you already have Xtu installed). Do not forget to put high performance and not balanced in Win power plan. But remember uninstall all OC profiles when you uninstall the whole XTU bloatware. Do not start up Xtu and Trottlestop simultaneously in Windows. Use only one of the parts. Preferably Throttlestop.

 

its summer now + i did it around 2pm which is high noon maybe thats why i had so bad temps when i did the prime test. ok score went up more than twice. what do i do now to make it permanent? just leave at max power?

EDIT: i only did 1 thread doing it now again with 8 threads. this is the result of the test with 8 cores + turbo boost power max at max(511.875w)

 

@ssj92 Need to ask for one more thing. Your Virginity. JKJK. Need Throttle Stop settings. Pwetty please.

 

Much better. Maybe still low 1024M score but I don't remember what the score should be with stock clock(I think I have never used stock clock). Just use max power. Try also Cinebench R11.5/15 for verification of your score. How is your ambient temperature?

 

just changed mine from clu to icdiamond24 (on top of ihs) tonight (delided, clu between ihs and die). yesterday @Phoenix did a quick run of 4.4 on my cpu and temps sky rocketet up to almost 95 - 98 instantly. when i took the heatsink of i noticed that there is barely any clu on the heatsink..just a small line. now after applying icd24 temps went down over 11 degrees c.
so i can second this, man!

 

Yeah it has something to either do with the even ness of the IHS and the heatsink contact surface, or the Thermpads on the VRM's (?) are too thick and are preventing the heatsink to make proper contact.
Ill do another test with new thermal pads on the next to the CPU, will keep you guys posted.

Any inputs @Mr. Fox , because from your video the heatsink was making good contact. Im guessing yours is completely flat.

 

good idea about the thermal pads... if i wasn't almost out of icd24 i would test this right now, as i have tons of th.pads laying around in all kinds of thickness and the stock ones do look kinda thick.

 

From what i gathered last night, the lower ones need a 3 mm pad and the higher ones need an 1 mm pad.

 

Anyone noticed the busiest thread on these forums which was the P870DM owner's lounge went on silent mode ever since we created this thread?

 

Neah, just coincidence.















/jk

 

ill just leave it at max power so that it performs better? wont it have effects on the machine?

ambient temp when i did the first runs were bad, actually a record breaking day for us 51c. the 2nd run i did was in a small room with ac set to 17c. Might try to do a repaste now or later today. btw should i use alcohol to clean the old stuff(ic diamond) out? or just with a dry paper towel?

 

@Papusan @GTVEVO @tilleroftheearth @Cloudfire @Mr. Fox @johnksss @Prema

15% performance increase with the latest Intel Rapid Storage Technology v14.10.0.1016 / RAID Driver v14.10.0.1016

RAID 0 / 16K Data Stripe Size
Cache Mode: Write Back
Link Power Management: Disabled
Write-Cache Buffer Flushing: Disabled

 

Wow someone's act is together as that's significant.

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How hot does the 950 Pros get inside of a laptop? I did hear they have quite high operating temperatures and may throttle.

 

Temps of the Samsung 950 PRO 512GB Right after the SSD Benchmarks:

 

147 Kelvin ahahah

53C sounds much better.

 

Guys my system has never been snappier with these new IRST Drivers!! Windows Image Backup using Macrium Reflect (no drivers or software installed) took 31 seconds to complete! Then a full system image with all my drivers/software installed took 1 minute 18 seconds!!

I feel like I am using someone else's laptop everything literally flashes in front of my eyes....due to how fast it is

 

Do not use dry paper towel. Use Isopropanol of ok quality and cotton swab to clean the old stuff. Soak old paste with isopropanol so paste are easier to remove. Wipe dry in the end with a lint-free cloth. There are also tiny paper towel with alcohol you can buy at the pharmacy, which works very well. Take your time and do the job properly... All paste outside Liquid Ultra, ICD, Grizzly Kryonaut and Gelid Extreme is in short... Useless. Do not listen to all the wise guys who say that all ok thermal paste is within a margin of 2-3grader difference in temp.

What's happening? Rarely see such a performance improvement that is so significant with IRST drivers. Some have done a good job

 

In all the years I have been testing different IRST drivers, I have never seen or felt such a performance improvement, you can really feel it and measure it with the benchmarks.

I had a good feeling about this one actually since it's been more than 4 months since the last IRST driver update.

 

Should I still use Samsung 950 Pro NVMe Driver v1.1. Or is it enough with IRST?

 

Single Drive setup: It doesn't matter, the NVMe driver is what drives the 950 Pro, the IRST Driver would be for your two 2.5" drives in your system

RAID Setup: The IRST Driver is the only driver that controls everything here, you cannot even install the NVMe driver as the drives when in a RAID array are not even detected as Samsung drives so forget NVMe driver

 

I mean I've seen ASSSD tests without Samsung driver with better scores. Or am I totally on berry-picking?
I know about Samsung NVMe driver and Raid setup. Remember I used Raid first in this monster

 

I forgot to mention, I have to give credit where it's due......

I was a total n00b when it comes to SSDs and RAID. @tilleroftheearth has taught me everything I know now starting from SSD Tweaks to Data Stripe Sizes for RAID 0 to TRIM, you name it. He is the SSD Doctor.

PS: Mr. Tilleroftheeearth, if you were wondering who the heck am I, my previous nickname was Matrix Leader

 

the built in NVMe driver in Windows cannot even come close to the Samsung NVMe driver in terms of performance. Period.

How can you expect Micro$h4ft go give you a driver that's actually good?

 

I remember those tutoring lessons...

Good times!

 

yeah me too bro, I would ask a small question, and you would take all the time in the world posting an essay explaining every fine detail. the best thing you taught me was to choose a 16K data stripe size for my workflow which consists of surfing the net mostly, watching a movie now and then and playing games occasionally I set my 2nd RAID 0 array for my two 2TB HDDs (4TB total) to 128K since they only contain video files....

 

this tube came with my laptop i assume its icd? i will be using this alcohol hope this works out ok. also should i also put some on the heatpipes or just a dot on the cpu is fine?

 

You should clean the contact surface of the heatsink + cpu and not the pipes. Do not know what is in this tube, but maybe others know. What paste depends on who you bought your laptop from. Remember cotton swab and lint-free cloth. The rest is ok. Paste only on Cpu. A cross with paste is better than a small pea in the middle.
warm up the paste in a cup with 50 degrees hot water (put the tube with paste in a plastic bag) before applying. Paste becomes softer and will spread better.

 

I think i did an ok job. Ok will check the cross thing. I got this free w ic diamond paste i guess its icd. Also is it fine to be running on max power via xtu? No long term effects on hardware?

 

That tube is IC Diamond for OEMs. I got the same one as well but I bought my own tube as well which looks like this:

 

This is where Lady Luck lives, you pull the handle, and watch for the Cherry's to pop into view, and if they all line up, you have the top Overclock



Everyone's a Winner!

 

You have a machine that is designed to run at full blast. Why cripple the speed? Only thing that can prevent this is either a bad paste, application or a too warm indoor temperature. This is something you can fix yourself . Remember this is not a BGA machine that is crippled by design...

I think some computer vendors have their own tubes with ICD paste.
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Edit: @jpsm Read also my post below. Also the link in the post http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-106#post-10231803
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-106#post-10231803

Thermal Paste Application Techniques https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Thermal-Paste-Application-Techniques-170/

 

Already taken sorry LOL

As for throttlestop, I'm not on my P870DM right now but all I did was go to the turbo multipliers and increase them to 46x. And checked clock modulation or chipset modulation (whichever one is checkable). Other than that I didn't touch anything (stock voltage).

 

in the future you should use isopropyl > 90% rather than 70%. Your drug store should sell it, or you could get 99% online if they don't have it.

 

Using vhd/vhdx or creating 2 drives apart? Try the first one while maintaining fragmentation in file, could be pretty viable if u wanna keep raid setup. Windoze hypervisor doesnt limit vhd usage as noticed.

 

Firstly, you didn't mention him correctly, it should be like this @tilleroftheearth

Secondly, RAID 0 will always beat a single drive setup in AHCI but depending on your workflow, the synthetic increase in performance in benchmarks may or not be felt by you as a regular or even as a power user.

Example, RAID 0 highly increases sequential read/write speeds but if your workflow doesn't involve dealing with huge contiguous files, then that increase in bandwidth will not be felt. As tilleroftheearth always says, snappiness that can be felt usually is determined by the random 4K read/write speeds as the OS and most programs comprise of small files, so the higher that score, the better.

In the past with conventional 2.5" SATA SSDs, a single drive setup used to always give me higher 4K Random Read/Write speeds vs a RAID 0 setup. But now with the 950 PRO, I see the Random 4K read is almost the same even with a RAID 0 setup and the Random Write is higher so all good.

Remember, snappiness in SSDs also has to do with latency, a RAID array is always going to have a slightly higher latency as opposed to a single drive setup but these 950 PROs are so fast and with the latest IRST driver's increase in performance, I have never felt my system snappier.

I will leave this to tilleroftheearth though as he is the SSD performance expert.

 

Here you go:

Single 950 PRO:



Dual 950 PRO in RAID o . 16K Data Stripe Size (Intel Recommends 16K Data Stripe Size for SSDs BTW):

 

Ahh I see. I initially thought it did and thought that I had decreased CPU performance in RAID 0 while running a wPRIME test because I was getting a low score. So I thought since laptops don't have a dedicated RAID controller, and the CPU is used slightly for the RAID operations, that was the cause of the performance hit.

Fast forward to today, and I noticed the performance is the same with or without RAID in benchmarking. The problem was my antivirus back then which was Avast! causing a lot of slowdown on the benchmark.

Keep in mind that when you are playing a game or running a GPU benchmark, since there is little to no access on your storage device as everything is loaded in RAM, it shouldn't be an issue running RAID 0 when it comes to CPU or GPU performance.

 

Doesn't this discussion belong in the regular owners lounge?
@USMC578 @Phoenix

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have mercy on us!!! Excellent man! Score updated on the leader's board

 

I think your question has been answered by now?

Fyi, I don't believe that BM'ing has anything to do with performance (not real world performance, anyway) in my workflows and workloads.

As has been hinted at: RAID0 (overall) is much slower for 'snappiness', even if it has more brute throughput available vs. a single SATAIII SSD. To me; that makes it inferior. But for a workload where that brute throughput is usable (raw 4K+ video and audio editing/saving to an 10GbE NAS or DAS, for example...) then the tradeoff may be worth it to a user.

BM 'scores' are effectively useless to me because most/all do not track what will happen if I change out component 'a' for component 'b' for my workflows. YMMV.

RAID0 on a mobile platform is not worth the risks or the increased latency to me. On a desktop platform? I can see judicious use of it depending on the workflow(s) needed. But not for the O/S partition with the software* I use (Win10x64Pro already makes SSD's fly).

*PS, LR, AutoCAD, etc. is some of the software I use on a daily basis (raw image creation and editing).

 

Thank you for the wonderful insight Mr. Moderator

 

@Phoenix Hope this pushes you to remove CLU from the IHS :

https://i.gyazo.com/4d53d255a423fbbf1531229192551d84.jpg

 

awesome dude! you got a silicon lottery cpu or is it a regular one which just runs this friggin' cold even with those multis? if i set mine to 4.4 it draws 1.25v under load with an offset of -90mv

 

Nope normal, self delidded.

 

That's insane bro

so tell me again as I forgot......

1) What do I need to put between the CPU Die and IHS

2) What do I need to put between the IHS and the heatsink, is CLU or IC Diamond better here as well as we know CLU is very thin layer so it doesn't make good contact with the heatsink

 

CLU on the Die , and then Kryonaut/ICD/GCE on the IHS.

 

ohhh in that case it's easy for me to repaste, I initially thought you wanted me to re -delid my CPU to change LCU to something else. If you want me to simply repate with a different thermal paste that's super easy I'll do it tonight.

 

Yes, but of the 3 options on the IHS, which did you use/have when getting the current/last great thermal/temperature results?

And, WTF is GCE?

 

Im using Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
Before this i was using Gelid GC-Extreme (GCE )
The Kryonaut gave a 5-7C drop for some reason, with the exact same type of application.