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Uups, I'm sorry! That was by accident by crappy UI from my phone!

 

Liar.

 

Ay ay ay, señor bloodhawk! Don't be so cheeky!

 

Your fault

 

GUYS LOL

Did you guys see what @XMG is up to:

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...vr-devs-owners/&do=findComment&comment=146749

EDIT: Anyone tried the new beta driver, yet?:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/posts/10302568/

 

Oh my Gosh! VR "to go"! Ich lach mich schlapp!!!

 

15℅ higher 3dm11 score at stock?! say wat

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Even Firestrike seems to be better for stock.

 

What will happen when Nvidia push out the new whql driver

 

Oh that will definitely be worse than this one.

 

It would be not unusual for that to be the case. There have been a number of examples of AMD and NVIDIA beta and hotfix drivers working better than the next WHQL version.

 

Or next good Whql driver will be the final kiss from Nvidia before they say goodbye to Maxwell!!

 

Deadly kisses... I hate those. Just like 345.20 driver was the last " I love you, now please die" kiss for 780M SLI.

 

im really excited to see the upcoming kabylake cpu in this machine, though theres almost no improvement with exception of graphics over the p870dm. also hoping to see if intel will really delay 10nm and throw out consumer 6c 14nm in laptops.

if clevo follows the trend, we'll see 6c desktop cpu in laptop in another 2-3 yrs from now.

 

The real progress for performance is going to be from the Series 200 motherboard chipset, not the Kabylake CPU, so there's that to consider.

Getting a new motherboard with the new chipset features, providing more PCIE lanes for more performance, more channels for M.2 PCIE and TB3, etc.

 

what improvement is on 200 series chipset over the 100? kabylake is going to be optimization, intel won't give much on 200 series chipset tbh. theres nothing in it that interest me except for optane compatibility but first consumer optane likely won't be out until near end of 2017, which we'll have cannonlake by then.

 

Not a lot of info, little snippets, Kaby lake will support Series 100 and 200, so you can drop in a Kaby Lake CPU into a Skylake Series 100 motherboard Chipset, or build a new motherboard using the Series 200 giving you more bandwidth options.

Intel’s 7th Generation Kaby Lake and 200-Series Chipset Platform Detailed – Compatible With LGA 1151 Socket, Enthusiast 95W Options Included
http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-200-series-chipset-processor-platform/

 

that means you'd need to reset the BIOS, chuck in the new CPU and then retest for overclocks.

 

Well a BIOS update will be needed.

 

ah yeah to even accept the new CPUs.... @Prema better get on it

 

that would be nice, although at this point the only talk in rumor mill concerns 35W TDP 6 core cpus, which im not interested in at all...

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Minor revisions (eg 2720 -> 2760) are ok, but a new arch needs a fair amount of code.

 

Great info! I am running an external monitor for the benches so I can GPU-z on the side or MSI to monitor, I just downloaded NVIDIA Inspector going to give a try and see what I can get!

BTW anyone notice your GPU making noise at higher overclocks?? if I have +~360core and +~580 results in a whine noise from the GPU area and disappears at lower clocks. With NVIDIA Inspector I will see if adding more volts results in it disappearing or not .

I am a bit weary of EVGA Precision due to the bricked LCD's .. so I will try Inspector first. Again thanks for the info though!

 

@bloodhawk the 155 160 setting gave me a freeze while playing dota 2. Which setting do i adjust/tweak now?

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Looks like I am getting throttling, even at +100mV with higher clocks, with Inspector I was able to try +125mV and +371Core +590VRAM, and I got a worse result ( http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9524313) and my core MHZ graphs show it throttling down to 820Mhz and other clocks. It first throttled on first graphics test with temps at 72C so it doesn't seem to be temps. I think thinking that it could be power throttling? 180w isn't enough? Or I have a crappy socket that isn't putting out enough power?

 

@Mr. Fox for the techinferno questions:

Q: How are they powering the laptop with an electrical connection? I cannot imagine any laptop would run on a battery pack for more than a few minutes with a GPU strong enough to support VR.

A: It's laptop/mobile technology in a backpack form factor - not literally a laptop in a backpack ;-) Because of this we aren't limited to laptop batteries, run time is 40-60 minutes of full clock speed gameplay and the batteries are hotswappable. Also the GPU is under NDA (cough cough) so suffice to say VR performance isn't a problem

Q:
Incredible form factor.
I wonder how hot it feels on the wearers back.

A: The whole unit (excluding the Vive) weighs less than a P75*DM (under 3kg) so it feels pretty normal when you have it on. As above HS and fan assembly are bespoke and so it has quieter and better cooling than a laptop would witht he same specification. Because of this you can't ever feel heat on your back - you only get as hot as the amount you run around!

 

THX @XMG

Sure, just send me an ES/QS i7-7700K...

@ ALL user with a 980M that are using my v2 vBIOS, could you please test what minimum voltage you need to bench/run stable @ 1355Mhz and what ASIC your card has. Should be in the 1.1v region...

 

I left it in my other pants!

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Hm, a GTX 970m and a QM-Proc shouldn't squeeze a 180w brick too much. To be certain you need a Watt-a-Meter to watch your powerdraw during benching. Do you use ThrottleStop? It should give you a hint, if it could be power- or thermal related throttling.

 

Just keep on dropping it till you stabilize. I tested my OC by using h.264 encoding.
Maybe give -145 (or -150) / -150 a shot .

I wonder if the cooling setup from this system will be available as replacement parts or something. Specially the MXM Parts. -

 

I couldn't decide where to post this, so I thought I would just ask here. I have a P750DM-G that has a 6700k in it. I can get it up to 4.5GHz, but it runs way too hot and isn't practical to keep like that because of the temps.

I purchased one of those Rockit Cool CPU delid tools with the intent of delidding the 6700k, throwing some CLU on the die, and running with it. However, doing some further reading gave me pause. Some say that removing the IHS and leaving it off is bad because the heatsink will not sit flush on the die and there will be a gap because the die sits lower than the IHS. I also read some people claiming that the die can crack because the die was never meant to come in direct contact with a heatsink. Some say that the IHS should be put back on - just redo the paste between the die and IHS.

My question is, is it safe to take the IHS off and leave it off?

 

That would be nice, since the rest of the machine is a joke. Hopefully, one would be able to salvage something from this waste of technology. Don't understand why Linus is so stoked about such a piece of crap. Seems to be quite a bit more pathetic than most high end Clevo laptops. Kind of like a NUC on steroids. It has only two memory slots and dual 180W AC adapters. "Shockingly powerful" --- really? Where? i5 and a gimped 980 with half the VRAM of our 200W 980? Gimme a break, Linus. LOL.

The heat sink in that machine is too small and unified heat sink design isn't a good idea. And, if it is made the same as the P750ZM that I have, the fit might be poor on top of the other issues.

If you leave the IHS off completely the heat sink won't make contact with the CPU die and there would be nothing to hold the CPU in the socket. Doing this would require some hard mods.

 

Thank you for the answer. My instincts told me to hold off and not do it. I'm glad I listened to my gut.

 

You can always, delid , replace the stock paste with CLU and put the IHS back on. That in itself will drop the temps pretty significantly.

 

True. I wasn't sure though what to do about putting the IHS back on. I don't have any compound of any type at my disposal to secure the IHS back in place, and I believe just laying it back on without sealing it back up is not an option. It almost sounds like too much effort to get an additional 300 MHZ out of the CPU. I can do 4.2GHz just fine. Any higher is the problem.

 

You can just place it on after applying the CLU and close the bracket on top of it. Just make sure it get centred, so you offset it a bit so that it lands in the middle once the bracket clamps down. Or you can use black silicon adhesive.(again offset it a bit so that it centres itself once the bracket closes down)
This is the one SL uses :

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002UEN1U/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Mine is just clamped on without glue.

 

Tried -150 on both and i think its stable. Its so weird that my previous values were ok even when i ran wprime but freezes whenever i play a game. The -140 and -70 @Phoenix suggested were stable but too hot for my taste and i didnt to leave my fans on max just to able to cool the system to "acceptable" temps.

 

Mine, too. No need to glue it down. Both 6700K delids and my 4790K delid, it is just setting on top of the die as @bloodhawk mentioned. If you ever need to repaste it, that makes things much easier.

 

Yeah those offsets vary from system to system, the settings from Phoenix are a great starting point and kinda universal, but need case by case tweaking.

And Skylake is sensitive to different types of tests, i observed that clocks that were stable with wPrime/Prime95/AIDA/TS Bench, would instantly lock as soon as i start a render in After Effects using h.264. A lot of people actually use h.264 to test their their Skylake overlocks.

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/756757-x264-stress-test
http://www.overclock.net/t/1487922/going-deeper-on-the-x264-v2-stress-test

 

If you can, check the heat sink fit before delidding. If the contact with the IHS is poor, use CLU on the die, but IC Diamond on the top of the IHS. If you don't have pressure film to test the fit, clean everything up nicely and lay a narrow (1/8th inch) strip of computer paper or newspaper on top of the middle of the IHS. Lay it down on the side of the heat sink with no thermal pads (or remove the thermal pads for testing) and try to pull out the strip of paper. If is slides out with little or no resistance you'll know the fit is sloppy. If it is hard to pull out or tears apart, you'll know the center of the IHS is making decent contact. If that is too much hassle, get CLU and IC Diamond. If the temps are still too high due to poor contact between the IHS and heat sink with CLU, Clean it off and put down the IC Diamond (leave CLU on the die). Use a lot of IC Diamond... like a big X pattern from corner-to-corner. A pea-sized glob in the center won't be enough on a full sized CPU IHS. Brush the CLU onto both mating surfaces so the two halves come together wet. This applies to both sides of the IHS, so paint CLU onto a total of 4 surfaces.

 

I'm not quite sure I follow you. Are you saying put a X pattern of IC Diamond on the side of the IHS that comes in contact with the heatsink, and then also apply CLU to the side of the IHS that comes in contact with the heatsink? Essentially both on the same side at the same time?

 

No, sorry for the confusion. Have IC Diamond handy in case you need it. You can always use it for the GPU... works awesome for that. Use CLU for everything on the CPU if you can... that's the preferred approach.

The exception is if the heat sink fit is poor, in which case CLU won't work well between the IHS and heat sink. In that case use CLU between the CPU die and the IHS and IC Diamond on top instead of CLU.

If you are not sure of the heat sink fit and don't feel the testing is conclusive, or you think it's too much hassle, then try using CLU above and below the IHS. If the contact is poor the temps will still be too high. But, you'll be ready with the IC Diamond if that is the case.

I hope that explanation is less confusing.

 

It is. Thanks.

I had to send the machine in for service about a month ago for a motherboard replacement. Before it was sent back to HIDevolution, the CPU had CLU on it from when they built it. The highest core temp when running a Throttlestop bench @ 4.2GHz was 80c . When they sent it back after the repair, they had cleaned off the CLU, and put on IC Diamond in its place. The core temps were about 10-15c higher per core when running the same Throttlestop bench at the same speed as before. I removed the IC Diamond, and reapplied the CLU. The temps are back to topping out around 80c again when running the bench with at the same clock speed.

So I'm not sure if that is an indicator of anything, but I would like to think that the heatsink has relatively good contact with the IHS because the temps did in fact go down with the CLU? I'm still going to do as you suggested though and try the test with the paper.

 

Yes! That's great info. Clearly, the CLU helped by 10-15°C so that's awesome. Use it and you should be good to go. Based on that experience you may as well skip testing the heat sink fit because the results are already conclusive.

 

so clevo aint making a new machine for kabylake im assuming? though theres new chipset.

not talking about mobile consumer mate. clevo is the only oem put a desktop CPU in laptop. desktop CPU w/e 6c it maybe 8800k or 9700k it'll come with non restricted enthusiast cpu. tdp at that point dont matter tbh. just like 6820hk is 45w TDP yet its not power throttled, just a bad binned chip.

 

@Papusan: Can you all post comment in this review http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...aming-laptop,4680-2.html?579773ba2491b=reload

Did my little contribution, like many others here.

Thanks for the info !

 

That TJCOD guy sounds like a douche.

 

It's probably power throttling and also thermal throttling.. 180W brick isn't enough, trust me on that.. I made my Dell 240W brick trip with 3940XM + 970M OCed

 

Hello again,

i have now overclocked my Silicon Lottery i6700k up to 4.5 Ghz ( 4.8 Ghz SL certified, but on a desktop

overvolted MB ) and my HyperX 2400 Mhz Ram up to 2666 Mhz ( 133Mhz - x 10 ).

It seems stable on a quiet use but what utilities would you suggest to:

- 1°) Monitor temperature.
- 2°) Confirm the OC parameters i set to be effective ( resource monitors read [email protected] Ghz ).
- 3°) Do a little stress test to check stability on load.

And at last, what Core and Memory Frequencies OC settings are you running for the 980 GTX, please ?

Douche in my language ( french ) means: "shower" ...

 

Any tip about my former questions about OC utilities ( unless i made a mistake and entered the

now-single broken heart P870 owners' lounge ) ?

Nothing personnal, Bloodhawk, just a joke...