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Anyone know a solution to this or us my machine faulty? Makes it unusable in photoshop.

 

1 - You should make sure you get the THX Tru Studio drivers installed. Apparently it helps the audio on the machine quite a bit.
2 - That is a downgrade in CPU quality and modularity. Gaming will be worse at 4K unless you are willing to use non-native resolutions and upscale. Pixel-doubling upscale methods are NOT available to you.
3 - 980M is stronger than 970M regardless of vRAM. Read my vRAM guide for more information as to what vRAM is/does.
4 - Be aware that scaling issues persist with Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 using 4K. There are many users who find it not-a-problem, but you still need to understand that it exists and it will not simply "work perfectly fine" when you use a 4K screen.

If you still wish to go for it, go right ahead. It is not a bad machine by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm giving you the info about it straight.

 

Read my mobile i7 CPU guide and you might find the answer to your CPU issue =D.

If you want good CPU power and for your CPU to work whenever you want for whatever you want, sell that machine and buy a P15xSM-A or a P750ZM. Or the 17" models. If you want those. People seem to love 15".

 

Thank you, really good information!

So, have I understood this right that my chip may be a bad one and doesn´t even work on stock clock and voltage? As it is now, it´s completely useless. As soon as I get a bit of load on the CPU the "current limit throttling" kicks in 80-100%.
This can´t be right?

The macbook pro which also has the haswell (?) works like a charm.

As I´m bringing the laptop with me for photo jobs, I can´t have a too big machine. The 17" gets a bit too bulky I think.

 

I also believed that my chip was a bad one at first, but after panning through this entire thread I came to the conclusion that it is a common problem with the series.

My XTU looks quite similar while running games, working or any tasks that stresses the laptop (see attached picture).

Despite this issue my CPU is not useless, it still works albeit with a lower clock than I would initially had believed and also with quite alot of fluctuations in processor frequency. How does your XTU look if you add a frequency graph to it?

 

So the flex in this particular video doesn't bother me, that just seems to show its not completely flush with the case.

However, I completely disagree with using double protection should be necessary with high end machines. I've have a macbook pro since 2010 that traveled in a backpack with no sleeve or anything and still runs today. For work I've also had various high end Dells with no issues either. The have quadro's usually instead of geforce's but still I'd consider them high performance machines. Maybe if it was being placed into a normal backpack, but if you are using a good laptop bag with a dedicated compartment that should be plenty unless you're just throwing your bag around with your laptop in it. In which case even a series of sleeves probably won't help you.

 

I get similar behavior, with the "Current Limit Throttling" spiking to 80-100% under load, but the Thermal and Power Limit Throttling are both sitting at 0%. At stock voltage, my 4710HQ only holds 3.00GHz in the XTU benchmark, but when I undervolt it, it holds ~3.10GHz.

Your guide talks about thermal and power throttling, as well as throttling due to insufficient voltage, but what exactly is this "Current Limit Throttling" that so many people seem to have issues with?

 

Where did you order yours from? LaptopPlus?

 

so you mean that the gtx980 with 4gb will outperform the gtx970 with 6gb? sorry for my misunderstanding, my english isn´t that good...

 

Yes. In every situation except one that requires more than 4gb, which is a non existent situation in the mean time I think`

 

Yes I did order it at LaptopPlus

 

Is it really so, that this machine not should be able to run photoshops camera raw?

Here it is, the frequency does not go down by much, only to 3.09ghz, but something is making camera raw go sluggish like newer before. Unusable almost. I´m not completely sure this is the reason, but it shure does not look good does it?
Picture:

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Thanks for the response, I have just heard a few horror stories like the one on this page about a 20 degree difference between paste jobs. I have a nice targus padded backpack, and it seems like everyone else is happy with the machine and so I will probably order tonight or tomorrow from maybe mythlogic or xoticpc. Does anyone know of any sager/clevo resellers in the northeast, specifically in NJ or NY? I will hopefully post some impressions on the flex whenever I get this beast of a laptop.

 

eurocom ships from nyc, even though theyre a canadian based reseller

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I would say that your graphs looks better then mine, and I do not have the issue that you describe. Look at my attached image where I show the same graphs as you.

Do note that most of my issues with unstable frequencies are "solved" with using throttlestop.

 

What I wrote was correct. I have asked many many many numerous people across numerous machines to do testing for me. All the HQ CPU information listed there is correct.

 

I didn't input it, because I could not begin to figure out exactly what it is. It should theoretically be tied to the amps (which is processor current limit) but changes are a hit or miss... it is possible that undervolting means you require less voltage to do certain tasks and thus your processor can hold better speeds in limits where current is a factor, but in my experience the lower I sent my voltage, the slower it would run in said tests. Which is baffling. This is both in XTU bench as well as in Linpack for my own testing. If I could get a clear answer as to what these problems were, I would much more easily be able to check.

 

Sounds good, look forward to your impressions on flex/no flex, as I'm still probably a few weeks out from ordering myself. Which model are you planning on picking up?

 

P650SG, looking to email eurocom then and see if I can stop by and see any clevo's if they have them.

 

Without knowing exactly what you're doing, you should not have any issue with Photoshop on 4710/4720HQ CPU.

How much RAM do you have and what disk is PS running off ? I think you issues aren't CPU grunt but you whole setup/config.

 

thank you so much. that really helps a lot! thanks!

 

As mentioned you should not have any issues with Camera RAW. Have you tried updating to the latest version of it to see if that helps?

 

Yeah, seeing as I've processed RAW Nikon photos (first from a D50, and now a D7100) on my Macbook Pro from 2010 I can't see how a 2014/2015 processor could have so many issues doing the same thing.

 

And another thing... my laptop came with a stick of what looks a bit like blue tack? I have no idea what it's for. It looks like a long rectangle split into 2 pieces between 2 bits of plastic, link to picture: http://i.imgur.com/FMf5ovZ.jpg Anybody got any idea why I was sent this and what I use it for?

 

That's an extra strip of thermal pad for the GPU's VRAM chips, see here:

 

Cool, thank you! So presumably I was sent it in case I need to redo the pads in the future? Will put it somewhere safe just in case then.​

 

Yeah, a spare piece just in case you ever break the ones that are already on there, otherwise just reuse them. Thermal pads are durable enough to survive many repastes, unless you're a total clutz or something.

 

nvm, didn't see post was so old.

 

Oh that makes sense now! Haha these lounge threads are awesome to get info. This is probably a dumb move but I bought a razer blade 150W adapter and well hopefully it will work out even with gaming.

 

I used to edit Nikon RAWs on a 2012 Macbook Air with CR + PS.

You will be fine.

 

actually, its rather intended to be used for an M.2 drive, they tend to overheat quite easily, especially the PCIe models

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Thank you, that´s a bit worrying. The thing that hassles me is I only get the current limit throttling. Not thermal or power. Do you think the p751zm will do a massive difference here? Because I am considering that option. But it will be expensive and a big hit on the mobility which is quite important for me. I have a capable desktop station also.

Have you tested the P751 and verified that the machine does not show any current limit throttling?

This is what I thought too. If the CPU-handling had been so bad it could not tackle this task, it would be VERY bad. I have 16gb of ram running at 1600mhz. This came preinstalled.
PS is running of the PCI-E 128gb Liteonit SSD. It has roughly 50gb of free space. The RAW-files from the 5D MK3 is located on the 1tb HDD.
Photoshop version is the lates 2014-edition from Creative cloud.

Thank you, that´s a bit calming. I thought I had found the ultimate PC regarding specs versus form factor and then this problem appeared.
I have the latest 2014-edition of photoshop from creative cloud. I thought I would try the non-2014 version of photoshop also because until now, the only thing the 2014-version has increased is the problems I do not think that the camera raw performance will differ though.

Yeah, this should be able to edit some RAW-files, or else it would be complete rubbish to alot of people. I sure hope it isn´t

We have the late 2013 macbook pro ( i think it has the i7 4850hq?) and gt750m and it runs Camera raw with lightning speed. No lag what so ever.

Thank you all for your help!!!

 

Me too and I also went for the repaste using MX4. I'll run a XTU benchmark tonight to check my temps. If they are above 80 degrees I'll perform a repaste myself this weekend.

 

I have now installed throttlestop 7 beta 3 and it does not report any throttle at all. It does however report the frequency gets down to 3095mhz as soon as it gets under load. It should be running at 3300mhz at 4 cores load, am I right?

 

@ Faniskogen : I might have missed it, but did you check if it's using the Nvidia dGPU when you run PS (the left LED should light up) ?

 

How would that work? There us no heatsink for a thermal pad on an M.2 drive to connect to!

 

Thank you, I was just thinking of that myself. It does not light up. That means it´s using the integrated Intel card right?
That makes me think. The TDP is for CPU, integrated GPU right? So if it´s using the integrated GPU while editing photoshop, that should make the headroom smaller than if the dGPU where working?

If I monitor with XTU and run the integrated stress test in XTU, I get not throttling. Not even the current limit throttling. I also gets 3,29ghz as I should.
But not with photoshop. This makes the current throttling in XTU go bananas and also downclock to 3,09ghz.
Throttlestop reports no throttling with Photoshop.

 

Ok, then you should start PS with a rightclick and then select the GTX in the submenu (start with....). I hope this will solve your problem. Don't worry about the thottling, it will make almost no difference in noticable speed.
And yes, you're right, it's now using the Intel-GPU which is much, much slower. I have 2 CAD-Progs that almost don't work with only the iGPU.

 

Thank you, I managed to change the default setting to always open Photoshop with the discrete GPU. But unfortunatly, I notice no difference in performance. I still have the problem with the frequency that go down to 3,09ghz as soon as I put some work in it through photoshop. Is it supposed to do that? It´s not that it dips down there here and there but it goes steadily down to 3.09ghz as soon as I put some 100% load on it.

 

Hmm, ok, I thought that PS would make better use of the dGPU. I think the downclocking when hitting 100% CPU-usage is normal due to the current-limit, whatever that may be.
Anyway, I can't see any reason why your laptop shouldn't be able to run PS at at least a decent speed... that's strange...

Edit : and btw., the presets for GPU-selection for programs in NV control panel (if that's what you used) do not always work. One of my SW I always have to start with the right-click. So I got in a habit to always check that LED.

 

one would use the backplate as the heatsink

 

Hi guys, it's been a while since I've been here. I'm thinking of purchasing a 4g/lte m2 module for my p650sg, wondering if there's something I must know or if someone already shared some info on using one with this laptop. If I remember correctly, I'll lose the possibility to have a pcie m2 ssd, but there shouldn't be any problem if I'll go with a sata m2 drive, right?

 

Would it actually be able to touch the backplate with one of those pads, then? One of the things that had put me off getting an M.2 drive is the heat they run at, but this would maybe help if it actually works!

 

Even if you set it that way, it will only use the DGPU if the program has features that take advantage of it. With the GPU downclocking to 3.09Ghz camera raw should still be very quick. I use CS6 and dont have any issues with it, even with CS5 I never have. You can download Adobe DNG converter to see if that also works slow or quick how you are used to.

 

I see, seems like it does not do much of a difference with the DGPU activated.
My main concern is the frequency dip. I have an easy way for someone else with the i7 4710hq to check if theirs also is downclocking. If I run the XTU benchmark test, the CPU frequency is down at 3.09ghz most of the time. Also, the "current limit throttling" goes up really high.

I will try do revert back to CS 6 to see if that´s the problem. I have tried CC and CC 2014 and both is sluggish in camera raw. Inside photoshop it seems to perform OK after a quick test. Maybe I have overreacted a bit, it´s not completely unusable, but, compared to our macbook pro it´s really sluggish. Even the crop tool is lagging when rotating it, adjustments as white balance is not instant.
Compared to my work PC it´s also very slow. But this is a quite powerfull machine with dual xenon e5-2670 and 32gb ram.


EDIT:
Running 3dMark firestrike does not provoke any throttling at all using XTU for monitoring. Keeping the 3.29ghz at all times. Except for a short thermal throttling.. where the CPU was at 60 C?

 

when in doubt, stack the pads until they touch the backplate i would imagine that the heat transfer would be more efficient on the SE (metal backplate) than on the SG model (plastic backplate)

 

That's true of course, I thought it might have..

Here's mine. Looks the same I guess.

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Hi All,

I recently (stupidly) decided to update my graphics drivers from 344.75 to the most recent 347.88. Ever since I did that, my mild GPU overclock (+135/+150) suddenly became unstable and now crashes one of the games I play.

I decided to rollback to the previous driver using Display Driver Uninstaller, but now it seems like I can't keep those overclock settings stable anymore even on the old drivers. I also tried a system restore to a point before I got the new drivers but still didn't work.

Finally I tried uninstalling the game, and doing a super safe mode uninstall of my DGPU and IGPU drivers and reinstalled both of those back to the drivers I had, then reinstalled the game. I am trying an even lighter overclock (+80/+80) and while it remains stable for longer, I'll get a hard freeze every now and then that the system has to recover from.

Any ideas what's going on? Is it possible that the driver update fundamentally changed something in my system that I can't go back from? Should I try a full Windows reinstall? Or is it possible that even though my system has been stable for a month, maybe it was never stable to begin with and just happened to show itself literally after I did the driver update? Seems too close to me.

 

Thank you, interesting to see that you have the same. That's a bit calming as hopefully it indicates that my machine isn't faulty
If not both our machines are faulty.

But then off to the question, is it designed to work like this? Because to me that looks like a too low turbo-boost. It should be 200mhz higher, right?

Would be interesting to see these results on other computers also, like the p751zm for example. I will test an asus 751jt here some day.

EDIT: If I use throttlestop to overclock the maximum multiplier from 33 to 35 in 4-core load, I can maintain a 3.29ghz frequency throughout the XTU benchmark.
This make it seems like it is supposed to go down that much, does it?

But in notebookreviews page about the i7 4710hq, you can read this:
"Boost up to 3.3 GHz (for 4 active cores), 3.4 GHz (for 2 active cores) and 3.5 GHz (for 1 active core)."


EDIT2: I have now turned the overclock off by returning the multiplier to default in throttlestop and also turned throttlestop off. But now I get the specified turbo boost at 4 core anyway, 3.29ghz. Even in Camera raw. What the heck is going on here?

 

No @jaybee83 that thermal pad he showed is actually for the graphics card. The one for M.2 is a different shape and much thicker (more of a block than a strip). Like this one I got: