*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

i have the 4k matte display... its pretty nice. i love it minus some minor scaling issues. the grain is there, but... who cares? i mean honestly, if one color (white) is a little off, but ALL the others are on point and i have sooo much more screen realistate... im okay with that. not to mention 4k gaming... and yes, it does run 4k just fine on the games ive tested so far

 

Hello guys! Im glad to say that im posting this via my Sager Np8652
got it yesterday and so far im in love. i dont have MANY complaints, which is rad, but i do have some issues i thought some people could possibly clear out.
First off, my two finger scrolling is just ****ty. i installed the driver from sagers site and like.. yeah it scrolls but itll like... click up sometimes, sometimes it simply wont scroll, itll get stuck, etc. its honestly really weird.. does anyone have any thoughts for me as to what i could do...? it honestly feels really buggy.. the mouse just appears to flip out when i try to scroll sometimes, as it doesnt understand the idea of "two fingers" and just hops around the page. also, even if i grab the actual scroll bar, if i drag it ALL the way down the page, it jumps right back to where i started... which is silly to me.

Another random question.. i came from an apple computer and i loved the feature where you could easily zoom out and all your apps would become visible that your running and you could select which page to go to. is that at all an option on windows? is there anything similar to easily navigate from open page to page? im a sloppy computer user and will have many pages up at once.
Thanks to anyone who can help!

 

the closest native I can think of without adding software that is similar to displaying all your open applications is "win + tab"

 

SSD stress test, consumer SSDs last much much longer than you'll likely need.
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

 

Dell XPS 15 does not have it (3200x1800). Solid colors look pristine on the Dell. I assume the new 2160p XPS 15 screen doesn't have it either.

Curious about the ASUS UX501 and G501 (2160p screens) when it comes out.

 

oh hey, thats helpful, thanks. its about time i learn to use windows. any idea how to make the track pad not be so crappy with scrolling?

 

I received my P651SG this afternoon.

Thanks to all in this thread for providing the research & info to a lurker like myself To those looking at the P65xSx it really will pay off to spend the few hours wading through every single page in this thread!

Also a big thumbs up to mySN (UK). 5 working days from payment to on the doorstep (and that includes 2 days for DHL to deliver from Germany).

P.S. The Sharp 4K Matte panel is great. Super brightness, crystal clear and I don't really notice any 'grain' that others have mention. I've done a side by side comparison with my old laptop (a Matte 1920x1200 panel on a Dell Precision Workstation), no real difference in coatings/grain. Of course there is something there as a hardness coating but unless you're 6 inches away from the screen squinting at it looking for problems you won't find it IMHO.

 

Is this what screen bleed looks like?

 

It's not bad. Do you notice it under normal use when looking at the screen straight-on?

 

No not really but the screen is somewhat reflective so I just wanted to make sure everything was okay. I have a few more pictures so hopefully a more experienced eye could let me know to make sure I don't have any problems I need to worry since I want this laptop to last for awhile.

 

Don't worry about it then if it doesn't bother you outside of completely black backgrounds. Backlight bleed always looks worse in pictures than it actually is, particularly at oblique angles like that. Checking for dead/stuck pixels is more important.

 

I see I think 2 red pixels on black background but nothing on the other backgrounds.

 

Okay, I seem able to run the Firestrike 3D Mark test with no problems with the 970M GPU overclocked all the way t0 +135Mhz Core Clock and +500Mhz Memory Clock using the current Nvidia driver (347.88), results were:

Score: 7424
Graphics: 8550
Physics: 9390 (interesting this score seems to go down the more I overclock - any ideas why?)
Combined: 3226

Max GPU temp reached on that run was 65 C

I'm pretty happy with this!

I've not tried this OC with a demanding game yet, but will give it a try.

Is it safe to effectively permanently leave the GPU at this high an OC (bearing in mind the GPU will only be being used when gaming) or would it be better to tone this down (e.g. t0 +135 / +300) for everyday use and only crank it to the max for the most demanding games?

 

Looks great! I am assuming physics is all calculated by the CPU so... it's probably the CPU having slightly less power to draw from and keeping clocks slightly lower, thus lowering the physics score.

 

Yes the physics is only CPU, as you do more runs with more heat around it may slow down to keep the TDP down.

 

Okay, though I presume that one the whole a small drop in physics is going to matter less than a significant increase in graphics when actually playing games?

Is it "safe" the leave the GPU as overclocked as this by default?

 

You will get small variations from the CPU test anyway as it's the most variable of all the benchmarks.

 

Anyone have/can make a closeup photo of how the keyboard ribbons are attached?

I replaced my KB today and didn't pay enough attention to the way the securing tab on the backlight ribbon was positioned.

For now everything is working fine on my keyboard but the way the cable is attached seems rather insecure to me and I'd just like confirmation that I attached it correctly.

 

Open the clip at the sides, fully push the cable in below the plastic, while keeping the slight pressure to keep it in, put the clip back into the connector.

 

I'm not sure I Attached the white clip for the backlight ribbon correctly back

The picture is AFTER i finished the operation.

P.S. I forgot to mention that the white clip for the backlight ribbon came completely out for me...is that normal or did I break it?

 

In terms of undervolting cpu via Intel XTU, do you guys only focus on dynamic cpu voltage offset and the processor graphics voltage offset? When I undervolt the cache I guess it doesn't really do anything but I also cannot tell if I undervolted too much so I decided to reset it back to stock.

 

Installed my mSATA SSD today using a mSATA to M.2 converter. Fits liks a glove

 

Okay last night session of BF4 at +165 core +225 memory the peak temp was 70C on the GPU and averaged 63

 

Ok so after reading the service manual I reattached my cable and everything fits nice and snug

The white clip isn't supposed to be removed...just lifted up and then pushed down again.

I reattached it correctly after reading the manual and now it swivels as intended

 

Thanks! BTW if you have +165 core, I assume this is on the Prema Mod vBios?

 

Correct. using Prema mod only on the vBios

 

You can leave it always oc'd, it doesn't matter since dgpu is off when not gaming

 

Does anyone else notice the laptop have a hard time keeping the turbo-frequence up? My have a very sluggish performance in photoshop camera raw. I can see that the processor goes down to just over 3000mhz when 100% load. The temperatures where at 70 and got as highest 77. Fans did not ramp up so much.

The Aorus performed almost the same when it was in "silent-mode" and the processor were capped at 1,5 ghz.

Do I have some power-saving thing turned on or something? I started XTU and it reported no thermal or power throttling.

 

Anybody getting a unknown device under devmgmt known as PCI device? It has the hardware id of: PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_5287&SUBSYS_65551558&REV_01 and I just cannot figure out what this device is.

 

It's the Realtek Card Reader.

 

Odd I have the Realtek Card Reader installed...

edit: seems reinstalling the driver fixed it.

 

Have you looked at xtu for the exact throttle reason? You are likely hitting tdp limits.

 

Okay, great. I also have a -60mV CPU and CPU cache undervolt, currently this is permanently applied (through XTU) - is this okay to leave "on" permanently too?

 

Yes, as it brings you a slight improvement in everyday temperatures and battery life. If it is a stable setting, leaving it on can only improve your laptop experience

 

Thank you. How can i check this? I have turned on CPU throttling and power limit throttling and none of those goes up beyond 0%.

EDIT: I tried the XTU CPU stress test just now. When I hit start, the CPU frequency goes down to 3,29Ghz, temperatyres upp in the 70. As soon as I stop the test, the frequency goes upp to 3,49ghz. No thermal, power limit or current limit throttling is reported in XTU.

Isn´t the CPU frequency supposed to go up as the CPU utilization is high?


EDIT 2: Or do this has something to do with the multipliers at different active cores? EX: 1 active core: 35x, 2 active cores: 34x. 3 or 4 active cores: 33x

 

Your laptop is working fine, 3.29 ghz is its max on 4 cores unless you overclock. On a different note, so does undervolting cache help with temps? Ive only heard undervolting intel gpu and dynamic core helping.

 

Cache has little impact on power. You can use xtu to overclock if you need a little more speed.

 

Thank you, good to know. Know I just need to figure why camera raw has so extremely sluggish performance. Even just the crop tool is lagging like hell. And also all the sliders, the changes comes a second after which makes it almost unusable. I have not tried to undervolt before now. Lowered the Dynamic CPU voltage offset to 58mV. Will see how that goes. Is stable through the stress test.

Thank you. Is it the multipliers I should up if I want to overclock it some?
I doubt it´s the frequenzy though. It should not have this sluggish performance. On the macbook pro it´s buttery smooth. That has the I7 4870, but that shouldn't do THAT much of a difference, should it?

 

Are you accelerating the application via the gpu on one but not the other?

 

Good question! Do you know how I can check that? Should I accelerate or not?

After a session working with 4 pictures and updated XTU-software I gets massive current-throttling whenever the CPU-utilization goes up. It mostly follows the CPU-utilization.

This can´t be normal I hope.

Picture:
current throttling in yellow, CPU utilization in blue.

Spoiler

 

I have both my CPU and CPU Cache undervolted by -60mV, seems stable

 

My machine had similar issues when going "under load" in which the frequency drops to 3.2~3.3 GHz (when set to 3.4 GHz on 4 cores). It was assumed to be the way the chip is designed after the various testing. Remember that the TDP limit is roughly 57W even when relaxing the limits. You can however, force the CPU to stay at 3.4GHz using Throttlestop (provided you have done whatever you can to reduce power usage via undervolting). As for lowering, make sure its -58mV and not 58mV (because 58mV is effectively adding more).

 

There is no need to OC your 970M for BF4 lol.. I max it out (VSync on Ultra, 60fps) on max boost clocks (1037/1253)... On the other hand, I would try my best to to OC the CPU as it really needs CPU power

BTW, some of my latest benches with 3D Mark.....Sorry @HTWingNut but I have officially owned your 8651

Stock (Max Boost): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4348851
OC Clocks: +430/520: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4349123

10269 FS GPU score... This driver is so good that I could actually do a bigger GPU OC.. Main problem is my 240W PSU isn't enough.. Need to get a 330W one...

 

Which driver specifically? Its already performing at 980M specs and can surpass my settings if you're lucky. Mines been having crashes so I will be forced to update soon...

 

The newest one, 347.88

 

i OC my GPU for Evolve mostly. at ultra settings at 1080p it hits about 53 fps but when i OC it the game runs a stable 60+

 

hello!
i also would like to say something to the Speaker System of clevo
first, i´m the owner of a schenker w504, Intel i7 4810mq, gtx970m 6gb. compared to my eight year old hp pavilion dv6550eg, it´s quite horrible... there´s no intensity in the Sound, no as much Level as it was in the HP, i just ask myself for what there´s a subwoofer on the bottom of the Notebook. just unbelievable, if one consider the costs. but the overall condition of the Notebook ist superior.
nevertheless, i´m looking Forward to swap it against this xmg p505, only because of the 4k-panel, the better look and, probably, the better Sound because of the metal Body of the Laptop. but i don´t know if the gtx980 4gb on the p505 will outperform the gtx970 with 6gb amount of mem.
what are your thoughts about this?

 

The sound on my P651SG is clear, decent volume but it is a 2.0 so no sub... therefore bass is of course limited. Not bad, but there is better out there. Still, I'm happy with the sound.

The SG (980m) has a plastic base (good quality one though) to allow a few mm more space.

The 980m gives ~20-25% more than the 970m. In reality you're expressing your concerns about 6GB vRAM (on your existing setup) vs a P505 980m that 'only' has 4GB vRAM. So not a question of power, but ability to store textures etc

 

Thinking about getting an np8652/p650sg soon, worried about the lid being weakish for daily commuting on the subway/possibly careless treatment of the backpack its in. I saw this video which makes it seem pretty bad (toward the end). Also, since im kinda a noob at pasting, does the sager ic diamond application leave something to be desired? And is the bx100 ssd decent? Sorry for stupid questions, this thread is a firehose of knowledge and I am glad to hopefully join the crowd soon!

 

as with any expensive high performance machine i would never ever just put it into a backpack without it being in an extra sleeve or bag for added padding/protection my advice: just take good care of your machine, then u dont need to worry about the lid

as for repasting, its not a big deal to do it urself, actually, just watch some youtube videos and do some reading and ull get the hang of it pretty quickly way cheaper to repaste with ic diamond / gc extreme urself!

crucial ssds have been known for great price/performance reatios and high reliability, so u cant do anything wrong with the bx100

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