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Thanks !!!

 

Nope, nothing really changed after I unplugged.

 

So no load what so ever? Which BIOS are you on?

 

I checked it from the Task Manager, no change at the CPU usage. I am at Prema's mod.

 

I just realized an important detail here. Does not happen before the laptop has been in sleep. So a cold boot will not trigger this!

Could you or someone sleep one of these beauties (no pun intended) and check after 1 minute on battery?

 

Okay I am going crazy over this bug, I just tried with an old Samsung Evo 840 120GB, which had a CLEAN Win8.1 x64 on it.
- Installed Intel HD Graphics Driver
- Restarted
- Sleeped
- Woke-up, pulled power-supply
- System Process full load (Albeit 1.45Ghz limit kicked in so only 6-7%, but still crazy)

The machine is fine and dandy, but this problem is really starting to piss me off, but I'm all out of ideas at this point.

I might have to make an ugly hack, so on battery it calls "Search for devices" every minute, since that kills the problem for a short time.

Or is this worth RMA? I mean the laptop is otherwise perfect except this weird behavior.

 

What sort of overclocks are you all getting on your 980M? or are you overclocking? and what PSU are you using?

 

Sheesh. Lucky you. I ordered a NP8650 stock from xotic with a shipping date of 6-10 days 8 business days ago. Received a delivery estimate yesterday of April 29-May 6.

 

Looking for a clarification on the m.2 drive option:

• (Factory Option) Two M.2 2280 SSD, SATA interface (RAID 0/1) or One M.2 2280 SSD. PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface​

1. Will x8 work in the P650SE? (Amazon has this drive listed as a x8 PCI, Newegg says PCI-Express 2.0 x2. )
2. It is either x1 PCI card, or up to 2 SATA, no combinations of the two, correct?

 

For #2 it seems to suggest only one or the other but I have been told it can do 1 PCI and one Sata. Still no public confirmation on that however.

 

When I ordered my P651SE from mysn.co.uk it arrived at my house (from Germany to the UK) only 3 days after ordering it, was impressed!

 

Yes it blocks OC but only if your vBIOS has the OC-lock bit (newer systems).
In that case you can use the BIOS Mod to unblock it.

 

I might sell my GT70 barebone (GTX 870M) and buy P65xSE. What will be the advantages and disadvantages by doing so? I care for your opinions. Thanks.

 

For performance, it's a nice performance jump (and even better as you should have more room for overclocking on the cooler 970M). For me, going from the 860M to 970M was about an 100% improvement (on game settings/FPS) before overclocking.

Other aspects- the P650 is a far lighter machine (2.5kg vs 3.9kg) and far less bulky. Battery should be improved, which brings me to my next topic


I'm trying get more battery life out of my laptop. I'm using Throttlestop (setting '4' battery), and Intel XTU (-111mV Dynamic voltage with x10 multiplier). This only gets me ~145 minutes (heavy browsing with a word document & music streaming). Is that normal?

My battery hasn't improved at all. Am I doing something wrong?

 

anybody had oc the gtx 970m ??? ( HTWingNut's got the gtx 970m to 1059 gpu and 1500 on memory) but i want to now the experience of the users, thanks !!!!!

PS Sorry about my english !!

 

I will OC as soon as Prema releases V 309.
Also, can anyone get any port to function as a headphone/mic jack? I have a headset that uses 1 cable for both mic/audio (4 pole)

 

Prema, I was wondering about the modded BIOS. I have the P650SA model of the laptop. Is there not a mod available for it or does one of the SE or SG mods work for it? Or am I just missing something entirely? There's almost 700 pages to go through of this thread and a search gave me nothing

 

It would be a nice performance jump indeed and more importantly GTX 970M will produce less heat than GT 870M. Although I'm a bit more interested in the chassis. The P650 has full aluminum chassis and superior cooling regardless of its thickness. Superb engineering.

Does your laptop give you uncomfortable heat on its keyboard? I bought my gargantuan size GT70 to prevent this problem but still I get uncomfortable heat from this laptop too. I don't know if I am too obsessed about it. Playing on external keyboard seems always nicer to me because they never heat up. I wonder if there will be any laptop that doesn't require external keyboard because of heat. Notebookcheck's review claims that this machine gets too hot in load. HWNut's review claims the opposite.

Another very important thing is that Windows 7. Did anyone tried to install Windows 7 on this laptop and get drivers to work? I really don't want to use Windows 8.1 and I'm angry that Clevo only provides Windows 8 drivers. In the end, they don't make most of the drivers. I'm sure I can get Intel, NVIDIA, Realtek etc. to work but maybe Clevo's own Control Center will be a bit problem.

This notebook has 3 USB 3.0 port and one USB 3.0/eSata port. Some people reported in my country that USB 3.0/eSata combo port doesn't work with external HDDs, keyboard or mouses. Is that true?

What can you say about the speakers? Can they be comparable to GT70 Dynaudio speakers?

I heard some people have issues with IPS panel due to high response time (25 ms). They got Samsung's PLS panel in order to lower response time (16 ms). Do you have any problems of ghosting or something?

If I will buy the P650, I'm gonna use it with 2 TB 5400 RPM 9.5 MM HDD and m2.Sata SSD. High prices but at least I have a chance for both storage and performance. Is there any 2 TB HDD other than Samsung that will you recommend to me?

That's all for now Thanks again for your replies.

 

I don't find that the keyboard nor palm rest gets significantly hot. Think my Macbook Air actually gets hotter, when running on full load for a while! Also to note, though - one of the reviews that Notebookcheck did of the Clevo P650SE is with a different (and hotter) CPU, the Intel Core i7 4870HQ - the i7 4720HQ on current machines runs cooler. The machine they tested also had a 4K display, which consumes power (and therefore probably results in a bit more heat) than a FHD 1080p display. It also had a PCI-Express x4 SSD, which are know to get hot, and also a physical 7200rpm HDD - I suspect my single 1TB Samsung 850 Evo SSD generates less heat than that combo (bear in mind this is under the palm rest).

 

I have a question about the Samsung XP941 and this series of laptops. In desktops it seems to be reaching temps of 114C, does it get anywhere near that in these laptops. Is it something I should worry about ?

 

I bought the P650SA (not much difference between the SE and the SG besides the fact that it comes with a Nvidia 965m instead of 970m or 980m). It should be similar enough to the SE and SG to answer your questions. I also have not owned, have any experience with, or know much about the GT70, so I personally can't make any comparison.

Heating isn't too much of an issue. The only time it's been uncomfortable is if I'm sitting there playing a full 3d game with the laptop on my lap, and even then I could stand it. I wouldn't recommend doing that because part of the reason it got hot is because I was plugging up the air intake for the GPU fan. The laptop has 2 fans hooked up to individual heatsinks. I've never had issues with the cooling, my only complaint with it is that sometimes the fans can get pretty loud, but they're not that bad. I can't complain too much considering my previous laptops have gotten much hotter. I can feel the keyboard get slightly warm on the left side, but it hasn't ever bugged me (I didn't really even notice until your post made me think about it). Like what was mentioned by Oxford_Guy, the testing rig notebookcheck used is a LOT heftier than what most of us have here and heftier than what HTWingNut used for his review.

Now this may not be true for every reseller (I went with Sager through PowerNotebooks) but one of the driver disks I received specifically said "Windows 7" on it. I haven't had any problems with it.

I just tested my mouse (meant for USB 2.0) through all 3 ports. It worked just fine. My external HDD is connected through USB 3.0, so I'm not sure it matches what you mean. I suspect keyboards will work fine if my mouse did.

Like I said earlier, I can't compare it to a GT70 (having no experience with it) but the audio on the speakers isn't that great. It's about what I expected from laptop speakers, though maybe not as 'tinny' as I thought they would be. No rattling or distortion that I could tell, but the low frequency range isn't that great. I will get bass guitar parts and double bass parts in my music omitted at parts depending on how low the note is. A lot of "fullness" is lost with the sound. I could be nitpicking, I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to sound. I'm an amateur musician who works with digital audio. Here's how it is for me. Every time I want to listen to music or play a game where I actually care how it sounds, I will plug in external speakers or headphones.

IPS displays always have an issue with response time, which is why most gamers almost never get one for gaming. Desktop or Laptop. IPS displays are pretty good with colors though.

 

Many, many thanks friends. I am so pleased of your replies, informative and helpful as always.

Freelance Bum, did you install Sound Blaster Cinema 2 on your laptop? If you didn't I recommend you to install it. It even improves my GT70 sounds. It may improve of your laptop's sound quality too.

 

I can't speak for that drive specifically but generally speaking, if it gets hot in a desktop it will get as hot or hotter in the confines of a laptop. If you are worried about heat, I would advise you to avoid that particular drive in favor of something that runs cooler.

 

The heat issue with PCI SSD drives is one of the reasons I went for a the SATA Samsung 850 Evo in the end

 

From what I have seen even a small heatsink gets it under 50C. I would hope that this issue would be fixed because it seems that at that temps its not likely to live long.

 

114C is a bit insane... I get upset when my mSATA M500s hit 60C... Lol

 

I'll check temps on my Samsung 850 EVO, but it's way lower then both those figures from what I remember

 

Have a question that I can't seem to find a solid answer to. The fans for the dGPU are spinning at idle/low deskop usage, when the dGPU isn't used at all. They spin very at a low rpm, and are quiet but I find this unnecessary as there is no dGPU load. Is this odd or is it just normal function. Find it a bit weird when not even the CPU fan is spinning under these circumstances.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6372/samsung-xp941-512gb-m-2-pcie-ssd-review/index10.html is the link that shows the temperatures. It appears only under "heavy" workload however I am wondering if I might be able to add something like a copper sponge to dissipate the heat.

 

All my fans are spinning at very low speed when in idle. I guess it's to keep the chassis temperature low. It doesn't bother me at all.

 

whinis - temperature isn't something that you need to worry about with the SM941, if you choose one it should have a thermal pad with the chassis which helps draw heat away from the M.2 card

 

Do you have any information on the 2x sata or 1x pcie ? Can you do 1 sata and 1pcie or will using the pcie slot disable the other sata?

 

Newegg currently has the Crucial MX200 500GB M.2 2280 SSD on sale for $180 (price shows up in cart). Great deal, no idea how long it'll last.

 

Got tracking number for my NP8652-S from XoticPC.

Should be in my hands this coming Tuesday.

I already have a 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD waiting for it.

 

Hi,
since there are a couple of complaints about the bad 2-finger-scrolling... same here. In January I tried the Chiral-Motion-scrolling-function for the first time and I have to say I like it more than any other scrolling-feature I tried before. It takes a little time to get used to it, but it's worth trying. I just mention this because I have not seen any comment on that before in this thread.

 

Especially given the form factor, I treated myself to the 850 evo though

 

I finally solved my problem with ACPI.sys on Windows 8.1!!!!
I installed Windows 7, haha!!

I REALLY recommend everyone to try Windows 7 with this laptop!

It seems as if the laptop has not been tested properly with Windows 8.1 and the BIOS / ACPI makes it a real pain!

With Windows 7 the following is fixed:

- Battery Throttling CPU also when HotKey is installed
- HotKey actually works correctly now! (Nice animations when controlling sound and backlight)
- ACPI.sys System Interrupts are completely gone!
- Overall performance issues and high CPU load while idle (In my experience)
- Very quick response (Keyboard, mouse, screen and so on) when using sleep (It was sluggy on Win8.1)
- Synaptics driver works much better! All the settings apply correctly and they stick. Again not optimized for Win8

And for that I lost:
- Quick boot, but who cold-boots anyway?
- The ugly interface

Other thoughts:
Win7 highly recommended with this laptop!
It can be a little hard to find the Ethernet Driver from RealTek, since the Win8.1 driver from Clevo does not work.
Benchmark performance is the exact same, but the system seems snappier and applications respond quicker.

 

Hi

We have been asked this question before via email, I think it is because a French reseller said that you couldn't run both M.2 slots in this chassis if the first M.2 was an XP941. This is incorrect, you can run PCIex4 in M.2 slot 1 and SATA M.2 in PCIe slot 2 without any issues at all

 

Just be aware you are still under the bandwidth limit for chipset connected devices of 1.7GB sec total.

 

I think he issue is more that the page states 1xpcie or 2xmsata for the promotional material. Making it seem like you get 2 mdata drives or 1 pcie drive but no combinations

 

Ah ok, that'll be from the Clevo website then I assume? It lists "Factory Option" in the storage so I would always recommend going from the specifications and options from the actual seller rather than the Clevo website as this will be more accurate for customers. Ultimately it's our job to provide accurate information to our customers based on the hardware that we sell and any factory options that we may or may not take up, the Clevo website isn't really intended as a reference for owners of the laptops but more as a library of chassis that Clevo manufacturer.

 

Actually I'm talking about this http://puu.sh/hiqhW/ee482a0e91.png from sagers website and all resellers of sagers.

 

This is why I love Windows 7

 

Listed in sig for overclocks for my machine. I assume my silicon isnt as good as @Cakefish since he can achieve +300MHz on core clock... Not trading in my machine though since my CPU actually does keep 3.39-3.42GHz under load.

 

You still on the stock PSU?

 

So does my 4710HQ
I think that depends more on the cooling paste and how it is applied than the actual difference in silicon..
Sure they are a little different, but mine went from 3.09 Ghz to 3.4 Ghz by just changing my cooling paste!

 

I just installed Prema mod, and was having trouble booting OSX. So I went through and changed a boot setting (UEFI) and I disabled nvideo (or something like that). Now it turns on but the monitor doesn't turn on (external or built-in).

How can I restore the bios to default settings?

 

Unplug the laptop. Open the bottom cover, disconnect the Li-ion battery and remove the button battery. Wait for about a minute before putting everything back. Reboot to Windows to fix the CMOS time.

 

Done- thanks. On the P650SE the battery is under the keyboard.

When booting OSX (Clover boot loader) I was getting a garbled display. So I thought it my be related to the "Launch Video OpRom policy" (this is what stopped my display working at all).

Does anyone know what Bios settings could be causing this? Worked fine on the stock bios.

 

That's not a BIOS issue - that's an OS X issue. See here.