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1. Which AKG headphone is it
2. You shouldn't be plugging into S/PDIF anyway

 

1. True. Was just checking.
2. The K7XX Massdrop edition.

 

If memory serves me right, Mr. Fox's setup in his 18" AW is on par (performance-wise) with any Clevo out there.

There really is no such thing as a debate over aesthetics - beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, as is the value one places on aesthetics in the overall purchasing decision.

 

Your memory serves you wrong. Mr. Fox jumped ship to Clevo and got a P570WM precisely because Alienware could no longer keep up.

 

Ah right, they can't get 980M's working in SLI on some older AW machines. Those that can use 980M in SLI have throttling issues.

Stupid Dell. Is it really so hard to release BIOS updates to support newer hardware? I guess not, since they think that would cut into sales of their new machines.

 

Also firmware lockdown and power delivery restrictions

 

Yes, a shame really. Those older AW machines are beauties, with so much potential that is/was wasted by Dell.

 

I'd never RMA my clevo for something THAT subtle...plus, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with X-FI MB3 software

 

It's anything but subtle and you have low standards

 

Does anyone else have issues with coil whine on the NP8651? I sent my laptop back to Sager for RMA to get the issue fixed. It came back today with exactly the same issue as before. Is this common with this laptop? I do not want to send it back to Sager for another 2.5+ weeks for them not to fix the issue again.

 

If it doesn't bother him, it doesn't bother him. That last part of your post is a bit much - who are you to tell others what their standards should be?

That being said, I also get a hiss at times when using a wireless headset with USB jack.

 

Guys which one is more cooler in terms of temperature p650se or msi gs60? Please i really need help

 

You're quite the ornery type, aren't you? (Back at you, who are you to tell me how to behave?) I have no such static from the headphone port on my P650SG or any of the cheaper laptops I've owned. I would expect nothing less from such an expensive piece of kit.

 

Clearly, I'm the one who needs to remind you of the forum's code of conduct and rules. Specifically: "While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. "

In that case, how would you know that it's "anything but subtle"? Did you return a faulty unit? This is a legitimate question, and not just me being an ass.

I tend to agree. Whenever I spend over $1,000 on a piece of equipment, I expect better. Especially when cheaper machines don't have these problems.

 

I'm sorry but a hiss that is only heard when volume is <6, when X-FI is ON and with no audio content activated is subtle...my standards are normal (i pay 2000 Euro for a laptop) I just won't RMA my Clevo for this "issue" because it's present on nearly all CLEVO... my p650SG runs flawlessly, the temps are more than impressive, zero dead pixels, nice build quality,...but if you wan't to rma it go for it . Sorry, but you have to be REALLY neurotic to RMA for this...

My "hiss" comes from the X-FI MB3 software suite not from the hardware part btw

 

The graphics amplifier is pointless, because the CPU throttles under load to 2.5GHz almost all the time. A 2.5GHz quadcore paired with a 980? Or a Titan X? Hell it bottlenecks the bloody 980M at stock, far less anything else even halfway stronger.

Your memory serves you incorrectly, because the AW18 and M18x R2 cannot properly use the 900M series, and thus the clevos (which can both use it AND overclock its life away) became superior by default. If the older AW systems could use the 900M series properly, there'd be no issues. But the rampant throttling and somehow CPU-based throttling by using them as well as all sorts of other oddities like fan utilization issues in the SLI models have made those AW systems obsolete for any purpose that does not stop at a Kepler video card.

 

There you go again with your "moral high ground". What forum is this again? Oh right. NotebookReview. I'm not breaking any rules that you haven't.

Because I've had sound cards in the past with very audible noise floor due to poor EMI shielding and it drove me nuts.

 

Mine under 100 percent load throttles to 3.4

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Mine under 100 percent load throttles to 3.4 and even while throttling the gaming performance of a titan x even with a HQ processor will still be an incredible experience. I don't render videos I play games. Just because you are not eeking every last bit of performance out of a part it does not make the setup worthless



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You have a 4980HQ. The 47xxHQ chips are the ones that have intense throttling issues.

Also, 100% load is not indicative of the load on the system. It is only a ballpark figure. You are limited by TDP, as I explained in my guide. What load causes that TDP limits remain to be seen. Play BF4 with unlocked FPS and you may throttle to 3GHz. Play Crysis 3 with unlocked FPS at max graphics and you might throttle harder. Render a video and 3.4GHz will be a myth to you.

Also, the 4980HQ chips don't have the issues as bad as the 4710HQ and 4720HQ chips that most people get. We COULD NOT GET the 47xxHQ chips to avoid throttling to 2.5GHz in even fairly light loads.

And please, for the love of meowmix, don't say "I don't render videos I play games" if you're sitting on a 60Hz screen when a user of a 120Hz screen is INFORMING YOU that such a nice experience for gaming is almost destroyed by your HQ chips. Since the graphics amplifier requires an external screen, it is very likely that users will shove a 980 or Titan X or whatever into it on a 1440p 144Hz or something screen. Which will tear that CPU to shreds. If you're using that graphics amplifier to play on a 1080p 60Hz screen you might as well just overclock the 980M because you're not going to pull more power than that card can provide in such constraints.

 

you don't need to use an external monitor with the graphics amp. I disagree that I should just overclock than 980M. An overclocked 980M while some would consider ok, I am trying to go for a constant 60FPS with as few dips as possible. To maintain that you have to have excess power, thus the smoothest experience possible would be to have a powerful card capable of going well over that.

 

I am probably going to be getting the Acer Gsync monitor, and if I find myself limited by the CPU at that point (doubt it very much) I will just drop that card in a mini itx and call it a day.

 

Overclocking a 980M decently ballparks you into 980 territory, so no. It is a viable option, honestly. As long as the card works, that is.

As for the graphics amp, I might have had it confused with MSI's variant, so sorry about that. But still... if you think you won't get limited at 120Hz or 144Hz...

 

For 144Hz gaming?

 

Yea I don't doubt I will, hopefully not too badly though. I'm doing it for science.

 

And what, exactly, does that have to do with anything?

Pointing out an inappropriate post is not "moral high ground". You insulted somebody, I called you on it. Better me than a moderator, don't you think? Mature adults can find ways of getting a point across without insulting somebody. That you keep trying to justify/defend yourself,or deflect attention, rather than just owning up to the fact you insulted somebody when there was no need speaks volumes.

And you know for a fact this situation is exactly the same? The hiss is just as loud/noticeable?

 

Ah science. It's the reason I ordered a second P650SE and AW17 R2 after selling off the first two.

Must...conduct...more...tests...

 

Yes, that was brought to my attention a few posts later. Once again, Dell seems intent on preventing their past high-quality systems from living up to their full potential.

Sad. I'm typing this on the Clevo P650SE, and gaze over at my super-sweet AW17 R1. God that thing's nice. Luckily it supports the 980M, albeit with a bit of modding/tweaking. Can't imaging the feeling of owning any of the older models and realizing those sockets are somewhat useless, given Dell won't release an unlocked and modified BIOS that will support the newer cards.

 

It has a lot to do with what you write. This is a notebook forum for the discussion of notebooks, not your moral soap box.

I insulted someone? Where. Was it you? Oh, I'm so sorry. I too feel insulted by your continual harassment and moral preaching to me and others in this thread. I feel like a small child being talked down to. Check that condescending and holier-than-thou air at the door, will ya. Can it and stick to laptops, not to admonishing others for how they should act according to you.

 

This is not Dell's fault. This is a result of somehow nVidia's changing up of the way 900M series are used, and it being incompatible with the unique signature of the older Alienware models. I am certain it was not intentional, but I bet Dell didn't expect it. The HQ chips are forced by Intel, but they did not need to go the route of integrating everything and locking down the BIOS even further. That was just Dell being stupid this time around. Or I should say "doing exactly what most consumers like". Giving them something flashy at a low price point, thinner than ever before and who cares if anything is locked down, right?

 

I can see why they did what they did with the new lineup, since it is indeed what seems to appeal to most consumers. Though I don't see why they had to switch the lineup entirely, since they could've left one "bigger" model with sockets.

Oh well, the past is the past.

 

For the GPU, yes. For the CPU, making a new motherboard means you *MUST* make HQ chips, because of Intel's quest to make everything soldered to the motherboard. The AW17 R1 for example, with its incompatibilities with the 900M chips, would never under any circumstances have been refreshed as-is with the 980M. A new board (and BIOS etc) would have been required to be designed, and that instantaneously cut out the ability to create a socketed CPU lineup.

 

True, Clevo sort-of got around this by using a desktop CPU.

And yes, the R1 is borderline - compatible, given the tweaks needed to get it to work. Nothing too difficult, but annoying.

 

No, you insulted the poster when you told him he had low standards, when all he did was say he would't RMA over that particular issue.

That's probably because you're acting like one.

That being said, if you want to keep going around being brash and rude to people, why wouldn't I keep going around calling you out on it (or riding my moral high horse, as you would say)? You stop, I'll stop.

Anyways, this thread has been derailed enough, so in the interest of keeping it on track, I'm just going to completely ignore anything you write from now on. That way, I won't have to "preach" any more.

So looks like you get your wish, congratulations!

 

^LOL this guy is something else. What do they call them, Internet white knight? Yeah sounds about right.

 

If you need to tweak things to get things to work, then it's not compatible. It's not in a sellable state, and considering Dell does things like give overclock profiles in their BIOSes for those older machines... nope.

 

I'm a fairly new member who recently bought the P651SE. The forum and this thread in particular, with the knowledge shared by members, has been invaluable.
The last 4 pages of bickering, not so much.

 

Yea seems we might have gotten a little off track

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*shoves knowledge at you*
ABSORB

I mean... welcome to the forums!

 

Is there any compilation of benchmarks/temperatures/tuning as of yet? I'm trying to gauge how mine compares and been reading through the thread again.

 

hey all, you can look in my signature for the exact specs of my computer, but i just wanted to offer anyone my contact info if they wanted to ask any specific questions, i know i would have killed to talk to someone with this computer a month ago.
Email: [email protected]

 

Not really any dedicated benchmark thread unfortunately. You just have to search.

You an always post yours and then we can comment.

You can read my review, I've got some benchmarks and temps there too.

 

I'll bite. If you don't mind, I'll ask here since others might benefit =).

1). How does running a game at 1080p look on the Sharp 4k display?
2). Given that you listed two sticks of RAM, but only 1 stock I assume you bought the 2nd stick aftermarket. Did you do it that way to save money? Did you have any trouble finding a 2nd stick to work properly, or was it straight forward?
3). Did you buy your SSD's after market, or order them with your machine?

 

Thanks, I'll do that. I am familiarising myself with the utilities atm.

I have 1x8gb 1600mhz ram in the laptop and will be replacing this with 16gb (2x8) of 2133mhz ram. I haven't installed Prema's Mod yet but was wondering, for testing purposes, would Memtest86 show up false errors for the 2133 ram if it is being tested at a lower clock?

 

1. to be honest, i havent done much 1080 scaling! let me try that right now.. will post a screen shot if i can figure out how
edit: well i went into counterstrike to take some screenshots, but the damned print screen button apparently will ignore the fact that theres a game up and screenshot my desktop.... thats weird... to me it looked perfectly fine, maybe a very slight blur.. but over all, pretty nice. the good news is you dont need to do too much scaling other than those super intense games like watch dogs or farcry. i game skyrim in 4k easily.
heres the worst instance of scaling ive seen: http://gyazo.com/33dd2d5f0feadd8ca5ee9c6ef1dfbc35
(notice the difference between the title and the text in the application)
this is my netbeans app that i had to manually make the application stop recognizing i have a high dpi screen so that it wouldnt have super tiny icons. it looks really awful as is, but at the end of the day, its only one application.
2. yes, i bought it that way to save money. a lot of people say dont merge ram brandsand such, but i went right for it. its not recommended.. but its fineeeee. it was very straight foreward, just pop it in and pop it out!
3. after market for sure. there is 120gb sticks on amazon for 50 dollars. thats super cheap considering they are the fastest ssd on the market right now (due to the pci port connection)

 

Hmm, not sure how much of a benefit you'd see from 2133 RAM. What's the maximum speed the 4710HQ can handle?

 

I don't have any kind of "hiss" at all. X-Fi on or off. Low volume or not... I guess I'm just lucky.

 

Considering you can't overclock the BCLK of these 4720HQ processors, 2133MHz RAM is really only beneficial for benchmarking and a snappier RAM pool IMO.. It will run at 2133MHz without problems usually however, honestly, I would take 1866MHz and call it a day..

 

I read that the 4710/4720 HQ's can handle 2133, but I've been looking for more information on the impact for CPU temp and performance. I believe it can help with min fps but don't quote me on that as I can't find the article. Kingston HyperX Impact 2133, 1866, and 1600 are priced the same, so if anyone has a tip on which to buy, I'm all ears!

@D2 Ultima: I've read your guide on mobile i7's and have some questions for you.

In XTU: (without modifications) Is it correct that there is a significant difference between the stress test and the benchmark, where during the stress test the CPU would be stable but when benchmarked it would experience current throttling?

 

To add my 2cents, I have decent hearing and using Bose TP-1's. The headphones clearly show hiss on my old dell, but it is difficult to hear anything on the P650SE. X-Fi on, there is an almost indiscernible background hiss. X-Fi off, it is totally silent.