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    *** Official Clevo P570WM | P570WM3 / Sager NP9570 Owners Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by jclausius, Feb 5, 2013.

  1. Mr. Fox

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    That actually matters more than people realize. Depending on how a person sets up the AC cooling, you can easily keep them chilly along with the CPU and GPUs. Standing them up on their narrow edge instead of laying them flat on their rubber bumpers so they can breathe also helps. Distributing the load among multiple AC adapters also helps, even if you are not maxing out the capacity of one.

    As far as all that other stuff goes, I don't really care about it. Those ratings don't mean anything to me. I take a simpler view of the situation: The AC adapter either works right or it doesn't. It either pumps out the power I need it to, or it doesn't. If it doesn't perform like it should, it's worn out and it needs to be replaced.
     
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    I did always keep mine on a cool hard surface and in free air. Don't put them behind the vents for instance ;)
     
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    Best answer yet.

    Either it works or it doesn't.
     
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    Well it might impact the top overclocks by supplying less smooth power.
     
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    Let me think about that for a moment.....Nope!

    :D
     
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    Voltage regulation will vary with temperature.
     
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    Not enough for you to ever know im afraid....
     
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    Depends what we are talking, maybe for peak and short overclocking runs, but if you want to run it over a long period of time and reduce the stress on the hardware then it becomes a different matter.
     
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    Not really since a desktop you can add far more power than you need. Don't really see you blowing a 1600W psu running one video card maxed out 24/7.
    You buy the right parts for the job, unless you are forced to make due with what you have.

    Edit: Example
    So if you want to overclock this machine then you would have started right out with two from the get go. And since it's really only maybe 3 people max that have actually reached the cut off, two is perfectly fin to run for 99 percent of the people who have this.
     
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    The same general rules apply to running your PSU hot/close to capacity for notebooks or desktops.

    I always tended to over size my notebook PSU setup even if that meant modding the power supply however.
     
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    I guess one day you will have to show me that so i can understand. Because i can work with the worse of conditions and the worse parts and still manage to come out on top
     
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    Going into all the fundamental theory on the impacts of temperatures on the efficiency of electronics as a whole would be going a bit far :p

    It's an interesting topic and all feeds into the fundamentals of electronic engineering.
     
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    skylake-E clevo laptop next thanks
     
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    If there are any Eurocom Reps in here, I'm curious about something:

    When I Google "Eurocom Panther 5", I get results that will lead me to Eurocom configuration screens. I can freely configure a Panther 5 or 5SE (I didn't search for the 5D - and I configured a 5SE to over USD $26K, just for the fun of it), and I can click the order button, which will take me to the order confirmation page. I did notice that the prices were higher than I remember them, even for Eurocom, which leads me to believe that new units are still available for purchase if you know how to find the correct web page (which there is no link for on the product list page - which makes sense if they really need to push the latest models).

    So...are new Panthers still available from Eurocom (at a super premium price)?
     
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    :notworthy:
     
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    Try using a macro shot on your camera. Your shot is pretty hard to look at.

    NEVER bend metal inside a sager/clevo notebook, if you have to then you are doing something wrong.
     
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    Are you saying you had to bend something to remove the heatsink?
     
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    I think he has moved the little closer to the camera so the capacitors get in the way, so rather than move the heatsink up and into its natural position:

    [​IMG]

    He has bent it over the capacitors instead. :/
     
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    It's not sitting in the right place in that photo, the heatsink has shifted position, once it is seated correctly it should all line up (if you can bend it back into shape).
     
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    Now that is interesting...
     
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    That depends on what it looked like before you took it apart.
     
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    from my understanding he had to replace a mobo, donno if thats the new mobo maybe came by default already messed up.
     
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    A shop replaced his motherboard from my understanding. Without knowing how it looked before he took the heatsink off leaves way to many speculations to guess at.
     
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    oh man i dont trust tech computer shops in general. it goes in and come out with something damaged.
     
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    I see that from both sides of the fence. And part of the time it's the end user breaking stuff and acting like it's the manufacture or the computer shops fault.
     
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    look at that ram location, what an awkward place to put a ram lol, that stick runs cooler than most ram lolol
     
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    No other notebook has to deal with 4 channels ;)
     
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    i think its more of an engineering issue rather than 4 channel lol. i mean desktop mobo looks neat n all even if its 4 channel for x99 or x79
     
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    It's a PCB routing issue ;)

    Desktop boards have it easy in comparison as this has a double sided PCB (full on chips both sides) in a tiny area.
     
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    yea maybe, btw i heard the 64gb project is dead cause no details from intel side, but if one were to do bios upgrade to prema's unlocked bios, it can take both ivy-E and sandy-E instead of just sandy-E? or once upgraded its just ivy-E?
     
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    The BIOS will work with either.
     
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    which version is that and where do people get it from, can't seem to find it on first page.
     
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    Runs nice. Thanks, bro. +1.1GHz overclock.

    http://valid.x86.fr/2ziydb

    4.7.JPG

    Time to crank up the AC. Too bad I've only got 780M SLI in here at the moment. It will run 47x6 with less voltage than I needed for 45x6 with the 4930K, so that's awesome.

    16K-Physics.JPG
     
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    Cinebench R11.5 and wPrime @ 4.7GHz
    [​IMG]
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    Only 16P behind :D
     
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    donno why u guys love oc the GPU. i only get excited for extra performance out of CPU for gpu its just meh lol
     
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    Then you should love this one... 'cause it's all about CPU. First place for 780M SLI in 3DMark Vantage.

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5418187

    [​IMG]

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    Old beasts like this still beat the ever loving stuffing out of all the new worthless BGA garbage, LOL.

    The OEMs peddling that pathetic trash should all be ashamed of themselves.
     
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    I will definitely be happy with 6700K in my new Killer-Edition. Do not confuse with 6700HK. LOL
     
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    OEMs are too afraid to deviate from general mass and bent their knees towards intel. in terms of cpu power if u put 8 core in this would dominate even newer machines by quite a long shot, even if clocked at 4ghz only. the only sad part is no 64gb of ram and no pcie ssds and full of sata 6gbps.

    clevo makes a lappy with skylake-E in it, i am jumping in with my paycheques.


    6820HK is trashy cause it can't even go over 40x that aint no overclocking lol. need at least 44x with decent voltage/temp for anything to be worth mentioning.
     
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    @Mr. Fox,

    Is that rainmeter running? Would you be able to send me that skin?

    Here's my current rainmeter setup.
    [​IMG]

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
     
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    Yes, the 6700K is awesome. Best Quad core K series CPU ever made as far as I can tell.

    Anything "HK" or other BGA is pure feces. Smelly, gooey, germy, nasty, covered with flies, make-me-wanna-vomit feces.
    No, that's an AIDA64 sensor panel. Basically, a build-it-yourself sidebar gadget included with AIDA64. It works with all versions of Windows, including the newer versions with crippled sidebar support.
     
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    I have a question about the R15 CPU score. I've noticed on my NP9570 that overclocking the screen even slightly results in a higher score. I was able to gain about 15 points by overclocking from 60Hz to 74Hz. If the CPU score is a pure CPU measure, why would overclocking the screen result in a higher score? Is the screen Hz a bottleneck in this regard?
     
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    u know what i find interesting for p570wm that in it's service manual, main HDD bay it is capable of holding 3 HDD just like m18x r2. picture shown in service manual for HDD cable shows 3 SATA ports however in reality you guys get two. cable look exactly the same, maybe u guys can find one with 3 ports and get 3 HDD in just the primary bay? and then another under battery, last one be in ODD bay.
     
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    No cable exists to do that, I think it was done as there are only 2x SATA III channels from the chipset and thermal management of 3 drives packed so tight together.
     
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    imho thermal management would be alright because mid port would be sata 3gbps and if not raided with the 6gbps it wouldn't be used most of the time. and just get three 7mm problem solved. the fact that manual shown a cable with 3 ports available maybe only in p270wm instead of 570wm? meaker u dealt with this laptop prob know way more about it, im pretty sure at one point it exist.

    also take a look at the caddy in service manual, shown that caddy has 3 rows of screw holes means its for 3 HDD, but again in reality u guys get top and bottom, middle is just metal with no screw holes.

    and for those who are interested, currently have 9.5mm HDD for 2TB, seagate just made a 2TB 7mm. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagte-mobile-hdd-2tb,31212.html
     
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