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Woow, I'm so angry but also very happy.

My cpu was around 99 degrees when running XTU benchmark and stress test, with awfull thermal throttling. Now I repasted my CPU and GPU with Gelid Extreme it doesn't thottle and it is around 75 degrees. Still need to test my GPU. Gonna do it right now. I just had to post it because i'm so happy.

EDIT

The gpu seems to be around 55 degrees in Project Cars. Also an improvement of about 5-10 degrees.

 

That is a great drop in temps. When you ordered the computer originally did you go with stock thermal compound or IC Diamond?

 

Artic MX-4, I did order it at a company in The Netherlands. But now when I just repasted it I saw it was one big mess. To much paste it was everywhere except on my cpu haha.

 

Correct application makes a huge difference as you have seen. Some people do prefer to do it themselves just to make sure it is how they want it.

 

Yeah, I had a pretty dramatic temperature drop going from the stock Sager paste (which took about 5 applications of ArtiClean to get off, there was so much of it) which had my temps to 99C in the XTU stress test, to Gelid GC-Extreme, which keeps my temps around 82C. Definitely worth the effort to repaste the CPU.

 

I'm about to buy 16GB (2x8) Kingston HyperX Impact 2133mhz ram at a good price (same if not slightly cheaper than the 1600mhz version)

I've read the thread but can't seem to find the instructions, looking back over it. What is required to run at 2133mhz, and can it only be done via PremaMod?

Also, will I get a general reduction in battery life and/or higher temperatures running 2133mhz ram as opposed to 1600mhz? I read that the above differences between the two are insignificant, but I should have a general improvement in min fps?

 

Okay I'm in need of SERIOUS help.

My new P650SE is only 3 months old, however I've just tried 6 times to play Football Manager 15 and as soon as the game starts playing (Only slightly graphic intensive part of the game) after not too long the screen goes black, then the laptop makes a loud 'beep/bing' noise, and then it crashes and shuts down. I haven't got a clue what the problem is, but just now I was just browsing on Chrome for a solution and it did the same thing again.

I'm absolutely desperate for help as I'm in the middle of when all my deadlines are in and I NEED a working laptop, I have too much to do and can't risk it crashing during an important piece of work and me losing my work.

Please can anyone help me understand what the problem is. From what I've read it could be a warning about the temperature of the laptop, but I'm touching it and it's incredibly cool. I've had it in the past so hot I couldn't even have it on my lap (was using it on my bed on my duvet so the air could't vent well).

Any help would be incredibly appreciated, the sooner the better too.
Many thanks in advance,

 

You don't even need to get it from Eurocom, you can simply contact them directly if they can source it even if it is not on the list of offered processors. Every supplier I considered did confirm they could source it. XMG for example don't list it as available but they say it is available in their forums and on their advertising.

I did have to wait a while to get it though, like over 2 months.

 

Sounds like you need a new power brick, or somehow your CPU is pulling too much of SOMETHING. You should RMA and see if they'll cross-ship you a power brick.

 

Is CLU worth the extra hassle? On a review by Tomshardware, it only seemed to be a few degrees better than ICD/GC-Extreme. I am more concerned with the cleanup, getting it on nodes, and the warranty voiding.

(posted same thing in another thread, but realized it wasn't this one)

 

thats why its recommended to use some kind of non electrically conductive conformal coating on the SMMs surrounding the CLU applied chip

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I AM NOT ALONE

Hell, it's so annoying that I was pestering everyone in this and Batman's thread about the possibility of removing the hard coating and whether that's the issue here. Haven't risked it yet, still no idea if it's even possible and I'm not sure I can get a fitting and non-grainy screen protector, wouldn't want to damage the screen on a 1500$ laptop imported from the other side of the globe.

Also, while it really isn't noticeable in movies much... I'm an avid anime watcher and it shows a lot there due to a lot of flat colors. So I'm still watching chinese cartoons on my Vaio.

 

What do you mean by RMA? And I honestly just can't understand it. If the laptop was bruning up then I could understand a thermal warning but not sure what else it could be. And what makes you think it's the power brick which is causing it? One other issue I've had it the laptop dies when it's on 10% battery, which is quite a lot sooner than I'd have expected the laptop to die.

 

Yes.

But what about the clean up in case of repasting and voiding of warranty? I have read that the stuff can be hard to get rid of, leaving marks, etc. And have Clevo manufacturers decided it's adheres to warranty policies?

I mean I would like to hear from someone that has actually done it, and their thoughts on the situation.

 

Well it could be that or voltage issues. I had random shutdowns for quite some time and it was voltage issues, but my machine would say "shutting down" first. Here's what I suggest:
if you can, buy an APC Line-R 1200va. It's a Line Conditioner and will regulate the voltage toward your computer. The problem is you'll need to use it while working so you'd be limited to one place while working, and seeing as how it's not the SAME kind of shutdown as what I had, I can't guarantee that it will fix your problem... but it's a good thing to own.
if you can't do the above, message your reseller and explain the random shutdowns without any load and with light load applied to the system. They'll likely claim they'll sell you a new power brick and battery and then when you get it, ship them back your old pair.

 

It varies by reseller. Mythlogic basically lets me do whatever I want short of hard-modding the case. Modded vBIOS, overclocking, changing heatsinks, it's all good to them. They don't RECOMMEND CLU for application and won't apply it themselves for me, but they won't kill my warranty if I use it.

 

Hi,
I would try to reproduce the problem while having a look at temps and voltages with any monitoring tool. Additionally to D2 Ultima's suggestion it could also be that a heatsink came loose. Due to lack of contact the heatsink won't get very hot, therefore the laptop doesn't get hot as well while you're still frying your chip.

 

If it was the power supply, shouldn't the battery should be able to cope regardless of a defective power sup

Apologies, but I'm afraid you'll need to be more specific about what exactly you want in each screenshot, as it's not clear to me. Give everything you want for an individual screenshot, and after each screenshot I will reset everything to default.

Also, I don't actually have as an option "CPU throttling" as an option anywhere.

 

I don't think it could be a power supply problem since the battery should be able to handle the power load on its own anyway.

1. Does it sound like a mechanical sound or a computer beep?
2. Do you still experience this problem when running in safe mode? Do you only get it when running Chrome or Football Manager?
3. Try running memtest86 on your RAM and EVGA OC Scanner X on your VRAM, you might have a problem with memory. The software you're running is memory-hungry and it could be a problem with your installed memory. If you want to be dead sure and you have more than one RAM chip, try removing one of them and see if you still have problems.
4. I suggest you stay off the games and avoid Chrome if you have deadlines. Do you get the same problem with Mozilla or Opera? These use far less resources than Chrome.

 

I suggest setting optimus to only use the IGP in the nvidia control panel and see if it does the same.

 

No, it does not work that way, apparently.

What I want you to check is below. It's long with pictures, so I'm hiding it with a spoiler tag.

Spoiler

As for the things I wish to get you to check: Look at the bottom of your XTU window. There should be a blue wrench at the top right of that section, and another at the top right of the graph.
I want you to click the wrench at the top right of the monitoring section and select: "CPU throttling", "CPU total TDP", "Current limit throttling" and "Power limit throttling"
It looks kind of like this:

Then, when you are finished, click on the wrench at the top of the graph, and select: "CPU limit throttling", "Power limit throttling" and "Current limit throttling"
Should look like this:


Then, I wish for you to set your power sliders both to 100W and your multipliers to your maximum 4-core turbo. Yours would look like this (I have extra options you don't; don't worry about them for now):

When you are finished with that, if you could show me what you've done, that'd be great. Then, I would give you a stress test to run. Either via a program called Throttlestop, or XTU's stress test itself. And I want you to monitor if your CPU ever throttles for me. You WILL need to use max fans, and I suggest you prop up the back of it for better airflow, so that you eliminate the chances of it overheating and throttling because of excess heat.

 

Hi,

I would not take 4K and i didn't, the IPS Full HD is great. But if you are a graphics designer then yes....

 

Thanks, but wasn't able to find that in the advanced section?! Any clues?

 

Huge cooling improvement after purchasing the best cooler I've ever had, the U3.

About 3-5 degrees cooler, amazing.

 

Anybody experience their GPU fan kick in randomly really quickly then back to normal, and it does this a couple of times? This is for the P650Se. I guess it may have to do with it being in performance mode.

 

If you open web browser, it may use GPU acceleration and kickstart your GPU into gear. Generally when the dGPU is not in use, the card and fan stays off.

 

Hi,

Just received my P650SE on Friday, from pcspecialist. It's been great so far, until just now. Tri ed to plug in my external monitor to the HDMI port and... nothing. No sound of recognition from the laptop, and the monitor isn't connected. Okay, the connector looks a little deeper than the port, let's try a different cable and connect to the TV. Still nothing.

My HDMI port appears to be dead. I don't know if there's a driver I'm missing or something, or a setting somewhere that needs flipped? Going to call my reseller tomorrow but wondered if anyone here had any advice.

 

There shouldnt be any drivers for HDMI... at best would be your intel graphics driver, but it usually detects the monitor without it.

 

I didn't think so, I just hoped it might be a driver issue or something else easy to fix. I already updated my intel graphics driver, I read that could be the issue. Will see what PC specialist say tomorrow then, hopefully I won't have to RMA... Thanks.

 

There may not be anything wrong with the laptop.

There is a relatively common problem with monitors, tvs, and projectors where the "HDCP handshake process" is damaged from hotplugging.

This results in laptops not being able to detect the device due to that device's digital signature being corrupt. It happened on my projector, and while hdmi works with bluray players, I can't use laptops because it can not be detected. VGA works fine though.

Try another laptop with the external monitor and see if it works.

 

In reference to the issues I've been having Scan are picking up my machine to have a look at the issue and hopefully repair it.

 

Tried it with my old laptop, it worked fine. Also tried the P650SE with a couple of cables on my TV, still nothing. Definitely the laptop I'm afraid. Thinking of trying a clean install of windows as well as calling my reseller. I clean installed when the laptop arrived but maybe there's a conflict somewhere.

 

What driver are you using that doesn't allow HDMI to work? Ethrem had problems on one specific driver set I think where HDMI was broken for him. You might want to check different drivers and see if it works.

 

Currently using Intel HD Graphics 4600 version 10.18.14.4080, Nvidia GTX 970M 9.18.13.4752. I don't know exactly what has control of the HDMI port, have been trying to find out. I just updated my Intel driver just now though, it didn't work on the one I had before either.

 

can you try using 344.75 nVidia drivers?

 

Installed, still nothing.

 

then likely your mobo. Or GPU. Either way, you're getting your CPU, GPU and mobo replaced. Good luck =D.

 

Oh no. Was hoping it wouldn't come to that. If it's broken, it's broken though. Will still try a reinstall of windows just in case but I have a sinking feeling you're right and I'm going to have to send it back. Thanks for your help in any case.

 

Anyone have experience with removing that Onkyo logo above the keyboard?

 

im not sure u can actually remove it without physically scratching it off the surface of your machine, since it seems to be lasered into the chassis

 

Has anyone tried to play star citizen with 8gb of RAM? I just got the game and it keeps giving me memory errors..

 

have u checked how much system ram and video ram u have left when the game is running?

 

I have the same issue, it usually happens on cold boot, where something kicks at the dGPU so it wakes up. I guess you're having something that utilize it randomly.
I am using the CUDA system for some heavy-computing here and once in a while it does the same thing. I don't know if it's even related though :/

Try out the game at minimum settings, so the memory usage is the lowest. This goes for resolution as well.

 

Hi everyone,

I have just recieved a p650 SE. It is my first Clevo ever and I am really impressed so far.

There is one thing that bothers me. It has quite some backlight bleed at the upper left corner. I did some research on this problem and found that is pretty normal for IPS screens (mine is FHD). Since I am no expert I don't know if the amount of bleed can be considered "standard" or it is better to return the laptop.

I thought maybe you guys can help me now that I can still return it!

The pics:




Thanks

 

I would return it. That's a lot of bleeding.

 

it didn't even finish loading. it gives me this error assigning memory messaged and then game crashed, but to be fair I was kinda opening several chrome tabs...but closing them didn't help. this game must need all 8gb of RAM to even run

I'm pretty sure this is a system RAM issue, and in order to do that you are gonna need to load into the game first

 

I did not check how much RAM was required of it to run, but I usually have 6-8GB of RAM being taken up and when I ran it, it did not have issues running it, so it likely needs ~4GB or more to run. Forever glad I got 16!

Anyway, I'll have a video up shortly with how much vRAM it seems to need (spoiler: just over 3GB) and how to runs on a 3.9GHz CPU with two 780Ms (spoiler: I want 980Ms and a 4910MQ)

Edit: here it is

 

Great, I actually just ordered a U3 today (the original one, which I read is a bit smaller, but sturdier than the U3 Plus).

Where did you put the fans? Under the 3 fan inlets, or under the CPU and GPU themselves? Just wondering which would work best!

 

now I think about it, it might be VRAM considering I maxed out on vram usage (3gb) the moment I got in the hangar, but windows did tell me I was low on memory and I couldn't check RAM usage without alt-tabbing... so any ideas?

 

Windows will throw up that error whether it's RAM or VRAM. You could try logging both to find the culprit. Or have MSI Afterburner OSD running in-game.