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    *** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by jaybee83, Oct 13, 2014.

  1. kaded

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    I tested it with 10 mins. stress test in XTU and did a valley, heaven, firestrike and 3dmark 11 benchmark and it seemed stable. These shutdowns happened while browsing the web and it gave me no bluescreens at all. Previously it would, if it was something about the undervolt.
     
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    Hum correct this is weird. Is it a shutdown or a reboot that your laptop does without BSOD?

    EDIT: Does it happen on battery or when plugged-in?
     
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    It is a shutdown not a reboot. I can't remember about the power source right now :/ I have it at -45 mV and haven't had any shutdowns for a whole day so I'll write here again if it happens :)
     
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    Well looks like I won the silicone lottery this time, have the core stable at +300, gonna get it even farther up today. My 860m capped out at +290!
     
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    @Sebi97
    Yes the 970m overclocks damn well! What happened since your yesterday post when you couldn't go past +200 on core?

    @kaded
    Then it is weird, keep us updated!
     
  6. Sebi97

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    Jean, i dont know! I ran ccleaner, cleaned up C drive a lot and now it is all good. My C drive had ~200mb left when I couldn't get the core over 200. Guess that was the issue :p
     
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    What PSU have you got?
     
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    I think I've reached my limit, getting 8245 in firestrike compared to the 8389 of the 980m. I think I can call the 970m OC = 980m stock, that extra 100 points is not a big difference. (not even a whole fps)
     
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    Very nice! You even beat HTWingNut with his very good 970m then. Can you share your settings?

     
  10. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    Thats a great OC!
     
  11. Sebi97

    Sebi97 Notebook Evangelist

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    Just broke 10000 on the graphics category of Firestrike... That is more than the 980m... Lets keep going!

    Temps max out at 66 degrees, this is fans set on max and a Notepal X-Slim cooling pad. I am so impressed with this machine
     
  12. Cakefish

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    Ah I see, you have a 980M. That's one almighty boost you have there! Nice B)

    If I had a 240W PSU I think I could push my 980M to similar levels of overclock.

    I've sent an email to Scan about the AUO/LG display shenanigans but they haven't replied yet. Something tells me they won't! I know there's not much that can be done now, but I'd like them to acknowledge their mistake.
     
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    All done, I'm not doing any more work.
    in conclusion, I have the core on +400, the memory on +640. The score beats the GTX 980m stock in Firestrike. Temperatures peaked at 71 degrees with fans on max and on a cooling pad. Final score in Firestrike was 8680
    http://i.imgur.com/DyetpXO.png
     
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    Wow that's a nice score, but a crazy overvolt! I do not know how of a powerdrinker is the 970m in comparison with the 980m, but you better watch your PSU if you game on this config.
     
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    Excellent, +400 on the core and about a 42% increase in Firestrike score in comparison to a stock 970M, looks like the overclock scales very well with the performance - about a 40% increase in core clock and about a 40% increase in performance, so it doesn't throttle at all or anything, and no bottlenecks with the memory because you increased the overclock there too.
     
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    That is an insane memory overclock (let alone the core). I assume that either the 980M must use different VRAM chips to the 970M or he just hit jackpot on the silicon lottery?
     
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    The VRAM frequency of the 970M and 980M are the same according to notebookcheck.net - 2500Mhz - so you'd think that they'd have the same type of VRAM chips in terms of voltage & capabilities - that's what I think anyway. Sometimes you get lucky I reckon with the silicon lottery!
     
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    Yeah, thinking about it, I remember that my original 980M in my P35X v3 (jeez, I've gone through three of these things in under a year!) could get up to around +550 on the memory. Funny how the slimmest notebook actually had the most clockable memory! Lottery indeed.

    Also, did Crysis 3 get a massive fps boost in recent drivers? While testing out my overclock settings last night I had it running at 60fps maxed out (1x SMAA). Didn't play for long, but pretty incredible!

    I'll be testing more soon.
     
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    I haven't seen anything about performance increases in recent driver notes for Crysis 3 - I pretty much always read the driver notes before installing the latest version.
     
  20. kaded

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    My sweetspot is at +322 at core and +418 at memory with +112.5 mV and no cooling pad or anything. I think I can do with lower voltage so I have to try more :D
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5420982 Max temp was 88 degrees.
     
  21. jeanjackstyle

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    Haha now you guys are too close to me! I will investigate gpu OC then. Do you have in mind a pretty nice gpu OC/UV guide? To have an idea
     
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    Clevo P75xZM 'Batman' thread. Second post. Courtesy of Jaybee83.

    I will have to try it again to make sure I wasn't imagining things!
     
  23. Artemiy

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    Well, quite a bit of time has passed, are there any remedies yet for the grain on the Sharp 4k screen? That's the primary reason I'm not using my Clevo much (that and pretty lackluster audio - that or the one in Vaio I'm used to was just that good).

    That said, all this glorious power and pixels in a fairly small package sure make heavy development and gaming easier and more fun than ever.
     
  24. gooface

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    is it even safe to overclock the 980m on the stock 180w PSU? If so I might try for like 125mhz or something.
     
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    I think as long as you are not overvolting you're really fine. I'm gaming at +100/+100 since I have the laptop and everything is fine since then.
     
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    About to install Prema Mod on my P650SE, but i'm stuck on step 0.5
    As instructed in the README, i've made sure there is no BIOS or HDD password, and also disabled Intel Anti Theft Technology. But im having trouble disabling UEFI. I disable it in the BIOS, save and reset, and then it wont let me boot up my computer. It says "PXE-E53: No boot filename received" I don't want to go ahead with installing Prema Mod if UEFI is going to be problematic, but at the same time it wont let me boot the computer unless its enabled. Any ideas?
     
  27. Meaker@Sager

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    If installed in UEFI mode the OS wont boot in legacy mode. Usually bios updates involve using a usb drive though rather than updating from the HDD.
     
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    Backlight bleed, why do you exist? Hnnngggaaarrrggghhh!!!!!!!!!

    I really want to be rid of the backlight bleed. I've yet to come across an IPS panel that hasn't got some. My biggest bugbear with this display technology.
     
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  29. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    All IPS I've owned (5?) have had backlight bleeding. Just a part of the tech, should be hard to notice when you're booted into the OS. I usually just see if during boot up.
     
  30. jeanjackstyle

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    When is it annoying you on your new screen Cakefish? I can see it only when booting too.
     
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    I can notice it against black backgrounds too. Once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it!

    At least I know that I'm not alone.

    For all that IPS improves over TN it's still worth it to me but I never have had any noticeable backlight bleed on any TN panel. IPS was so close to being perfect.

    Against black backgrounds, so during boot up and during a dark movie/game with lots of black/dark colours. For example, I notice it during every brief transition in Valley benchmark when the screen briefly fades to black. Yeah.. it's pretty much just black or really dark colours where it's noticeable.

    I'd say it is slightly better than the previous P651SG but possibly only because the screen physically can't get as bright as the Sharp display could.

    The black electrical tape fix doesn't seem possible here. When I look at the naked display the panel is bound together by what looks like some really strong adhesive tape. I really don't know if it's possible to dismantle the metal frame around the panel whilst keeping the ability to put it all back together in one piece.

    I have tried slipping papery-cardboard in between the metal frame and the back of the backlight to try to apply a bit more pressure to close the gaps. It looked like it had worked until I screwed the display back on and popped the bezel back in. Might just be a balancing act or it might truly be a lost cause.

    Displays are one of the areas where I'm most OCD about my gadgets. Bleeding drives me crazy! Gah! :(
     
  32. gooface

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    I wonder when Clevo will have windows 10 drivers out for this model...
     
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    You may be able to find them directly from hardware manufacturers.
     
  34. gooface

    gooface Notebook Evangelist

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    True, but I am talking about like the hotkey driver and airplane mode driver and the updated creative sound software suite.
     
  35. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    I see. If I remember right, when 8 was released they had drivers available pretty much on the official launch day.
     
  36. gooface

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    Lets hope they keep it up with windows 10, I remember they put out a new Bios too or near the release date as well.
     
  37. Samot

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    delete...
     
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    The bios level changes are less this time.
     
  39. Fineater

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    Hey, I want to buy this notebook (P65OSG most likely) and I am not sure if I should go with the m.2 disk or not. I have one 256GB SSD (2.5") that I will be installing in the notebook right away. Is there any advantage in the m.2 ssd over the 2.5"? Maybe I could use the 120GB m.2 SSD for operating system and the 2.5" SSD for games but I think that might be a bit of an overkill. Xotic doesn't let me throw out the 1TB HDD on the configuration page so I can't even use the bigger one as storage and the smaller one for OS/speed demanding programs.

    What do you guys think? I definitely don't feel like I need all the SSD space but it saves me just $60 to remove the m.2 ssd altogether so I don't know if I should keep it or not :)))
     
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    You can always remove the HDD yourself if you want, keep it to the side as a backup/for warranty returns.

    The M.2 PCI-E slot is technically faster than the 2.5" bays but not so that you would notice.
     
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    Hi guys,
    I'm really debating if purchase P651SE or not. I'm not a big gamers so I don't know if 965m or 970m si the best For me.
    As I hate when laptops get too hot and noisy surfing the web only, Does anyone know the difference in temperature between these two video card in idle/full load? Do You think I have to get worried about the temp and noise with i4710hq and 970m?


    Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk
     
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    Due to optimus the dedicated GPU is powered off during low level usage (non 3d) so there is no difference in battery/idle noise between the different Nvidia chips.
     
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    Temps in the P65xSx series are really great, only batman with a 85W cpu throttles a little.
     
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    Thanks a lot guys. Very probably I'm going to purchase this laptop with the following configurations:
    i7-4710HQ
    No HDD as I got SSD 840 EVO 256gb
    Gtx 970m
    Killer Wi-Fi 1525
    4gb ram (I will replace them with 2x8gb 1600mhz CL9)
    IPS 1920x1080 AUO

    I think it's the best I can get with my budget here in Italy.

    @wickette what is batman??
     
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    It's the thicker machine with the desktop CPU (P7xxZ series). That looks like a great setup :)
     
  46. wickette

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    Your setup isn't falling into useless expenses. No 4k screen altrough w8.1 and gaming in general isn't ready for that, no M.2 sata ssd : overheating and uber-expansive, altrough traditional ssd are blazing fast. So that's why i like it.

    A little advice maybe, take a Intel 7265 i have it's a great wifi card, killer card a really great but have a lot of driver/software bugs (jitter, lag etc). Plus the intel counterpart is less expansive, think about it by reading maybe some tests/user feedbacks.

    If you're opening the laptop for the ram upgrade, you should consider pasting the cpu/gpu with IC7 thermal paste too :), if you're really not familiar with that than don't do it, but it's quite a useful thing to do. There are many tutorial videos on that matter.




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    Could someone please upload the latest Hotkey software available on the clevo website, their ftp server is CRAP,... total CRAP.
     
  47. E.D.U.

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    There you go: Hotkey 3.20.35
     
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    Are the ports for connecting external displays wired to the Intel or the Nvidia?

    I'm just curious about whether the final Oculus could theoretically work with the 650SE when it comes out and I suppose that if the Nvidia card can drive the HDMI - it shouldn't be impossible
     
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    Thanks a lot :). They really have to fix those servers ....
     
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    Peak temperature without overvolt and cooling pad: 77C GPU, 83C CPU. As for the results being that different, I'm not entirely sure how 3DMark grades that well. Ha ha!

    No fix except to exchange the display sadly. I'm used to mine too much, especially when its not pure white and I'm at arms length away.
     
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