*** OFFICIAL Sager NP8760 / Clevo W870CU Owners Lounge ***

What? You guys can't see it?!?!

My apologies, I got mixed up on who you quoted, you're right, he doesn't have it in his sig.

Edit - According to Raisu's twitter (and assuming it's the correct person), it's an 820QM.

 

Now that we're on the same page, can you pass the pipe?

 

Of course, I always share my cookie dough.

 

My temps are similar. I wish it would show my 256 SSD.

 

I'm puzzled on wether to buy a NP8760 (i7 902xm) or a D900F (i7 950).. could you guys help me make my mind?
I'm a software developer, work with windows 7, and i sometimes use virtualization (Virtualbox).
I'm looking for great performance (of course)... don't care too much about weight and battery life. I love high-resolution screens. Design is important but not fundamental (or else I wouldn't consider thd D900F).... I will post this in the D900F lounge too, and see that they say...

Thanks.

 

I've never really seen a comparison between an 920XM and 950, they're different platforms.. both 45nm though, and 8mb cache.. In my opinion there probably isn't THAT much of a difference. They both obviously support VT-x.

The W870CU has the LED screen vs active matrix LCD on the D900F, so I would think the W870CU screen would look better, but that's pretty subjective.

With all of that in mind, unless I'm missing a huge performance difference with the 950, I'd just take the cheaper option, which would be the W870CU.

 

If you do not care about size, weight, bulkness, then consider the D900F. The desktop i7's will outperform the mobile versions of course. I went with the NP8760 because for an 8 lb small form factor 17' it screams!!

 

Actually, where I'm planning on buying the D900F ( www.mysn.de) costs about 150€ less that than the W870CU, with same speces where possible (same hard drives, same ram, etc)...

 

Hrm, now that I look at the passmark page there does seem to be a large jump in performance..

920 XM (at least I think that's what I'm looking at ) got 4,508 to the 950's 6,279.

Link (the 950 is top middle).

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+X+920+@+2.00GHz

 

Impressive sleuthing you did there. Yes, it's a 820QM.

While the temps are good, the fan noise is pretty noticeable. Can't complain though... it's probably just something I'd need to get used to, since this laptop is quite a different beast from my old 5-year old laptop.

 

Apologies for the stalking, I was just curious. Glad to see you're enjoying it, I plan on getting the 820QM as well.

 

Probably that has something to do with the turbo boost feature of the 920xm. If all cores are used it will clock at 2Ghz, while the 950 will still run at top speed of 3,06GHz. When only a core is used probably the 920xm will outperform the 950 since it would step up to 3.2GHz. But with modern operating systems a little multitasking is always going on. hmmmm.. I should have both laptops to run some tests

 

Both processors are Core i7, and as such, both have turbo boost so it's not a factor.

 

Clarksdale has a much more aggressive turbo than Bloomfield, of course it's a factor. The only reason Clarksdale can stay in tow is because of Turbo. Comparatively, the boost is about 5% for Bloomsfield i7's.

If you find yourself consistently taxing quad cores, the D900F workstation is still the ideal choice. The W870CU comes close enough though, and is significantly more portable. It looks a lot nicer, still offers RAID; has BIOS overclocking; it's a workhorse in its own right.

 

You're right, maybe I made my point incorrectly. I was trying to say that the Bloomfield chip is faster, regardless of the turbo boost on the 920XM. The 950 is the faster chip at each step (1,2 and 4 cores), so turbo boost doesn't change which is the faster chip regardless of how many cores are active.

 

Clarksfield - laptops

Clarkdale - desktops

 

Clark Kent = Superman

 

I guess in 2-3 years we will get the core i12 clarkent for laptops and i12 Superman for desktops. And AMD will probably respond by releasing the Spiderman platform while Nvidia will still have a hard time getting its X-men architecture pass the boot screen of Win8 - code named Darth Maul.

Oh yeah...

 

bring it on! LOL!

 

rofl

10char

 

Rofl

10 char

 

So, what are the max temps for the GPU while gaming?
53c is too good to be true, unless you put your lappie into a freezer

 

new review from notebookcheck, translated from German,

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...ebook.22054.0.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

conclusion seems positive, with good build quality and of course performance. drawbacks are like we all know, crappy batt life, and somewhat dodgy touchpad. any owners can confirm the touchpad issues?

 

I find that I am constantly at war with myself when deciding on purchasing a notebook. Many of you have observed my flip-flopping between the W860CU and W870CU, and I have to say that I have gone back to the W860CU. The selling factor that got me interested in the W870CU was the manual overclock of the 920XM to 2.53GHz. However, as we know now, the 920XM cannot stack both a Turbo Boost overclock and a manual bin overclock. The 920XM can still overclock on the W860CU to 2.26GHz because of Turbo Boost, meaning that the difference between 2.53GHz and 2.26GHz is a mere 12%. I find that throwing away all my ideals of a suitable notebook for a 12% CPU overclock is absolutely out of the question. Yes, the W870CU can still push the 920XM to 3.73GHz on one core while the W860CU is limited to 3.2GHz, a 16.6% difference, but that is still very marginal to me. I'm sorry babyhemi and the rest of you fine W870CU users. I have gone back to my roots to the 15 inch notebook world where I grew up in since 2003.

 

i am with you in this matter. when i started looking at clevo, im stuck at 15" W860, however, the prospect of OC for the 920XM and dual HDD has made me thrown off course a bit to the W870. and new reports showing that the LCD of the W870 is great and the size is not as big as regular 16:10 17" got me leaning more toward the W870. but of course, W860 is still smaller and lighter by comparison, and less expensive too.. agony.. SS, what is the definate factor that got you to settle on W860CU? maybe you can put some rest to my dilema..

 

Welcom back to the 15" world man

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5361611&postcount=188
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5363354&postcount=194
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5364145&postcount=198

These are my main reasons. There are more, but they are scattered out in other threads and are relatively minor.

I can really care less about the screen quality. As long as it's viewable, it's good in my book.

With this said, I have decided to hop on as soon as I can. I will be picking up that $600 OEM 920XM my friend promised me and the HyperX kit from Kingston with copper heatspreaders fairly soon. Then I will place my long promised order for a barebone W860CU from RJTech, which would make it the fourth Clevo I have bought from them in the past six years.

It's good to be back. From what I have calculated from RJTech, a barebone W860CU with only the wireless card added would cost me $1,200, rounded down from $1,259 as courtesy and loyalty discount for being a long time RJTech customer. Add the $600 CPU and $100 RAM and reuse my 250GB 7200.4 and install my retail copy of Seven Ultimate and I have a complete notebook for ~$1,900. And the fact still stands that I sold my M570TU for $2,000 so I'm technically making money off buying a new notebook. Yes, I am avoiding the notorious California sales tax by having it shipped to my old man's leisure lounge in Las Vegas, but I think that's worth the wait to save that much money.

 

Glad you made a call, it's not easy to do! You can still come over here and hang out if you want, we won't kick you out for being a 15 inch-er..

 

Nice man That's a lot of saved money. I'm planning on the same thing but I have to wait for the 902XM on ebay though, so no luck for me now.

 

Keep your eyes peeled. They should be around the corner sometime in mid November at earliest.

 

Yup. You're going with the HyperX on Newegg? What do you think about the GTX 285M, not worth waiting?

 

Yes, I will be going to for HyperX kit on Newegg if Kingston's online store does not have it back in stock. It should be about the same price anyway.

If it comes out, then I will upgrade to it and sell off my GTX 280M to a lucky person in the Marketplace, or to a M980NU, M17x, or M15x user that needs one. And just like the person that bought my beloved 9800M GTX, they would get my card in a Pelican case.

 

Ah. Is it simple to remove the copper casing of GPUs in Clevos?

 

No. It is very, very complex.

 

Right, gotcha again

 

Seconded..I still bounce back and forth between the two, basically the same computer other than screen size...my 17 inch is enroute..changed to 17" to get delivery on time but.. gonna miss it..will have to forward. Other than delivery, what changed me to the 17" was OC ability for the 920, could not see paying for a 920 and not being able to OC..even if only 16% faster....if I could not overclock I would have changed to the 820, which performance wise is similar and much cheaper.

Hopefully the gurus can solve the OC issue with the W860 (bios flash) for our brethren (and sisteren) on the other side then no real difference.

Oh ya, stayed with single SLC SDD OCZ Agility EX for the second bay (vs Raid 0), and did buy the HyperX 1600 (XMP Ready) as I didn't hear back from anyone. Hopefully I can tighten the timing to CAS 5, not sure if XMP is preset for that at 1333 or not, may have to figure out manually.

Now the wait for the next gen GPU somewhere on the horizon....

 

i have a question, does the W870 support XMP memory? if i recall, the only OC option is the multiplier (1-4x). correct me if im wrong. will be great to find out if the memory timings can be fiddled around too.

 

Soviet, could you elaborate?

 

He was being sarcastic.

 

yeah, u gotta get used to SS, he is sarcastic from time to time. gotta read between the lines mate.

 

I think we most all agree that the W860CU is the best choice out there for a 15' form factor. Great choice! Can't wait for your at least mini review of it!

 

Thanks to all for this fantastic thread. I'm hopefuly getting a W870 next week!! The info here has been instrumental in helping me make key choices. When my current 3 year old system started developing LCD problems I was given the choice of a LCD repair @ $750 or going for my 4th laptop in 12 years ... a no brainer for me At that time the W870/W860 was announced so I decided to wait on it and use the time to research and troll. Besides Windows 7 was coming too.

I already have 17" 8+ pounder which I transport daily to/from the office and on planes when I travel so staying with a 17" re size and weight was not a large issue especially since I wanted to go RAID 0 this time. My usage, aside from hating to wait on a computer to do *anything* is video processing with occasional gamming. The config is:

W870CU
i7 920XM
2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-1333
GTX 280M
2 X25M Gen 2 SSDs in Raid 0

I'm spending slightly less than I did on my previous laptop. For those dollars I'm moving from a T2600 to a i7/PM55, moving from DDR2-667 to DDR3-1333, moving from a Go 7950 GTX to GTX 280 and to SSD Raid 0. Sweet!

My risk here is the SSDs in Raid 0. I expect (hope?) to get good results when processing large video files but after considerable research I've conluded I may have to reformat the array to recover SSD performance at some future date. Windows 7 TRIM and the recent X25M Gen 2 firmware are good news but Intel Storage Manager and the Intel SSD tool seems to be lacking SSD RAID support ... If anybody has any further insight into this issue or experience to share that would be much appreciated ... I figure if I'm not happy with the SSDs in RAID 0 for whatever reason I'll take a step back form it and get along without RAID 0.

So while I'm waiting I put together some tests to show what this new system will do for me. These are video processing tasks that are either heavy disk read with moderate CPU (loading many HD clips for editing) or demanding CPU with disk reads and writes (concat of edited HD clips with format conversion). These tasks presently take from 3 to 8 minutes and I'll be able to reproduce them on the W870 for a real world user experience comparison down to the second ... with luck I'll post the results here in a week.

BTW I'm dealing with Eurocom. They have been price competative and also providing good service to date. It's my 2nd transaction with them and I have no complaints or issues so far.

Thanks to all again!

 

Good luck! Eurocom has gotten some heat around here recently, and I hope your order comes out just fine! Please let us know your about your latest experience with them.

 

Please don't go with Eurocom It's PCMW-in-the-making.

 

I'm really not qualified to speak to your RAID concerns/questions, but it looks like Intel has retracted their X25-M G2 Toolbox and TRIM firmware update, as it was causing some major headaches for some people after they updated. Hopefully this issue will be resolved by the time you get your lapop though, best of luck on your order and hopefully everything goes smoothly in dealing with Eurocom.

(Source: Engadget, includes links to Intel's former download page and the support forum page.)

 

Any notebook will accept XMP memory, but since no notebook has an XMP enabled BIOS, it is impossible to gain access to overclocking or timing controls on the memory firmware and it will just boot with standard JEDEC settings. In short, it is the same as buying value RAM.

 

For those getting just one hard drive you should be getting a kit as seen below for installing a second one for those who are interested.

 

Thanks bh! That was my plan, as I've got an extra 7200 320gb laying around. I'm just going to make that drive 0, and move the included 250GB to drive 1. Save me a bit of moola.

 

that was what i meant, as in BIOS support for XMP memory. if what you say is true, that no laptop BIOS out there, including the spanking new W870 will support XMP timing controls, then why bother going for XMP memory kits? kinda throwing $ down the drain dont you think? or is there something im not aware of?

 

cheers mate. thanks for the pics. hopefully other resellers will be generous enough to include those kits