*** Official Clevo P650RG, P650RE3, P650RE6/Sager NP8658 and NP8657 Owner's Lounge ***

I believe the P653rg-s is just their naming structure, similar to how Sager calls theirs NP8658.

Shouldn't be an MXM and removable battery. Might be just a web error, some how referenced with another model possibly. Also says the category of processor is "desktop processor" which makes me think that might be the case.

 

As pat said, they are just those sellers spins on the clevo naming scheme, it will be the same chassis.

Remember that even in IGP mode the external outputs use the dedicated alone so if you want to use intel quick sync or the like you still can.

 

If I plan mostly on undervolting is there a need to get the unlocked i7-6820HK? is there any other reasons for this chip over the 6700hq?

 

I don't know if I would call myself sensitive, perhaps I am, I'm coming from a fairly ancient laptop, tn panel, but there was obviously no bleed there, so this just stuck out like a sore thumb at me immediately. While I would have liked to have had Sager resolve the issue, it seems like it's inherent in some panels and the manufacturer wont take it back unless it's "really bad", whatever that qualifies as. I've basically resigned myself to it at this point, so I don't really mind getting a new one.

One thing though I wish Sager would do is at least sell me a new panel. I've received one already from a 3rd-party, and it wasn't the one I bought, just got a compatible screen, something I had seen from ton's of other re-sellers and had hoped to avoid with this one. Still looking for someone who can promise to just sell me a new panel of the type they have listed for sale, instead of sending me who knows what. So if you or anyone else perhaps have any leads on that off the top of your head, I would definitely appreciate it.

 

Yeah but the whole point was to get them working together using the onboard display with the dGPU driving it, and the iGPU driving a virtual display. If it were possible it would be cool though.
I'm not really sure how the mobile iGPUs work, I was thinking that they work the same way that the desktop's siblings (in which the "trick" has being confirmed to work), but I'm probably wrong in which case: damn you intel !!! XD

Maybe in the P750DM-G can be done

 

If people can trick the IGP into becoming active then maybe, they are there obviously in desktop and mobile. Mobile does tend to be more sensitive regarding power consumption however so there may be extra measures.

 

Only 2MB of cache, but on real world usage you won't notice it

That kind of power control is most of the time done in software (OS kernel/drivers), the processor is usually not allowed to change power states (Cx states) on its own.
I believe that the OS (windows in this case) just puts the iGPU to sleep and disables the corresponding driver, thus preventing apps from using it, but with the IOMMU (VTd on Intel CPUs) one can pass the "physical" device to the VM (which doesn't know anything about power restrictions) and the VM *should* wake it up when powering up (just like a normal PC).
Well, that's the theory, but since my current CPU does not have VTd (not many consumer CPUs have it) I can't test it

 

I suppose that's right, in a docked notebook PC you can get the IGP to go from the hardware manager or make it come back depending on the display configuration.

I think it should work in that case, just avoid the 6820HK as that does not support VT-D but the 6700HQ does.

 

Actually the 6820HK does support it, look here

The other thing that remains to be confirmed is that VTd in the chipset is not necessary for such a config to work. Intel says that to use VTd all components (CPU, Chipset and BIOS) must support it, but they probably refer to using VTd with all PCI devices, but GPUs in Skylake are directly connected to the CPU, so the chipset should not be needed at all.
Maybe I'm just making castles in the air, but I really hope it works, using Kodi with QuickSync is a big plus

Well, nothing is perfect, I guess that I'll have to reconsider my buying choices again !

 

I run my 6700HQ at a -100mv undervolt and no issues gaming.

 

At what frequency are you running the CPU ? stock or lower ? Probably the undervolting has limited the turbo capacity of the chip but for gaming there should be plenty of power left anyways.

 

Is the cooling solution for the rg the same as the re with just a different bottom plate? Or are the fans and heat sinks deeper too for better cooling?

 

I haven't touched the clock speeds at all. I doubt there is much of any use for turbo during gaming. I have hyperthreadimg disabled too for even furthur cooling and have zero hiccups running full on graphics at 1080p. I strictly game.

 

I believe the cooling is a little bit thicker, and that is why the model with 980m has the thicker bottom panel to accomodate.

 

Given that you are running with lower voltage, by keeping the stock clock you're effectively overclocking it, though not by much. In any case, 4 cores are more than enough for any kind of game at least up until now

 

Wait undervolting limits turbo speed? If it does that suuucks.

 

What turbo does is push the clock up for a time, as long as there is thermal capacity (lower heat -> more turbo) but you just can't push the clock to infinite, to keep the system stable it needs more energy, but being undervolted you've artificially limit the amount of power turbo can use (compared with stock). That's the same principle of overclocking, you can't put the processor to extreme clock speeds with stock voltages.
Technically you'll have turbo, just an slower one XD

Probably the best way to have both things (good turbo + low heat) would be to lower the multiplier, leaving the same voltage, that way the *normal* CPU clock will be lower (lower heat) but when needed you'll also have more thermal capacity (stronger turbo). In this case, you are just letting the processor use the amount of voltage it needs on it's own (that's the way SpeedStep works anyway unless you disable it)

 

darn, noticed a dead/stuck pixels (red) and then noticed another. so theres 2 total, tried to run www.jscreenfix.com but no avail.

any other options?

EDIT:
response from LPC:

Sorry for this issue.

We sent this into the factory tech. They are gone for the day. We should know more tomorrow on this.
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EDIT2:
are these idle temps on startup OK? they seem high...

 

Indeed as above the 6700hq can be under volted no issue.

 

I love the cooling system on this P650RG. The 980M running Crysis 3 Ultra 1080P temps are 157F running stock fan speed and turning it on full speed drops it to 144F. 6700HQ lumbering along at 131F while maintaining 43-53FPS. Very impressed with this hardware!

 

Very nice! it is a beautiful piece of machinery! don't go for the 60+FPS?

 

Hi,

I have got the p650re6 for 2 days now and got a small problem.
When the laptop is plugged in to ethernet/power/hdmi the alumium parts of the laptop electrically vibrate when going over it.
it is not some kind of meganical vibration as the plastic parts are completly vibration/static feeling free.

Anyone else has this problem?

 

Anyone here use hwmonitor?
Just noticed that my GPU shows only 540mhz as max freq.

After 1h of uninstall drivers (got even some weird bug switching to igpu and i had to clear BIOS due no video signal) i realized that stupid hwmonitor doesn t show instant-frequency.

After this i tried gpu-z, that shows normal freq (1050mhz)

Anyone noticed same problem?
Any other good monitorin software?????

 

Which model/GPU do you have?

 

Clevo p650re6 with GTX 970m

 

the new gtx 965m based on GM206 launched for like 1 month ago, could we get it inside the new clevo p650?
@pat@XOTICPC,
~ I want to tag Alex too but cannot find the tag xD

 

Been using sager 8658-s for almost a month. So far no ragrats. Quite an overkill for dota2 and civ games. Would have been a bonus if it had a usb-c port.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

 

Yeah, there is the P65xRA / P67xRA models on Clevo's site. Not sure if there are plans to show up at Sager or not, or who all might be carrying it.

http://clevo.com/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=856&lang=en

But it's just so nice to max all the graphics sliders and have no issues.

 

Just tried to pass iGPU located at 00:02.00 to vbox vm and got the an error. Bummer that the chipset HM170 does not support VT-d. Is there an sku with QM170?

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

 

No, it only ships with the HM chipset.

 

Just used xtu
-100mv and temps dropped -3 -5 C°

Stress test= 64 max on package
CPU 2(hottest) 64
Cpu 3 (coolest) 61
Very happy

 

How much would a keyboard replacement for NP8657 be?

 

You would want to reach out to where you purchased the computer for a price on that probably, or some kind of Clevo dealer. Generally, company reps won't talk about prices in the forums here, so you would want to contact someone directly about it. Might be able to find something otherwise on Ebay or similar sites...

 

I got my Sager NP8658-S/Clevo P650RG today. Man I'm only slowed down by my internet in installing stuff. I'm just about done installing everything. I mean it would have taken me a week on my toshiba laptop. Today I'll do a backup. I speak from bitter experience on the returned MSI. Tomorrow I'll do some exploring on it. I'm pleased with it so far.

 

What MSI model did you return and why? Where did you buy it from?

Sent from my HTC One_M8

 

It was a used MSI Ghost pro 4k but from Amazon. Within a week, the ssd took 3 hour to boot. I took amazon 30 day back guarantee and started looking for a new computer.

 

Ah yeah, you never know with used laptops. They probably swapped out the SSD for a faulty one or a really cheap one.

Sent from my HTC One_M8

 

Is 80C for 980M gpu fine for long term gaming? The middle of the laptop by the speakers is burning hot to touch.

 

80C is well within spec.

 

I have a question about using XTU, I did the same thing you did with great results as well. However, after I installed XTU, my GPU memory clocks would not go higher than 3.2Ghz instead of 5.0Ghz. As soon as I removed XTU, things were back to normal. I have the machine always in discrete GPU mode so there is no hybrid switching/optimus being used. Anyone know why?

 

I'm underclocking -100mv and I'm getting random restarts, think it's the undervolting?

 

I've even seen 84C when the 980M is on a new demanding game. What is the highest gpu temp before I should worry about the heat lessening the life of my laptop or harming other mobo/components if I game A LOT at high temps? I mean is 90C ok? It is winter for me now, but in summer the ambient is going to drive that temp up.

 

That temp seems pretty hot for a 980m in a P650 case. Mine rarely goes much more than 71c and when it does, it throttles at anything over 78c. With turbofan my gpu going full bore never gets over 69c. I would be a little concerned that your vents are clogged with dust or you need new thermal paste applied.

To answer your question though, since its a GM204 chip, I would say anything over 84c is getting too hot since the desktop version don't run any hotter than 83 before throttling sets in.

 

Didn t noticed.... Tomorrow i LL test

 

so again today problem! I need advice.
I describe the situation: in the morning turned off by the button "Start» in windows7, disconnect the cable, put in the table.
in evening : put it on table , click "Start" on the laptop without connecting the power. all indicating lamp does not light.

does not work! Connect the power cord - 2 indicator lights. Battery indicator flashing orange, power indicator - green. butnotebook does not start by press power batton!

Reconnect the power cable - a button "Start" does not work. Reconnect the adapter - he is work!!

BIOS logo start ,then windows started loading, I was away for 5 minutes. came back - keypad backlight is on ,but display - is black. Clicking the mouse and touchpad did not change anything. to pressing at hardware power button does not respond.

reconnect power cable - no reaction. moved the laptop to see the power connection - Display is on and inviting to login .........

what i am doing wrong??

 

Maybe battery cable (internal cable) not correctly plugged?
Try remove back cover,and push cable?

 

thanks.
i did a full discharge 10 days ago. and some time use notebook with battery .
how is possible a bad connection ?
yes , i was install a 2nd SSD and was disconnect a battery . but this Chassis is really not comfy for maintenance ....

 

I have a question for the owners: if the laptop is disconnected from the power supply cable, should the battery indicator lights up? how long ? day ? two?

 

If the machine is off the lights should not be on without the ac cable in.

You could try leaving the battery unplugged but it does sound like you have a hardware issue of some sort. Hard to know what since you were not there.

 

Maybe that battery cable is not plugged completely.
Try remove back cover and push IT a little