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    *** Official Clevo P570WM | P570WM3 / Sager NP9570 Owners Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by jclausius, Feb 5, 2013.

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    Yes that's correct, the only way to be sure is to increase the speed until performance goes down, though on mobile cards I have found they become unstable more first.
     
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    nice mod, thanks.

    Do you think is there anyway to get nvidia surround working on mobile GPUs? based on nvidia website it is only available for Desktop versions.
    I talked to slv7 but he said he can't help.
     
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    If you daisy chain your DP1.2 port into two 1080p screens and use one HDMI 1080p screen it should automatically force surround due to it being SLI and that's how SLI works. At least, as far as I know. Nobody has presented information contrary to this to me in almost a year since I wrote that SLI guide.
     
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    I have three screens, I don't use a wrap around although I could, I know I am running k5000m's but I know I can not get three screens running if I try and use the DVI-I port. I run the hdmi out and the DP out to run two screens besides the onboard screen. I could add more screens but only through the daisy chain method from a daisy chain supported monitor of equal or lesser resolution. May not be exactly the same for GTX cards.
     
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    You can hook up 3 60hz 1080p displays to the DP and run them as a single monitor as far as Nvidia is concerned.
     
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    Thanks guys. In fact I didn't want to purchase something extra :)
    My old Asus G73 with one ATI vga could surround 3 lcds without any fancy adapters. this is the least I expected from SLI vga.
     
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    Open Question:
    I am not a huge gamer anymore; recently (last year or so) I have played Assassins Creed Black flag, and Shadow of Mordor. I was looking for some suggestions from you all here. I liked Assassins Creed fairly well (finished it), but Shadow of Mordor is a huge cycle of just killing orcs and the like so far, actually really boring. I remember a game that I really liked back in the day called Freelancer. Even though it was not the incredible graphics that we have today, it was very cool for its time. I looked into this title and found that the original creator has never had means to create a second series to Freelancer. Anyways, I would like to have some suggestions from the crowd here as I would like to purchase a new game this next month, but I don't really care for first person shooters that much (last one I played was Ghost recon), I mean I have been to war already, not really interested in more at this point. Adventure, Space, flying, ship battles incredible graphics are more up my ball park..lol
    Thanks
     
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    Elite: Dangerous
    Star Citizen (if you can get into their betas)
    Dark Souls
    Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin
    Dragon Age: Inquisition
    Legend of Grimrock

    These should give you some fun. The first two are great graphics, spaceships and spaceship combat. The last four are more RPG style, and each fine games in their own right. Only Dragon Age has real great graphics though.
     
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    @D2 Ultima, cool man thanks I will check into those, thanks for the recommendations and info!

    Elite: Dangerous, looks very cool!
    Ah its ONLINE only.....that sucks for me, I don't like to play online that much...but I guess I might try it out, says it has a solo mode but still online...... D2 do you play this, pros/cons?
     
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    Just ordered some more Liquid ultra, and some JunPus DX-1, which has a thermal conductance of 16 W/m-k, and thermal impedance or .05 CM^2/W, seems even better than the D9000 that I used before, worth giving it a try. Also, I am going back to direct contact to Hydro cooler(removing heat-sink completely), and I will attempt to mount cooler #2 to my graphics card#1, got an AC unit to assist in my endeavor to break 5.0GHz. Should be able to start mod in a few days after I receive pastes.

    Just for others information liquid ultra has a thermal conductivity of 82.0 W/(m*K)!!
    Have not been able to find the thermal impedance of liquid ultra thou.
     
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    Unfortunately I do not have either space game nor Dragon Age. I can confirm the other three are playable offline to completion without issue however. As far as I remember it, Elite: Dangerous was supposed to have a single player mode, but I know not what will happen there. I know Star Citizen will have Single Player, but no idea when that will be added in.
     
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    Thank D2 Ultima, appreciate the response and info. I think I will try out elite dangerous after the first of the month.
     
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    Well my $1400 worth of GPUs is now shipped out for experimental modding, woot?
     
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    Sounds pretty cool. What are you having done to them? 980m's?
     
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    Adding in the 3 MOSFETs.
     
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    and what do they do?
     
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    They step down the input voltage (say 12 volts) down to the level the core needs (1 volts) and have to deal with the higher associated current. They are controlled by the chip on the back of the PCB to keep them in balance and produce the smoothest power delivery possible.

    [​IMG]

    Here are the characteristics of the chips used, as you can see, during normal loading they are very efficient, however since I am pushing them far over to the right efficiency drops. I hope to help reduce heat output by dragging back the loading on each to the left and increasing the effective total cooling area.
     
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    and who do you pay for add mosfet?
     
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    I am using a BGA repair shop :)
     
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    I am a huge FPS fan. Anything in the Crysis franchise (especially Crysis 3), Battlefield franchise (especially 3 and 4), Call of Duty franchise: (especially Advanced Warfare and Ghosts), and anything thing else with an offline single-player run and gun mayhem without a lot of boring storyline or puzzles makes me happy.
     
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    I'm playing through the homeworld 1 remastered campaign at the moment.
     
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    Homeworld 1 re-mast that looks promising as well, thanks
     
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    It runs really well, already been salvaging the enemy :D
     
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    Heck, my laptop is working right now, while im on the xboxone playing destiny. Work and playing that game have taken it's toll on my free time.

    Waiting to hear how meakers project turns out though.
     
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    Ohhh Density. How you take the lives of our gamers.

    Yes I manually typed Density.
     
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    Well it's at the shop so hopefully the work will not take too long :)
     
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    Will Dell also use similar BGA repair shops when motherboard, GPU and processor fails? All new Alienware laptops use motherboards with soldered hardware that needs to be fixed. :rolleyes: :D
     
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    It's tricky because obviously the boards are more expensive with everything on but also more expensive to test. It could just be test, replace and throw away.
     
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    That seems to be the product model with BGA... disposable trash. Ironic that the "green" idiots are creating extra electronics waste, but we know it's their religion agenda and not the outcome that matters for these cuckoo tree huggers.
     
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    Mr Fox don't even make me start.. Here the damm EU has banned high powered vaccum cleaners to save electricity.. Yeah sure, now it takes 2-3 times longer and uses even more power with the lower powered vaccum cleaners..

    Don't even make me start about those useless energy efficiency bulbs.. Takes 2 minutes to light up properly.. They even want to ban halogen bulbs now.. Nutters..
     
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    Dell use refurbished motherboard to repair laptops that have problem with the motherboard. What now ? :p
     
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    It takes three days to explain the stupidity. But I still can not understand the purpose. In Norway we produce electricity of the hydropower to the oil platforms that are offshore to produce (pump up) the gas that is exported overseas. We can not use the gas from the oil platforms to make electricity to pump(make) the gas that will be sold. Customers of the gas in other countries produce electricity of the same gas, which is then sent back to Norway.
     
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    They have to do it that way so the monarchs get their wallets filled up, along with government coffers to pay for all of the regulators and their pet projects.

    Any time you have government regulation and special interest lobbying going on things are going to be messed up. Good things can only thrive in an uncontrolled, deregulated environment were literally everything is driven by competition and every player involved is trying to one-up the other with a product that is to die for. Dog-eat-dog and cut-throat business is where the real magic happens and consumers win. As soon as they start working together and cooperating we have conspiracy and mediocrity. That's why we have stupid BGA crap, too.
     
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    You see what is happening now when Nvidia and laptop manufacturers cooperating. Everything gets worse.
     
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    Yup! ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS be careful about cooperation. It always makes me highly suspicious of impropriety. This OFTEN leads to corruption and deception. It sounds good to have cooperation, and it is good for some things, but not where business self-interests, money and market/customer control are concerned. That is called collusion, fraud and federal antitrust law violation.
     
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    Which is why I never get brand loyalty, being loyal and hoping for the other "side" to loose just hurts yourself in the long run.
     
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    Amen to that, bro! Brand loyalty can only be as strong as the results the brand delivers. Take results out of the equation and brand is meaningful only to brainless fanboys. The 2015 Alienware notebook product line is probably the best example of this I have seen in a long time... pathetic products, yet the fanboys are still opening their wallets. To a lesser extent, the MSI Titan BGA turdbook. Awesome GPUs and a nice keyboard can't fix the flawed CPU, but still plenty of Kool-Aid to go around. Truth be told, I really want them all to be awesome products, but I'm not going to pretend the naked emperor is wearing a magnificent robe just because of the brand. Almost hitting the mark (i.e. MSI Titan) only counts in a game of horseshoes.
     
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    I agree about the collusion, that is: In Alaska you can not buy Alaskan gasoline or diesel. The "Alaskan company" Tesoro, has to ship oil to Anacortes Washington, refine it and send it back to Alaska for consumption, even though there is a refinery in Alaska, those fuels get exported directly to Asia, So every time fuel is transferred it is re-taxed with a transfer tax. So in the boat in valdez(tax one) off the boat in Anacortes(tax two), on the boat as gasoline in Anacortes(tax three), off the boat in Alaska as gasoline(tax 4), in to the tanker truck in Alaska (tax five), in to the holding tankes at the station (tax six), in to a commercial vehicle holding more than 100 gallons (tax seven). So it is taxed and retaxed six to seven times before you can buy it....that is completely a colluded and sick type of economics. Completely anti free market in every way. And people wonder why the fuel in barrow or other islands is typically over $6-$8/gallon. Its a huge conspiracy to collect more money...unfortunately it works. Oh maybe I just needed to vent on here...sorry for the divergence...lol
     
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    It's not entirely on-topic, but it does have a relation to the extent that overreaching government influence is having an effect on technology and pushing the fabricated "need" for energy efficient computers. That fabrication is undeniable, and it is a shame that it affects us. It's all lies designed to generate a money-making crisis and produce cash flow where there should not be any. That story on the Alaskan oil is a great example.

    It's like the old news flash about hammers that cost the government $100 and toilet seats that cost $600. The lamestream media intentionally painted a picture that was designed to make the administration at that time look bad. When it was broken down, the hammer itself was about $2.98 initially. Once all of the red tape was analyzed, it was about 20 different allocations that made the hammers cost $100 each... marketing, travel, training, general administration, facilities, storage, transportation, safety courses and other ludicrous and unnecessary overhead costs. I cannot imagine how much of a "bargain" that same $100 hammer might appear to be today, but the lamestream media isn't searching for ways to make the current administration look bad. All we hear about is the stuff they can spin into something that sounds good.

    Now, here come all of the energy efficiency Nazis... we need to have low-TDP CPUs and pathetic computers because we're all going to die if gamers keep having laptops with Extreme CPUs and big AC adapters. They need to be all BGA mounted so we cannot upgrade to components that use more power. The firmware needs to be signed by Micro$haft to protect us from ourselves, and overclocking needs to be blocked not only so we don't use more than our fair share of electricity, but also so we don't add heat to the atmosphere that accelerates global warming. If we all start to overclock, that will require more petroleum based fuels to run generators that pollute the air, more hydro-electric dams that make it harder for salmon to spawn, and we all know that salmon not being able to spawn without taking a detour through man-made locks and ladders causes irreversible damage to the ozone layer. If Al Gore had not created the internet, we would not even know about these serious dangers to the planet.

    Well, that "free healthcare" is 225% more expensive than the evil private health insurance, but hey... it's for a good cause, right? And the uninsured continue to be uninsured because the fines imposed by the IRS (yes, the IRS,) are 400% less than the premiums. But, man alive! Check out those new Alienware laptops. They are 35% thinner and lighter, and 175% more energy efficient than the previous models, and you get all that for the same price! Glory be to Dell, peace on earth, pip pip, cheerio and all that rot.
     
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    Lol this got political quick.

    Mostly I believe its because it's cheaper to produce a single type of package for markets rather than two. None of it really is for the sake of energy or a conspiracy, it's corperate control of the market and segmentation along with bottom lines.
     
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    Hahaha, I guess so, got my TIM in today, should be checking out 5Ghz by this weekend I hope!
    Since the internet will now be a utility, can I sell my bandwidth (when not in use) back to the utility companies like electricity? Sorry if this is controversial too!! lmao
     
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    5GHz? On a laptop? Were you one of those people Intel hired to overclock that Alienware that one time?
    [​IMG]
     
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    5Ghz disabling 3 out of 4 cores is not so hard on the alienware front ;)

    6 core 5Ghz is helped a lot by strapping an external water cooling setup on it :)
     
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    I will also be attempting a surface mount to GPU1 with hydro cooler #2., if I can find a way...... I hit 4.9 Ghz awhile ago I reposted it a couple pages back, was never able to get a boot beyond that.
     
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    Obviously solder on more VRMs to mobo and shove that thing down some 1.5v *insert previous trollface*
     
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    cpu degration soon, but at that time maybe x101 with skylake E comes out and im jumping to desktop, with battery packs in them :)
     
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    @unityole , maybe it will degrade, but we will never know if we never try. Should be noted that thermal throttling is not the problem when trying to boot to 5.0GHz.
     
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