*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

Hi,

I've owned a Sager 8652 for about two years now. I've been running into overheating problems which definitely weren't present when I first bought the laptop. Opened it up, cleaned all the vents. Well, it turns out not only was it dusty, but the original thermal paste was degrading. There wasn't full contact with the die and heatsink.

Sager gave me two sticks (one thick, one a little thin) of what I assume to be OEM thermal compound. I went ahead, removed the remnants of the old stuff with good 'ol Iso alcohol and a plastic scraper. Cleaned die with RayBan Microfiber cloth. I then applied a carefully cut square each on the GPU and CPU die and screwed the heat sink back on (which was tight, since the paste was a thick solid.)

Well, I screw everything back in place, run Call of Duty BO3, and it becomes worse than before. I'm talking 200+ F temps. Which was considerably worse than when I went and cleaned the vents (I was getting around 190 before). I can't even play any of my games above 45 fps any longer. Does anyone have any experience putting on the OEM paste from Sager?

 

You probably applied a thermal pad. Try to find Grizzly Kryonaut, Gelid Extreme or Arctic MX-4 (by order of preference) on local shops.

 

Those pads are included for adding M.2 drives. As above get one of the pastes mentioned to do a re-apply.

 

Hey guys,

Got a problem with my Schenker (clevo) German brand. P651.
My i7 4720hq hits during gaming (Pubg) max 99° c. Gtx 970m is "fine" with about max 80° c.
Had to disable the turbo boost (windows max power options to 99%) - Without the turbo the temperature of CPU is fine with about ~ 76° C.

So 3 questions:
1. That's not normal for this model?!
2. Should I try to repast? Half year ago I used grizzly kyronaut. Maybe something went wrong?! Maybe the heatsink is broken, I've read they often get broken...

Please, can someone send me a photo of where they are thermal pads? Especially in the heatsinks? I only recognized one of my m2 ssd. I recognize I haven't thermal
pads and others have, saw them on a photo a few pages ago. I'm not sure if a buddy of mine removed them during repast the compound...

Big thanks!

Regards

 

When did you last clean the heatsink?

 

Uhm.. Never. Do you mean to clean it with alcohol or remove dust from it?

Regards

 

Yes, opening the bottom up, holding the fans still and then using compressed air to blow out any dust. Shining a torch through the gaps will double check there is not a matt stuck between the fan and metal.

 

Ups sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes I did this, but unfortunately it didn' hhelped (much).

 

Did you check like I said that you could clearly see light through the heatsink and there was not a carpet hiding inbetween?

 

Thanks I will give it a try the next days, will try to renew the thermal compound.. But I'm not 100% sure, if I'll get the right amount of compound

 

Slightly too much is better than not enough but practise a couple of times to make sure you get good coverage and are not putting on way too much. Remember that a bare die needs less than one with the metal heat spreader.

 

Replace the thermal paste

I have the same model and I think the max CPU temp was 80º in peak summer. Now it's 75 I think, must test it
I might get better temps because I replaced my CPU cooler with one from the P651RE.

 

It does sound on the hot side of things yes so worth checking it

 

Where did you get the that new CPU heatsink? Is that alone a big difference?

 

Just bought it from Obsidian-PC, but it has to be modded to fit the P651SE.
I don't think it's worth it. Just did it because I was at the Obsidian warehouse and nagged João to perform this "upgrade".
But the cost is about 50/60€ plus, there is always some risk in cutting the heatsink to fit the P651SE.
Here are some photos.
There was a thread in TechInferno that had the gains of changing the cooler, I think I saw a 2º drop.

EDIT: The price is getting better since I last checked the P650RE heatsink. Here is a listing.

 

Hi Guys, I´m here with an update:
I replaced the GPU+CPU thermal paste (Grizzly Kyronaut)
and I also cleaned the Heatsink of CPU+GPU as far as possible.
Temps during gaming are better now:
Before: CPU +-99° C, GPU 80° C
Now: CPU -+90° C, GPU 73° C
...I have to test it further
Without Intel turbo boost I got about 78° C.
this brings me to the point that I correctly replaced the paste but unfortunately it seems my CPU heatsink is broke?
For now I can´t find a heatsink for Clevo P651SE..

Edit: I'll try to undervolt the next days, maybe it helps. I'l use throttle stop but first I have to read some guides how to undervolt correctly.

 

Why do you think the heatsink is broken? Depending on your room temperature it might be a good value.

 

Thanks for fast response. The room temperature is ~ 23° C. Laptop stands on table made out of wood.

Regards

 

Giving those room temps it seems a reasonable temperature. But wait for other responses.

You can improve it by undervolting. Just apply -40mv to CPU and Cache most i7 4th Generation can do it I think.

 

I'l give it a try asap. Will report. Do you prefer intel xtu or throttlestop?
How can I "stresstest" those settings? Benchmarking? I'
not a friend of prime...
Sounds at least nice if you mean that's reasonable temperatures.

 

The CPU temps are not abnormal for that heatsink, an undervolt will help yes. Also try propping the back of the machine a couple of CM, this will help the fans breathe.

 

Use throttlestop. It has a bench that you can use to test temps.

 

been away for a while, do we already have a bios update that addresses the spectre, etc vulnerabilities?

 

No, and I doubt we will ever have.

Although I'm thinking of trying to mod the latest BIOS to unlock the menus and apply the microcode updates that protect against those vulnerabilities.

 

Hello, first time posting here, but I've had the Clevo P650SE for a a couple years now, but I've always kept it at the stock settings and never really looked into upgrading it until now. Thanks to this forum, I've been able to make it run as good as new by cleaning out the heatsink and reapplying thermal compound to the GPU and CPU (Arctic mx 4 is my choice). I have a few questions though that I haven't been able to find answers to.

What type of RAM should I buy to add more? Currently I know there's two sticks of 4gb in the DIMM slots under the keyboard, so I would like to add another couple sticks of 4 in the bottom 2 DIMM slots. Is there a way I can find out the latency, voltage, clock speed, and whatever else is needed to have them fully be compatible?

What are some decent SSD's for the M.2 slot? I actually just recently found out that these laptops even had that option available, and I would absolutely love to have one.

Lastly, is there anything other than RAM and a new SSD that I can do to upgrade the P650SE? I believe I still have it running off a 5400RPM HDD, which is pretty slow.

 

CPU-Z will confirm the exact ram speed and timings. Match the sticks with those and slot them in, no issues. 1.35V DDR3L required.

860 evo M.2 are a great balance of performance/price/capacity.

The SSD will give your machine a new lease of life, other than that tweaking the GPU clocks could help gaming performance.

 

Thank you for the information! As for tweaking the GPU clocks, do you have any suggestions on what software to use for that and by how much should I increase the core clock and memory clock speeds? I was testing Dark Souls 3 settings on max and HWMonitor says the GPU usage was at 98%, however the temperature didn't go above 65C.

 

Or a Crucial MX300 Or even the previous 850 models.

NvInspector. Try to use ThrottleStop to "Overclock" the max turbo multiplier and perform some undervolt.

 

MSI afterburner is also good for getting easy to read information.

 

I would not use Afterburner for monitoring as it will keep the dGPU awake the entire time. HWiNFO64 is better on Optimus notebooks.

 

You can apply at boot but not have the application run and monitor. You only need to open it when you need to monitor temperatures.

 

Enabling/disabling hardware monitoring requires AB to be restarted, which is inconvenient compared to HWiNFO64, which can be kept running in the background and handles the sleeping/waking of Optimus GPUs properly.

 

Hey guys, anyone tried the following realtek driver?

https://premamod.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/j95-realtek/

Looks like it has some nice features, but does it work on our machine? P650SE here.

 

I thinks that is an old mod that is no longer necessary.

 

I need help. My clevo p651se won't boot anymore, i m so depressed i have already spend a lot of money to change the mobo of my brother's computer. Config : i7 4710hq gtx 970m bios : premamod. Win 10 on a m.2 samsung 950 pro . Yesterday i got a bsod , it came from intel xtu ,i was on the internet plus looking at old map in minecraft (nostalgia), i downvolted by -0.04 v and augment clock of one processor to 3.7ghz.after that for 4 hour the computer worked well . i put it to sleep by closing the screen, and then in the morning i opened it there wasn't any backlight on the screen, the keyboard was lit on, the first(left) led and the two first right led were lit on ,and then after some seconds while these leds were lit on the three led next to the first left one were blinking. The fans were spining at Maximum speed, still no sound or backlight on the screen. Turning it off on by pressing the power button is don't change anything. Help i need the computer for my study too!

 

Can someone please help
I have p650 re3 i updated the graphics drives via geforce mid installation the display went black after taht i restarted but after showing windows logo it would just go black i went to bios and changed the dGPU with MS hybrid and now it wont even show bios or any display fams are running keyboard and mouse also working.
Please help thank you

 

THX GOD , the computer work again just had to unplug the battery , press power button 20 second , unplug cmos battery(under keyboard) and wait 10 min and then replug everything, i feel so light right now ^^.

to Mehmood98 if you do as i do : unplug the battery , press power button 20 second , unplug cmos battery(under keyboard) and wait 10 min and then replug everything.

this will remove any change you've done in the bios , so at least you can maybe accede to windows 10.

still a question , i want to buy a new fan for the cpu, there are 2 model , this one:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/New-...op-CPU-Cooling-Fan-6-31P6502/32788453374.html

and this one (original one) : https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/New-...top-CPU-Cooling-Fan-cooler-6/32829316722.html

isn't the first one better to flow air into the grid?

 

Unplug, remove the main battery, remove the CMOS battery, wait 60 seconds. That should be enough for a reset.

 

The images might be different, but you'll probably get the same fan on both.

 

Hey guys,
I've just started running a few games on my P650SG (late to the party, I know), and have notice the CPU cores hits 99c. Is this expected under load or should I re-paste?

 

It turns out it wasn't working right. Cracked open the laptop and replaced the thermal pads with grease on both the Video Card and GPU. Fans were also clogged up with dust.

Max is now 80c on full load.

 

Hi,

I have a Sage 8652 / P650SG and would like to install a SSD and boot from it, Samsung 960 NVME. I understand that the current bios might not support NVME. have this been confirmed to not work? Do you happen to know if the Prema Mod adds support to NVME drive?

If a new bios works (either prema mod or updated from manufacturer), where can in download the latest bios for this machine, i went to premamod.com but all I get is a page asking for an email address.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards,
forbitel.

 

The 860 series is SATA based so will work without issue.

 

Hi,

I too was looking for the Prema Mod bios for P650SG but didn't have much luck. Ideally you want to get a bios update from your notebook vendor.

I did come across a Mirror of the Clevo bios repository in my search but didn't try these http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-bios-older-models-released-in-after-2014.790474/

 

Hi, i meant to say 960 EVO NVME.

 

Those should run without an issue. My only doubt is if the NVME protocol will be activated. I'll try to talk to @John@OBSIDIAN-PC to see if he has a NVME SSD in stock so I can test it when I visit him no April 30th.

Also, If I can grab a 144Hz IPS screen, I'll also test it

 

If NVME is not there the drive simply wont work.

 

I've seen some nvme ssds running on this model, so it means the nvme protocol is activated?

 

If it's running then in that specific machine it is.

 

Hi,
Just found out the keyboard on my XMG P505 / P651SE is only half working. Some keys I need to press multiple times before the keypress registers with Windows.
External keyboard works fine. Anyone familiar with this issue? I have heard sometimes these things can be caused by a swolen battery, might have to open it up to check it out.
Thanks.

EDIT: Found some time to open it up. Battery is OK, not influencing keyboard anyway. Disconnected and reconnected keyboard cables, chopped strip of to get clean connectors.
All no help.