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I actually like hibernation and use it a lot for added peace of mind. Don't want my laptop accidentally waking from sleep while stuffed in my backpack. There's really no downside to fast startup. If you read the description, it says "restart isn't affected."

 

The cable is most likely different. I know the FHD eDP cable has a 30-pin panel connector and I think the 3K uses a 40-pin. I could be off on the pin count on the 3K but more lanes are needed for higher resolution so I know it is greater than 30. I guess if you could find a 40-pin eDP FHD screen if possible?

Here are the cables with the clevo part numbers:

EDP Screen Cable - 3K (031-1C) - P650Sx 6-43-P6501-031-1C

EDP Screen Cable - FHD (041-1C) - P650Sx 6-43-P6501-041-1C
LVDS Screen Cable - FHD (011-1C) - P650Sx 6-43-P6501-011-1C

Good Luck!

 

It is though. I've had a user "restart" their PC multiple times and the days on in windows task manager still read "11" all the time. I had to make them disable hibernation entirely before they'd be able to actually restart (and it fixed a ton of issues they were having).

 

Windows 8 fast startup has no effect on restart which is what I thought you were implying. Personally I've never had problems with hibernate since XP.

 

I've seen it affect "restart" and not just "shutdown", but I guess if it works for you go ahead. I have just seen it cause too many problems, and the startup time on an SSD is hngg.

Also, I've never had a machine wake from sleep in a backpack XD.

 

I did a couple of years back, I thought my back was getting warm lol.

 

never use sleep, hibernate or any other fake shutdown method, just proper shutdown and boot up

 

Isn't using hibernation bad for the lifespan of SSDs?

 

Never saw anywhere that it was actually bad as much as unnecessary. You can boot from a powered off SSD in pretty much the same time as resuming a hibernate

 

@Quikster i think all the writing to disk will have a negative impact on any ssd really.

 

"negative" as in: 19 years until read-only state instead of 20

 

Thank you weav, this is what I was looking for, unfortunately there aren't any 40 pin eDP FullHD screens, at least i'm unable to track any, they are either 30 pin eDP or 40 pin LVDS. This only leaves the option of finding a 30 pin cable from Clevo that apparently uses custom cables to convert the 40 pin eDP connector of the motherboard to the standard 30 pin eDP FullHD, sadly i'm also unable to find a place that sells it as a spare part, except for a company that only does wholeshale, which leaves me locked down.

If someone knows of a site, or even a reseller, that sells them it would be of great help.

 

That was what I'd read elsewhere

 

I just noticed today that my P651SE had reverted to running my Corsair Vengeance 2133Mhz RAM at 1866Mhz instead of 2133Mhz, though I didn't change this - might XTU have done this somehow, as I under-volted my CPU by -60mV using that recently?

I've now changed it back to 2133Mhz in the Prema Mod bios and all seems good, but I'm just curious how this got changed!

 

1. SSDs aren't made of glass, they will last far longer than you will ever use them for. So stop believing every single SSD myth you read on the Internet and for god's sake stop negating the speed benefits by turning everything off in an attempt to "prolong" its lifespan. Might as well not even buy an SSD if you're not gonna actually use it.
2. Hibernate is useful for saving current session w/o going into sleep.

 

What's the disadvantage of going to sleep (assuming not on battery)? A little bit more power usage?

 

Like I said, I don't want the laptop accidentally waking while in my backpack

 

I was able to order a 30-pin eDP cable from Sager tech support. I received it last week and hope to swap in/test going from LVDS to eDP FHD. I have a LVDS LG panel and a Samsung eDP FHD panel to play with. Not sure if they will allow non-Sager owners to order or not. The only other place I found online that actually lists the part was a wholesaler at https://www.fortunetechnology.com/spares/4769/ This site is the wholesale arm of PC Specialist Ltd. Didn't try to order from there as they are UK based and I was able to source from the US.

edit: Sorry.. didn't read close enough that you probably already found the same wholesaler site I listed above! Will keep it there for other readers if they are interested. Fun to look at parts list if nothing else.

 

This actually happened to me and caused my y510p to burn its gpu's out. Now I'm lurking in these forums waiting for my chance to get a 8652.

 

Sure, though if off the grid and travelling with my laptop, I'd probably just shut it down, with a fast SSD it only takes about 10 secs to boot.

Or - have the power settings setup so that it will got to sleep when connected to the mains electricity supply, but hibernate if on battery

 

Shutting down wipes the current session though

 

always so stressed that u dont have time to save ur current session / work / whatever and shutdown regularly? poor guy

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Yeah, I'm a multitasking fiend. Wanna be able to resume exactly from where I left off when I get home from work/school.

BTW I've been doing this for years. Only restart once a month for Windows Updates or driver updates. Otherwise only sleep/hibernate. No problems whatsoever. Ofc it helps that I keep my OS in tip-top shape.

 

Could be mid-game and not at a good save point I guess

 

Guys, I have two questions:
1) So, is there no way of preventing the current limit throttling of the CPU? I get %100 current limit throttling while gaming almost all the time.

2) The GPU fans started to work even if they aren't in use. I don't remember them working while not being used before. What should I do?

 

have u tried undervolting ur cpu yet? it helps greatly with those throttling issues

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Yep, I attached my settings below.

 

Isn't SC still in beta? If so, isn't this something that should be reported rather than than blaming our gear?

 

High vram usage may or may not be a bug since it's being designed for use with future high end systems at its launch date rather than now.

 

Well, adjusting your power sliders is pointless because of the HQ CPU. The current limit might also be pointless but I've not tested that.

Have you used Prema's BIOS on the system?

And how often does the current limit throttling occur? Is it in any game? Are you able to get stock speeds (3.3GHz) to work?

 

Hi, I just got myself the P650SE. I have some problem though. I've downloaded the drivers from Clevo http://www.clevo.com.tw/EN/E-SERVICES/Download/default.asp

I can't get the audio-drivers to install. Can you guys point me to another download-source for the audio driver as some files seems to be corrupt after downloading the files from the Clevo-site. It stops during the installation.

Haha, I just deleted some text about not getting the wifi to work. I tried all evening yesterday with uninstall and reinstall drivers and even reinstall Windows 8 from scratch with format all drives but nothing seemed to work. Device manager didn't recognize the card for anything but "network adapter-something". But now when I started the computer today at work, it was there, working. I restarted the computer over 15 times yesterday and now I just started it from sleep. In devicemanager it says Intel AC-7265.
The seller had listed Intel AC-7260 in the specification so I guess I'm just lucky there? I bought it of a swedish reseller with no branding on it.


I have the 3k Panasonic screen and unfortunatly, it has some quite severe backlight bleeding, may try to reseat the screen sometime.

Thank you!

 

The 7265ac is the card your machine was designed to use. You would never have gotten a 7260ac in it.

As for the audio drivers, I can tell you nothing about that. Neither why your wifi card wouldn't work unless you plugged it in at work. *shrugs*. Let us know if it works when you get back home; if it does not (try on battery without plugging in the machine FIRST, just to avoid any possible voltage issues) let us know.

 

At the XTU stress test, I don't have any throttling and get full 3.5 GHz. But at high end games like Shadow of Mordor, I have current throttling pretty often.

And yes, I am on Prema Mod(304), but haven't changed anything under BIOS after flashing.

 

Thank you, then it must be just a miss. They also wrote that the ram-slots was max 2 and got a picture without the finger-print reader. Also stated the power-brick was 150W and not 180W which I received.

Very wierd. The sound does work, but the SB X-fi program won't recognize the card. So I guess it does not have the drivers installed correclty and not all functions working.

I'm a bit worried about the Wifi, but I'll just continue to use it and see.

Also, the touchpad also acted wierd yesterday, no multigesture was working. Working fine now aswell...

 

Really? I get loads of Current Throttling on the XTU stress test (but no thermal throttling) and my CPU cores only reach about 3.29Ghz. I have a -60mV undervolt, but get the same results (but higher temps) on normal settings. How did you manage to get 3.5Ghz and no Current Throttling? I have a 180w PSU, if it makes any difference.

I'm also on Prema Mod (same version as you), the only thing I have changed is the RAM speed, which I upped to 2133MHz, as I have Corsair Vengeance 2133Mhz RAM (see sig)

 

Do you mean it's pointless to undervolt? I do see reduced CPU temps when undervolting, though

 

The HQ CPUs have locked down TDP settings.

 

But you can change the "Cache Processor Voltage Offset" at least - not sure if this makes any difference to Current Limiting though (still not sure what this actually means!)

 

are u sure its actual throttling? maybe its just a less cpu-dependent scene in the game where the cpu is allowed to downclock...

 

Are you sure you are referring to the XTU Stress Test, or do you mean the XTU Benchmark. I get zero current limit throttling in the Stress Test, and my CPU usage stays pegged at 100%, but in the Benchmark, I get loads of current limit throttling (but no power or thermal throttling), and any dips in the current throttling coincide with drops in CPU usage. In the Stress Test, my CPU holds a steady 3.29GHz, which is pretty normal for the 4710HQ (3.5GHz single core speed, 3.3GHz max when all 4 cores are in use) but you have the 4720HQ, which should be able to hold 3.4 GHz when all 4 cores are in use. However, in the Benchmark, my CPU only hits ~3.10GHz; I'm not sure if this is because the iGPU is also drawing power in the Benchmark or what.

 

Ah yes, sorry I meant the XTU benchmark, I get no Current Throttling on the XTU Stress Test, but I'm pretty sure I only get 3.29Ghz, though I'll check again tonight - I'll run both tests.

What temps are you getting for both and is that with auto-fan speeds or at full blast fans (fn-1)?

 

With my CPU repasted using GC-Extreme and a 60mV undervolt, my temps sit at around 80C in both with auto-fan speeds. Before the repaste, I was hitting 99C in both, even with the 60mV undervolt, which resulted in considerable thermal throttling.

 

I think I've been getting temps in the mid to high 70s (since undervolting) for both tests. I've not repasted, but my P651SE came from XMG with Arctic MX-2 paste used. I'll confirm again tonight, though

 

You have to adjust all 4 of your core multipliers to 35x to get 3.5 GHz. You can see all of my settings at the right(I attached a SS below). Max temp was 90 on a 5 min. stress test without any repaste, laptop cooler or propping up the back so anyone can compare with the same conditions

Yes, I'm pretty sure, as the current limit graph shows it to me But I will check again and post it tonight.

 

@Delta_V

I haven't been following your posts so that's why I'm asking.. do you have high frequency RAM?

From what I keep reading arround here I gather that the higher frequency stresses the controller more resulting in higher temps.

Can you underclock your RAM to 1600 if it is more than that and check temps again?

 

BTW I have Corsair Vegneance 2133Mhz RAM (unlocked in Prema Mod), but my temps seem quite low, so am not sure that this does cause high temps especially

 

Ah I see - I have no intention of overclocking my CPU - it gets hot enough as it is on Clevo P65x machines, my main concern is keeping temps down!

I still don't understand the Current Limiting we're seeing in the XTU benchmark test - what does this actually mean is happening? Does everyone here get this?

 

if u check the haswell die map ull see that the IMC only takes up a pretty small area of the total chip, so that extra stress shouldnt really make much of a difference, if at all...

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I get it even with my current limit and power limits turned way up. It's normal for XTU's BENCHMARK.I don't know why, but it's what happens. Doesn't affect scores too much though.

 

It SOUNDS to me like you need to return that machine and get it from another reseller XD