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Doesn't matter anyway. It's in a socket, so who cares? I've never understood all the drama around CPU degradation. I think it is misappropriated and unnecessary worry. Just burn it out, have fun while it lasts and then buy another one. It takes time for that to occur. My 3920XM and 2920XM have been ridden hard and put up wet for a long time and they still rock hard.

The nice thing is that we don't have to be bound by BGA feces like the new bubble-gum gamer Alienware and the MSI Titan turdbooks.

 

It's mostly under LN2 that it degrades in hours

 

Well the key here to success will be the hydro coolers plus a very good AC unit for which I will attempt to isolate the flow to the bottom of the machine, also getting good ram-sink cooling on the Vrms, right now I am trying to design the box that will control and isolate the flow pattern to fuse with the machine and the hydro coolers seamlessly, or as possible.

 

Going to have to disagree. Cpus do not degrade in hours under ln2.

 

well if u get a cherry chip and killing it by OC too high then theres no point. may as well make it last. also cpu degrade because too high of a temp or too much voltage/leak i think so even if temperature is fine if too much voltage applied it'll still die.

 

Also to add...

Intel will allow you to get a brand new chip using the Intel over clock warranty. Something like 25 bucks. So no need to spend 500 to 1k, when the next chip will cost you 25 bucks.
Now will it be a decent sample? Who knows.

Most don't even know that....

 

Yeah, I wonder how many people have awesome K, X and XM/MX CPUs, don't even know they have a chip that is binned better than most, and waste them in machines running stock clocks, LOL... versus the people that want and would use the ones that are binned really well.

 

To all of the P570WM(3) owners, but especially those in the US: Why is this machine so hard to find? Clevo still lists it as an active model on their website, so it can't be an issue of it no longer being supported...or can it? I see many of you upgrading the machine, modding the machine...so what gives? If the P770ZM is it's replacement, then I'd rather get the P570WM, as it will blow the doors off of the P770ZM. True, the P570WM is dead-ended at V2 Xeons, but even if the next 1150 cpu is compatible - or even available - for the P770ZM, it won't be able to hold a candle to the P570WM. I've been waiting for a true replacement to your excellent machine, like an X99 platform, but it doesn't look like it's in the cards.

So back to my original question: why is it no longer offered by most US resellers? Malibal still sells them, as does Eurocom, and one can be found here and there on ebay...but why is it no longer sold by the vast majority of vendors?

 

Clevo sell it but sager do not. Since sager is the main supplier in the US it is hard to find.

 

@zdroj , have you tried m-tech laptops? They still sell P570wm in US I think.

 

Whatever you do, do not buy from Malibal.

As for why Sager no longer sell them, it likely has to do with the number of buyers. Similarly to why the 120Hz panels likely left production, and why I've never seen anyone else online who owns a P370SM3 other than myself.

Eurocom seems to just sell everything currently in production under the gaming tier or higher, I think. Their benefit.

 

Sager buy in bulk batches from clevo, with no official 980m support and lack of demand they decided not to order another batch of np9570 systems.

 

If there's no official 980M support, how does Eurocom sell it with 980Ms? Do they modify the BIOS themselves? And for that matter, does Sager *not* modify clevo BIOSes?

 

They could have added it yes but that's still development money as commercial bios files from the likes of sager have to be signed off properly. Clevo themselves does not support it AFAIK.

 

From out of the shadows, Prema appears with that knowing smile that leaves us half-guessing if his magic reaches far and wide

 

First, I would be remiss...Nay! It would be sacrilegious!...If I did not bow down and exclaim with all due reverence: ALL HAIL PREMA!!!

*Eh hem*...Now...as far as Eurocom VGA upgrades are concerned:

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/vgas(1)ec

Scroll down to the bottom for the P570WM upgrades...pricey...but available!

OMG!! Takaezo, I went to M-Tech's website! HOLY CR...umm...TOLEDO!!! I know the cost of admission to the P570WM club is steep...but when that price is steeper than Eurocom's, you just know you better run away as fast as you can and not look back!

Btw...I love your sig pic. I've been lurking this forum for quite a few years...drooling...envious...and I hate to say it...waiting for bad news about this machine. It never came; and what's more, owners like you have shown the ridiculous potential this machine has. And although I would never take modding the machine to the wonderful extremes that you have, I want into the club...yeah, I'm afraid I'll be kicking myself should an X99 or future chipset variant be released...but I'm planning on handing-down my Dell M6600 to my son...and I WANT THIS!!

 

This is exceedingly late, but I forgot to mention something. The stuff that's greyed out for me (such as core voltage adaptive/static) is change-able if I adjust the respective slider. At "default" this option remains greyed out. The only thing that appears to be 24/7 fully greyed out is reference clock, which might be as Octiceps pointed out to me as a result of my computer's CPU not being a MX model, because changing bclk kills turbo boost, apparently. I'd need to ask Ethrem to see if he could adjust the bclk multiplier on his 4940MX to truly see whether my CPU is at fault.

The stuff that's missing, such as PEG mode and control for the graphics on my CPU is because I have no ability to access my iGPU at all, and thus those modes are worthless, unlike on your M18x and AW18 models

 

@D2 Ultima, although I am using 3970x, when ever I see grayed out stuff in XTU is when it has been corrupted, and starts to hang, as it interferes with the bios overclocking, Haven't seen this problem in a while though. Prior to using the prema bios to OC, the stock bios had almost everything in XTU grayed out. Just my two cents/sense.

@zdroj, I am not sure what you mean by way expensive, as those prices have actually come down from when I purchased several years ago now, I configured two identical systems on both m-tech and eurocom website, they are literally $50 apart in price! so I am not sure what you mean. Here is a couple screen shots of those prices..


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I am not implying that it is cheap, just that prices are fairly even across the board. Also I would have purchased from m-tech, however they did not have their models ready to go at launch, I mean $50 to buy from an American company seems reasonable. Also if you notice that m-tech only lists 1866 MHz ram on their site because there is no one able to run the factory 2133 yet, To me this means that they are more conscious and responsible about their products. Not nocking eurocom here, just seems that their marketing and manufacturing are not in synchronization.

Given what I know now, I would purchase a bare bones one and save money for installing components my self. Including software......

 

With a prema bios you can run 2133mhz, which I believe at least some are

 

I was specifically referring to my XTU screenshot from above the post I quoted, where Mr. Fox had everything unlocked in his Alienware's screenshot. But I had things like adaptive/static core voltage, etc that were greyed out. I was saying that those become unlocked if I move their corresponding sliders from "default" (I.E. if I adjust "core voltage" from default to 1.2v, I get to select "static" voltage or "adaptive" voltage on the core. But as long as core voltage is on "default", even if I use the dynamic CPU voltage offset, I'll never have the option to choose adaptive or static voltage on the core)

 

If there is I have not seen any...doesn't mean there isn't but haven't heard anyone anywhere saying they are using this, when I see a screen shot of 4x2133 I might start believing it, I search online pretty thorough I thought, trying to find any info on it, even wrote to eurocom, haven't heard back about the 2133 MHz ram......Mr. Fox failed to get more than 16 GB x2133 running.......if I am incorrect please someone correct me.
Thanks

 

Are you talking about 32GB specifically because I am running 4x 4gb at 2133mhz 10-10-10-24-105

 

yes, specifically 32GB of stock 2133

didn't know you are running 4 x 4gb 2133

 

Thanks for price comparing Takaezo; you didn't have to do that...I know it took some time and I appreciate it. And as a side note, I envy many of you guys for being able to spend that much, and more with mods!

As for the barebones route, that was my first thought as well. Google searches don't seem to give me anything viable, and the only place that I expected to be selling them (RJTech) doesn't even list them anymore..which I also found curious. Perhaps it just isn't worthwhile for them to do so based upon the lack of consumer demand.

So what I had done, prior to your mentioning M-Tech, is put together this quote from Eurocom that, to me, represented a barebones setup...all for the low, low price of US$2799:). Mind you, it's not exactly what I want, but it gets me into the club with a good screen and one 970M. I already have 32GB GSkill; I have SSD's; I have a blu-ray burner. Yeah, I'm not thrilled with the processor choice, but I would be saving-up for some Xeon V2 goodness...in a year...if the wife doesn't find out. And with Eurocom's 10% student discount, I could get it for US$2519;):

System and Display
EUROCOM Panther 5 Mobile Supercomputer
Choose your LCD Display
17.3-inch (43.9cm); FHD 1920x1080;GLOSSY (Glare); 90% NTSC; AUO B173HW01 V.4; 500:1; LVDS; Backlight LED
Processor / CPU
3.60GHz (up to 3.90); Intel Core i7-3820;4C/8T;10MB L3; 5GT/s; FCLGA2011; 32nm; 130W
VGA / GPU Graphics Options
6GB GDDR5; NVIDIA GTX 970M (N16E-GT); 1280 CUDA; GPU/VRAM Clock 924MHz/2500MHz; Maxwell (28nm); MXM 3.0b; 81W
Memory (RAM) Configuration - Fully Upgradeable
16GB; 2x 8GB; DDR3L-1600 PC-12800; 204pin; Micron; 1.35V - 2 SODIMMs
Biometric Fingerprint Device
Built-in Fingerprint Reader
Embedded Security Chip
Embedded TPM 1.2 Security Chip for Data Encryption
DisplayPort Adapters, Cables and Converters
None - choose from the options below:
USB 3.0 Ports
Built-in 3x USB 3.0 and 2x USB 2.0 Ports
1st Hard Drive. Choose Regular, Solid State or Hybrid Drive:
500GB; 7200rpm; SATA3 6Gb/s; Hitachi Z7K500 Travelstar; 7mm
Internal Card Reader
9-in-1 Card Reader; MMC/RSMMC; SD/MiniSD/SDHC/SDXC; MS/MS Pro/MS Duo
Optical Drive
8x Multi DVD +-RW/-RAM Burner; Dual Layer; Tray Load; SATA; w/ Software
Choose Your Keyboard (Language)
Backlit; English; USA/Canada; QWERTY
Operating System(s)
None - Choose from the options below for Pre-install or install your own
Office and Business Productivity Software
None - Choose from the options below
Wireless LAN
2-in-1; 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + Bluetooth 4.0;Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260; 7260HMW
TV Tuner (Internal and/or External)
None - Choose from the options below
ExpressCard Slot for External PCI Express Devices
Built-in ExpressCard/54 slot - Choose EC/34 or EC/54 Adapter
Built-in Web Camera
2.0 Megapixels; FHD 1920x1080; 30fps
Built-in Subwoofer
Built-in Subwoofer Module
Standard Battery (internal)
Panther series Polymer Smart Li-Ion battery; 78.44Wh
Standard AC Adapter
330W AC Adapter; Auto-switching; 100-240V; 50-60Hz; DC 19.5V @ 16.9A
Standard Power Cord - included
USA / Canada
Choose Your Warranty Plan
2 Years Return to Factory Depot with 2 Years of Tech Support

@D2 Ultima: Thanks for the Malibal warning. I haven't heard much about them...can you briefly enlighten me further as to your recommendation (besides their prices)?

 

@zdroj, remember to account for the 10% when comparing it to other prices for components and the like, you may be able to get some items actually cheaper this way, I also used the 10% student discount when I purchased my machine, I saved a good chunk when I did that. I just mean that you may want to just get a cheep graphics card and the better processor for now, at least that is what I wish I had done. I originally ordered with a xeon CPU as well, but at the time they could not figure out the proper system settings for the xeon they tested in mine, so I went with the next best thing, 3970x (at that time).......and maybe the present too, lol, could be even better if I can de-lid the sucker. If you can afford it, I would be looking at maxing out one of the two components to begin with, the CPU or GPU/s, but hey if you can only do what you can do at any given economic footprint, I was fortunate I had a small windfall right before I purchased, this was the only reason I could reasonably afford it at the time, I saw some barebones on ebay a while back, but still your talking $2500+

 

Perhaps you are right, Takaezo...if i go for one (1) 980M with the i7-3820, the price goes to US$3067...minus 10%...= ~US$2760. If I then drop the processor to a Xeon E5 1620, it goes to US$2990...minus 10%...=US$2691. I just wish Eurocom had an option for less memory, though...I don't need 16GB of 1600, when I have 32GB 2133 sitting here unopened (thought I would be putting it into a P770ZM...but I have soured on that machine for a few reasons).

Decisions...decisions...

 

@zdroj the reason I don't recommend Malibal is because of a huge spat on these forums and a lot of strong-arming and pettiness that took place a good while ago. They have banned users from their website who were still under warranty for simple complaints about not sending what was required among many other things. If they've changed since then, that's all well and good, but I'm not going to take that chance and I wouldn't let any user take that chance.

Same reason I bad-talk the Killer cards. I don't care if 10 users get it working by updating their BIOS or being lucky, if a further 5 get ridiculous amounts of problems with them, the cards suck. I rather someone get a 99% chance of success than a 67% chance, especially under my recommendation.

 

Thanks for the info, D2 Ultima...I didn't know any of that about Malibal. And, I didn't know anything about the killer cards, either. Are the Intel 7260's the way to go? Are they available and reasonably priced as a user replacement?..because I've also been thinking about this system: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CLEVO-P5...099?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item19f9d06f0b
Not crazy about the 780M, but the 3D screen and 4960X are enticing...as is the price, especially if one builds a Panther 5D with these options. Do the 970M and/or 980M support 3D? I ask this because they are not options for Eurocom's Panther 5D...seems they only offer the 680, 780, and Quadros.

 

how are you guys getting above the 135mhz locked clockson the 980m, modified vbios?, whats the trick, i have a MSI (turdbrick ) i could use the mod

 

You can use svl7's BIOS over at Tech Inferno. I don't know if Prema's vBIOS would work.

 

I use prema's vbios for my scores.

 

Anyone know for sure?

 

Go to tech inferno and the maxwell unlocked BIOS thread

 

@zdroj , So you can actually send eurocom your unopened ram, and they will install it for you along with any software that you would like them to install......or at least they offered to install my own hard drives for me, although I declined. If they are saying they are installing 32GB of 2133 stock, I would go for that because no one here can get more than 16GB of 2133 stock ram running AFAIK.
Also you should try and stick with the very top end of one or the other, makes more sense to me. Personally AFAIK the xeons are completely locked and can not be unlocked, so unless you can afford the very best one at 150 watts seems that it would be futile endeavor, unless your going to run your machine as a server, where as the i7-4960x and the 980m's are un-lockable. Prema/Meaker correct me if I am incorrect, Thanks.
Also remember that Mr. fox is having very good luck with the k series CPU, it is only inched out by the 4960x by a little bit, at half the price or more.

 

Did you get your pimped cards back , yet?

 

The work is finished, they will be shipping back hopefully tomorrow, if not the day after.

 

in regards to discounts, i just found out our company provides me 30% off dell machines.. but those soldered b.s. OMG

 

I am hoping to be able to tweak the card without it shutting down in the 1.175V range, that or nothing

 

So your going to try and under-volt in order to overclock? I don't know what the standard voltage is for the Maxwell cards.

 

Ladies and Gentleman, we have lift off!, got the other thermal paste in the mail today. Should be fun the next day trying to get everything together to hit the 5.0GHz mark. The top is the specs for the DX-1, which I have never tried, I used the D9000 before, but this is supposed to be better based on the specs. These specs are better than IC diamond and on par with IC diamond 24.

 

Good luck! I still say CLU overlord.

 

Well the DX-1 is for back up, because the liquid ultra is small quantity, and if I make any mistakes I may need more TIM. For which the DX-1 may be required. Its insurance, can't afford to buy that much liquid ultra right now. lol

 

Buy 10 tubes Liquid ultra so perhaps you get a big discount ..

 

1.05V is standard, 1.2v is max.

 

The cards..... They live

Now I have to wait to get home to actually test rather than just boot them lol.

 

Well, I successfully mounted one cooler to the GPU1 heat-sink, .....but...........I destroyed the 3970X because I cut a little to deep while deliding the sucker. I know how to delid now though..........will be real easy to delid the next one, but it also sucks that I destroyed this one by shearing off a couple of the small pins that stick out under the lid. I even soldiered them back......nope, not gonnn do it. Will be awhile before I can afford a new CPU..so in the mean time I will be using my slow-poe M15x alienware :-((.....we never know until we try.....maybe I can find an abused 3970x and run it for cheep for awhile.

 

I take it your mobo revision does not support 4xxx cpus?

 

Uhm... not sure, I thought all C600 series mobo's supported ivy CPU's. I would consider a k series for the right price...Why wouldn't I be able to go to the i7-4xxx series?

 

Gee, I thought I would get more condolences for my 4.9GHz performer from my peers here on NBR....lol o well working on finding a replacement