Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

Im on the exact sane version :

 

Maybe I am just silly having my bench machine also being my main machine

 

I'm doing the same thing at the moment. But next year, I'm building my first desktop in a decade! Skylake-E/EP with potential hexa-channel ddr4 and an assured 3+ years on the socket (going on the newer 18 month between steps Intel referenced), with Volta/Vega, 2x 420 rads, a 360 rad, 120 rad in a corsair 900 case. (Don't worry, I'll hook all that radiator goodness up to the ZM just to see what this MB is made of at some point for lulz). Since it is looking less likely on a P570WM replacement, unless they decide the extra expense over the 870 is worth it. Plus, that rig can be used to oc many older rigs, just to ramp up my hardware points at hwbot until I buy the equipment for ln2.

Don't worry, I'll be OC my laptop as well and Clevo has earned my loyalty (plus nothing else comes close)! But, instead of slowly upgrading the ZM or upgrading to a new machine, that makes the most sense for next year. Without a 570 replacement, I'm thinking I'll wait for either cannonlake or its successor...

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Not alone bruh. Same case here. I just use a Blade Stealth when im out.

 

I love my quad core too much to go back at this point...

 

Dude i miss my 3930k workstation, had to part way with it since i was moving and it was too bulky to carry around. That sucker was running 5Ghz on all cores under a full custom water loop. But in honesty i dont need it anymore, and this laptop is more than enough.

 

Alright, gents - I'm finally getting a long-needed upgrade for my system - I purchased 16 GB (2 x 8GB SODIMMs) Kingston HyperX Impact Black 1600 MHz DDR3L RAM (primarily for X-Plane and it's RAM-eating tendencies), and I'm interested in learning how to overclock the RAM to 1866 (or even 2133) MHz before the RAM is actually delivered to me.

So - how do I OC RAM?

 

Tune for the brightest glow.

Spoiler

 

I peed a little.

 

Does the clock remain 4.8 for sky diver too?
Never seen a sky diver cpu graph on this forum.

 

There are a couple ways. Since the spd likely won't have the incremental or auto settings on the timings, add to the multiplier until it doesn't go up anymore and still reboots, loosen timings as needed. Don't just jump to the highest multiplier, steps.

Better answer, check out hwinfo and taiphoon burner. Not always will the timings set in taiphoon burner be what is stable under manual loosening. Look at the ns of each timing at 1600. Now, figure out how to maintain those timings in ns when seeing actual timing rates at higher speeds. From there, it is trial and error to find which timing is the week link and either loosen it by a full rate or by a step inside the rate (this involves flashing the spd to change the steps. If uncomfortable with potentially making the system unbootable and having to hotswap into a slot to reflash it and you don't have a spare dimm not being flashed around to at least boot, then don't do this step or only do it as an xmp file.). Repeat as needed. Use test memory 5 (TM5) while in Windows to see if it is roughly stable. After you have roughly stable (no errors in TM5 and no memory related crashes), then break out the thumb drive and make it go through memtest86+ at least three rounds. Make sure it is set to parallel, which is the hardest to pass. If it passes, you're good. Move on to the next highest or call it a day. If not, tinker with the timings or stepping again until it is stable or go back to a slightly lower speed.

This, in conjunction with jaybee's discussion on playing with timings, just full rates set in bios, from the p750zm OP should get you where you're going.

Don't flash your spd if uncomfortable, and ALWAYS BACKUP THE HEX FILE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL DIMM BEFORE YOU START FLASHING THEM! You need a safe setting, usually the default speeds when shipped, to make sure you can start over.

Hope this helps. If you use taiphoon burner, watch many videos, read forums, etc. Remember, from the zm on, you can get a lot of information in general OC forums (we just fine tune more than their HUGE jumps on voltage between steps and our sodimms are slower)!

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From one of my earlier post


http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-212#post-10248311

 

Yep

 

I just thought of a second method that is more work, but can help if the timings are alluding you:

Only put one dimm in at a time. Increase the speed and tighten timings, similar to above explained. Repeat for all dimms. The loosest timings are the tightest you can run the set. Note - these only give you a guideline! Once in dual channel or a different command rate or running both channels, it may not be stable. You will have to refer to my comment above to get it stable, if possible at all. If you cannot find the timings and are frustrated, looking for the lowest common denominator (worst overclocking dimm) can help to act as a guide for the rest, as you are always setting ram to the slowest in your machine for stability! hope that gives a little more for you!

Edit: also, verify the other dimms work with the timings on the slowest dimm. One of the others may not like the timings set on the slowest dimm, creating a head ache looking for middle ground at the higher clock! Also, sometimes what is wrong is that the step isn't tight enough within the rate, meaning instead of loosening it, barely tighten it. Trial, error, and patience are your friend when OC ram.
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I think my CPU throttle problem is a p7x0dm realted problem.
During weekend I met a friend who uses p870dm without any OC.
I've OCed his laptop just to 4.4 and his didn't have a throttle issue.
So I am thinking that my p750dm setting is not the problem but the laptop itself has some limit.

 

Is it on the Prema BIOS? The P7XXDM?

 

Yeah I think so. That's what he said earlier in the thread.

 

Then i would try flashing the Prema BIOS once more, just to make sure the EC is up to date.

 

I wish Prema releases a new BIOS for the P870DM but I feel like all the work that can be done/improved on it is done in his vision at least. I would like to have an updated EC

 

What number did you put on TPL tab of TS?
My friend's p870 clock was kept as it should be with prema bios.

 

True, there isnt much left to improve i guess, unless Clevo releases and updated and more efficient BIOS. Which i doubt is going to happen.

Easy way would be to max out the power limits in the BIOS and play with the right amp values, after that you wont really have to mess around with TPL in TS.

 

I believe you are wrong. Your chipset supports kabylake, meaning Clevo would piss many off without giving that opportunity! This means, at minimum, you will see a bios update and likely an Intel management engineer firmware update. That does not necessarily mean an ec update, but makes it more likely. If I remember correctly, the ec introduced it after the first version, but I don't know, conversations of a distant time....

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I hope im wrong as well.
But as far as the EC is concerned, they have started releasing one package now instead of 3 different parts.

 

The Intel management engine firmware is often packaged with the bios and streamlined for flashing. I didn't know they are moving to an exe, though. If they are, you can decompress the exe and get the constituent parts, then go from there. But, adding a line of new processors often means changes to the embedded controller, even if small. This is why I'm hopeful.

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Oh nono, not an exe. But a single BIOS files, unlike the separate files .


Plus from what i read they are also trying to have the same BIOS over similar systems, to avoid crossflash bricks.

 

Ok, meset is the management engine firmware. That is separate, but ran with the .bat file. Meanwhile, I see the rom there. If they are no longer separating it into two roms, I'm confused, because they are different chips on the board and each usually have their own file. Not every bios release comes with a new ec though. Note if you are talking the old sager/Clevo issue, the bricking often happened because of flashing a bios with an incompatible ec. How you got around that was flashing both the ec and the bios without a reboot in between, if memory serves (Prema dispelled the cross flash myth awhile ago). Now, if they are clamping down on sager having slightly modified ones because of the size of the reseller and the number of other resellers to lessen the number bricked because they don't know about it, I could see that, but that has nothing to do with putting it in a single package, I believe... I'll take a look at the archived versions for the model or wait for someone that knows a bit more to come in, but that's where my thoughts are (although could be wrong).

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Yeah thats exactly what im confused about. Since they are separate chips the file should be maybe larger? Though the BIOS block is about 5MB in most cases.
I remember reading about this in the Clevo BIOS thread, since that person got a response from Clevo about the cross flash issue.
But either ways, Clevo gib updated BIOs pl0x.

 

That's the stock BIOS I received from Sager about a week ago. Supposed to be pretty new, Prema was kind enough to repackage it for me. I forgot to take a picture of the version number before I shipped the laptop back last Friday.

File name from Sager was: 9870bv07LS1

 

Nvm. Was your Prema bios v.07 or .03

 

I'd have to ask UPS It's on its way back for a mobo replacement, hopefully

 

Dang. That replacement was fast though. Wasn't it earlier this week that you had the problem ? Kudos to Sager/Xotic for the quick turn around time, if that is the case.

 

It's on its way to Sager, sorry for the confusion.

 

#3DMark Conspiracy:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8042488/fs/8550394

EDIT: I am literally going to freak out if I get 4999 next time and miss the 5k mark by a single point...

 

More than likely a glitched run. Do you have a link?

Join the club. That has happen to me a few times. Only to come back and surpass the 4999 by like 300 points. . It will come though....

 

Didn't upload it. Give me a sec and I'll post the screen shot here. Thinking of creating a 700mb torn down version of Windows 7 to see if it helps...

@johnksss : attached above

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@ajc9988
If you are nowhere near 1 or 2 when you run that test. No need to go any farther. Stop and try again.
Looks like you have to much cpu stuff running in the background as well.

And last but more important than anything else... Look who you are going up against.
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Also, here is after upgrading to the new intel opencl driver. 4.0GHZ, not optimized run. 46.88 seconds: http://hwbot.org/submission/3221519_ajc9988_gpupi_for_cpu___100m_core_i7_2960xm_46sec_882ms

 

@ajc9988

Notice his other test do not fair so well....
Mine in the 2960XM

BENCHMARK WORLDRECORD TEAM RECORD PERSONAL BEST LINKS
CPU Frequency 5272.99 mhz (2pts) #1: 5272.99 mhz #1: 5272.99 mhz Rankings
PiFast 14sec 470ms (2pts) #1: 14sec 470ms #1: 14sec 470ms Rankings
SuperPi - 1M 7sec 129ms (2pts) #1: 7sec 129ms #1: 7sec 129ms Rankings
SuperPi - 32M 6min 54sec 727ms (2pts) #1: 6min 54sec 727ms #1: 6min 54sec 727ms Rankings
wPrime - 32m 4sec 800ms (2pts) #1: 4sec 800ms #1: 4sec 800ms Rankings
wPrime - 1024m 2min 37sec 780ms (2pts) #1: 2min 37sec 780ms #1: 2min 37sec 780ms Rankings
XTU 721 marks (2pts) n/a n/a Rankings
PCMark 2004 n/a n/a n/a Rankings
PCMark 2005 26370 marks (2pts) #1: 26370 marks #1: 26370 marks Rankings
PCMark Vantage 20528 marks (2pts) n/a n/a Rankings
PCMark7 6035 marks (2pts) #1: 6035 marks #1: 6035 marks Rankings

 

That's why I decided to own him on the others. Your scores would take much more work than I was putting in for cheap hardware points! I've just seen a couple of people able to get amazing scores on certain tests with lower multipliers and would love to understand specifically how they do it (that way I can own those tests as well)...

Meanwhile, some of your over 5ghz scores compare well with my over 5ghz scores on my 4790K... Kind of scary!

 

Simple answer. They change it before they submitted it.

 

Is that what @Papusan is doing? Changing the multiplier before submitting his scores? xD
Doing benches at 4.9Ghz and fooling around with us minions.

 

Damn you @bloodhawk What do you take me for? A liar? Maybe I'm lying about BGA also? Eat your hat LOL

 

Neah man tin is not easy to digest. No cant do. Im just messing with ya. Knew you would freak out xD

 

Very close to receive +rep

 

I hear you, meanwhile, give me the hardware and I can ramp up my ranking easily. Thinking of asking svl7 to open some dell BIOS from 2005 to get some old P4 scores loaded (have them sitting in storage). Don't know if I still have my AMD athlon 3200+, but compared my clocks to what was submitted and laughed at their OCs. It's money and access to hardware keeping me down, mostly (not to say I don't have more to learn). I'm considering going through, finding cheap hardware as low hanging fruit for OC scores, then just running up the score. After getting the renown, then jump into the modern high end hardware and exotic cooling (LN2).

Meanwhile, I do agree. The AV alone is probably part of the issue. But this is why I'm going to create just a base image and no internet, save the files from it, and upload. But that is for next month.

Edit: Just modded the 368.22 desktop driver. I'll check out how well it compares later....

Edit 2: http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-performance-double-fx-8350/
So, the 8 core zen will be competitive with the 5960XM, @jaybee83 @Meaker@Sager @Mr. Fox . If this holds true, and the 94W TDP holds true, we are talking about something that could rock in a laptop!!! Just a thought... Plus, with the socket being the same for multiple generations, you could upgrade for years to come!

 

so finally my shipment of CLU arrived. I was wondering how much drop in temps did anyone get from delidding? I will buying a razor blade tomorrow and hopefully by the end of the week muster enough courage to do it! pray for me!

 

I got about 12-15C Drop using CLU on the DIE and Kryonaut on the IHS. (My IHS is lapped btw.)

 

What do you mean by lapped? Why didnt you use clu on the ihs btw?

 

My heatsink was pretty warped, i had to lap that was well. And CLU leaves a nasty grey on the copper. (oxidation maybe?) Which can only be removed by sanding it. So i got a new heat sink, lapped that, lapped the IHS and used a normal paste. I might give CLU another shot with the old heat sink, but i barely get anytime these days, so might just stick with this.
Lapping basically means, flattening a surface by lightly sanding it with very fine grit sand paper. (crude explanation)

 

What are your peak temps? I think i might just follow you. I wont be putting clu on the ihs. You think its better not to? Did you remove the adhesive residue inside the ihs or just left it or add another adhesive?