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I didn't notice they removed the other link. Remove it from your quote.

 

Hello , recently a problem occured on my clevo p651se;
some keys ( w a s z x shift alt left (translated to english keyboard)) work weirdly.
if i push them, for let's say some seconds, and then i release them , they are physically up but not for the computer where they are still pushed down for some seconds ( sometimes more than 10 seconds!!) after i released them ( hope you understand ^^) .
i bought a new keyboard , still waiting for it to come.
I wanted to know if someone had this kind of problem, i think that it's maybe due to the temperature of the cpu , since he is under those keys , it can have damaged the keyboard.

 

When you press the key down, hold it and listen for a "click." The keypress should "stop" at the exact time you hear the click. If you hear the click for that key, then it's a problem with the electrical contacts in the key itself. You can take the rubber off (melt glue with heat gun) and clean the contacts with a solvent and q-tip, some people have had success with that. If you DON'T hear the click, then you are likely having Embedded Controller problems and replacing the keyboard may not fix the problem. This problem seems to be common among AMI-based motherboards for something like the past 10 years at least, based on a fairly thorough internet search.

I had the exact same problem as you for my W, A, S and D keys. I reflashed my EC and it fixed the A, S and D, but did not fix the W.

Let us know how the keyboard replacement goes.

I'm mostly talking about the complete lack of support beyond what's required to sell units. In another thread in this forum, an owner of a Clevo-based reseller laptop had no alternative but to ask Prema for his custom BIOS in order to enable NVMe drive support on his laptop. A fixed/newer version from his reseller simply didn't exist. That's a complete supply, logistic and support chain failure, from AMI to the board manufacturers (different from Clevo, from what I've been able to determine), to Clevo, then the resellers. I'm shocked that this type of issue isn't outlined and prevented in licensing requirements in at least one step of the supply chain.

 

I meant that mobile gaming performance isn't worth the headache of dealing with unsupported unique hardware. It's much easier when it's possible to just send a malfunctioning motherboard for electronics recycling then buy a suitable replacement from a dozen different manufacturers in exactly the same form factor.

It's very frustrating to deal with "have you tried turning it off and back on again"-tier tech support when the only reason you're calling them is because they have a monopoly on the tools to fix the problem, only to find out that the tools themselves haven't been updated since the manufacturer considers the product "end of life" and not worth updating further.

 

The MB all come from Clevo directly. Most companies like this outsource some manufacturing but Clevo laptops are all Clevo mainboards.

It's not an AMI issue at all, that's just the BIOS platform. NVME support comes from a supporting chipset and then everything else from a firmware point of view supports that. If you're referring to the problem that I think you are, it was surrounding talk that a certain laptop wouldn't support an NVME boot drive. This was a rumour that surfaced and I never really understood it because we offered NVME from the start and tested in pre-production stages without any issues. If a reseller couldn't provide the support then that should reflect on the reseller, but the stock BIOS supported NVME no problem.

Maybe you're referring to a different case though, I could of course be wrong.

 

thanks Hossbando for answering
i pressed the z key (the most buggy) on notepad , i released it and it continued to write "z" until i heard a click and it stopped writing.
I think that it's a electrical contact problem too .
i will install the new keyboard when i receive it , don't have time to heat and clean a keyboard ^^.
thx again , (thought i was alone with this problem)

 

You're welcome. Good luck!

This thread, specifically http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvme-bios-support-for-clevo-p750zm.819000/
The owners thread for that model is also peppered with the NVMe problem.

 

I previously was using the Prema mod but then flashed with stock at some point. I have new hardware so I want to flash back to Prema to overclock RAM. I want to disable turbo on the CPU and force it to run at max non-turbo speed so that it is independent from the OS, always at 2.6GHz. I didn't use the VBIOS previously, but I am runnign a 980M, the cooling check alone would be worth it to me. So, this is based on the second to last released BIOS, what is missing from it other than microcode updates?

 

hi , the replacement of the keyboard worked well, the problem diseappeared. it is harder to press key on this keybaord , but that's maybe because it's new.

 

Glad to hear it worked out!

 

It supports NVMe drives, but not as boot drives. It lacks the UEFI driver so the BIOS can see the drive at boot time. And don't mix PCI-E AHCI drives with PCI-E NVMe one's.

 

the P650SE has no issue whatsoever booting from an nvme drive.

 

Which one are you using?

 

I am using Samsung SM951 AHCI 512GB which takes advantage of the PCI-E speeds.

There isn't an option for NVME in BIOS even with Prema. Although according to some reports. Some have used Samsung 950 PRO NVME drive to boot, although the drive is not recognized as NVME in the operating system. It runs in AHCI mode. It's more like a compatibility mode for specific drives.
https://www.tenforums.com/drivers-hardware/67039-using-nvme-ssd-ahci-vs-raid-mode.html

 

Exactly what I thought he might be using.

 

It has, please don't spread wrong information.
You might be able to use it as a boot drive if you install the bootloader (grub) in another disk and then you can boot from it.
The thing is, the boot drive is in fact the one with the bootloader.

This is a AHCI drive, and the BIOS has support for it.
My only question is, if a NVMe drive can be booted in AHCI mode and use the NVMe protocol after the OS is loaded.

And the answer is no

Because at boot time the drive runs in compatibility mode, and Windows will load it like that and won't change it to NVMe mode.
If you boot from a SATA drive you can use the NVMe disk in Windows with the NVMe protocol.

I saw a modified BIOS (was it in this thread?) for the P65x SA (965M model) that had the NVMe UEFI module baked in so you could boot from a NVMe drive.

 

Hi @Prema It's been a while (3.5 years really) since I last installed your Mod (this version to be exact, Prema Mod 1.03.03PM v1, 1/3/2015)
Now I read few months or even a year ago that there is V2 for my laptop (P650SG as in my signature). Now that I have some free time, I'd like to try updating my Bios and maybe vBios too
I tried to check your website and wordpress but it's either down or doesn't contain your work anymore.

Do you recommend me to install this newer V2? If so, could you please share the latest version you have?

Many thanks

 

I actually had the same problem about a year after my purchase and immediately contacted XoticPC for replacement. They agreed to gave me a new keyboard as it was still under warranty..
Now recently (after about 2 years+ since the 1st replacement) this issue reappear as well. Now that I read your thread, it all made sense. Apparently it took about a year or more depending on your regular CPU tempt and whether you press "W" during those high heat (mostly adventure/action game) I assume. Read more below

Continuing the post, I tried the click test and long pressed "W". After I lifted it, the "W" press still going. Right after it stops, I can hear more like a "pop" which sounds a lot like the membrane going back to unpressed state. So I guess my "W" membrane are getting sticky again due to pressed during high CPU temp session. I might need to research a bit on cleaning the rubber etc2 and see if it's viable for me to do.

 

first of all, check my post history, i provided plenty of proof of my nvme samsung 950 pro 512 gb running as a boot drive. i never used grub or anything like that, i just installed windows 10 from a usb stick without problems. the first time i just cloned the drive i was replacing, a sata samsung evo 850 250gb, but a year later, i fully wiped and reformatted using just the windows 10 usb installer. if you need more proof then... tell me what i can show you to prove it.

 

an update on my earlier post regarding keyboard issue. bought a new keyboard for the laptop from aliexpress for $24. took a while to get it, but it is exactly like the original keyboard, the backlighting works as well. very happy.

 

Hi there, after almost 3.5 years I’m looking for a new lap, my old p650 still performs perfectly but it would be good to have more gpu power.

I’m wondering if there were any similar model with updated specs with the same excellent thermal capabilities.

Would you wait for the new gen of graphics cards?


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The P650 line is EOL. The P650HS-G with the i7-7700HQ and GTX 1070 is the last version (came out 1+ years ago), if you can still find it for sale.

 

Take a photo of you BIOS, listing the detected disks.

 

@Atvaark
Do you have the option for NVME / AHCI? Or does it only show AHCI / RAID through the actual list?

 

Hi all, I have a P650sg with a killer wifi card but am experiencing a lot of disconnections and Bluetooth is flaky at best. I wanted to upgrade to an Intel card with AC and Bluetooth 5. Can anyone give a recommendation? From searching I can only find M.2 card and I do not know if these are compatible with the P650sg since the original killer card that came with it is a mini pci base one.

 

Intel 9260 for speed and compatibility between operating systems [form factor 2280 fits the slot]

 

Appreciate the recommendation, thank you! Ordering one now.

 

already did a long time ago. but here.

 

It does not detect any disk... How can you boot into windows?

Can you take a print of your boot devices list?

 

sure, here you go. the only thing i changed since back then was add a 1tb sata ssd for more storage and the convenience of not losing everything if i reformat, but i can assure you it's not a boot drive. anything else i can do to clear your doubts? also the 950 pro is incapable of functionning as ahci so there's no faking nvme. i should add that everything in running in uefi only mode, no legacy

 

Delete /m

 

I had the exact same configuration but with a 960 Evo and I had no luck.

 

hm. odd. is there any difference between the 950 pro and the 960 evo? i'll buy one to test it out, will report later. And my desktop is still using a mechanical hdd with my old 850 evo sata ssd, so it will make a nice upgrade, won't be wasted even if i fail.

 

Yes the controller is a newer generation pure nvme one.

 

Ok, this might be the reason.

 

It would interfere with legacy options.

 

Upgraded my wireless card to the Intel 9260 m.2 and I'm underwhelmed by the performance. I was expecting lower latencies with true wireless Bluetooth headsets since it being Bluetooth 5 and all but audio and video still do not sync. Very notice with YouTube.

 

The device needs to be BT5 too and decent quality, my Sony xb950 is pretty instantaneous.

 

Hi, can you provide the link for this purchase? Thanks a bunch

 

I had a problem with my P650SE where the left hinge kept splitting open whilst opening the lid. Eventually the mounting point snapped where the metal hinge bracket connects with the lid via 3 cross-headed screws. For the meantime I have stuck the hinge with Gorilla Glue (I know, sounds bad) but I will need to purchase a replacement lid because I intend on selling the laptop before the end of the year comes.



I contacted the vendor PC Specialist here in the UK, but they want £35 for a brushed-aluminium lid with an additional £6 in postage costs. That is a tad expensive considering there is nothing wrong with the actual lid itself, it's just the mounting points within the plastic that have broken. And that will be £35 off the price of the laptop when I come to sell it.

Are there any other places I can purchase a replacement lid, with shipping to the UK? I would love to switch to a new laptop but I can't until this disaster has been sorted.

 

Nothing will be cheaper than that, it's a very fair price. You can't repair plastics like that.

 

Sure, fair enough. I guess it's just a reluctance to spend the money since I intended on selling the laptop in 3-4 months time. The Gorilla Glue is actually holding up pretty well at the moment, but the bezel refuses to clip in properly in the bottom-left corner where the broken hinge is located, causing a gap to remain visible between the bezel and lid. At least if I do order the replacement lid, it will be a repair I can carry out myself rather than sending it off to be repaired and adding even more to the overall cost.

Aside from what I feel is a tacky keyboard, the only complaint I have to make about this laptop is in regards to the hinge mechanism. Ever since the first day when it arrived, the hinges have sounded strained and caused the lid to wobble about a lot. I think laptops with a hinge that runs along the entire width are better and more stable. But that is a small issue in what is otherwise a great machine!

 

It may have a been a loose screw then causing it to sound odd.

 

Quite possibly. Since it doesn't seem like I'll be able to get the replacement lid any cheaper, I shall just order it and next time consider buying a laptop with a slightly more substantial hinge mechanism.

In regards to which laptop I choose next, I'm not sure. I don't have much interest in gaming nowadays, but I would love to play Forza Horizon 4 when it comes out, so I'm just hanging on until the system requirements are announced and then I will make a decision from there. I would prefer a 14" laptop but that limits my choices a bit.

 

The current 15 inch mobile cpu machines are lighter and a fully metal chassis so will avoid this.

 

I see. I could easily look past a smaller 14" laptop for a 15" model lighter than the P650SE with more substantial build quality, in particular the lid/screen stability.

I'm looking to improve in terms of keyboard (RGB would be great) and speakers. A bump in screen resolution would be appreciated but needs to remain matte-coated. For storage I'd be considering 250GB SSD (Bonus points for NVMe) and 1 or 2TB HDD. I haven't decided on GPU but options would be GTX 1050 / 1050 Ti / 1060 or older 900-series equivalents and SLI variants.

There are a lot of options available, if including 15" laptops. I like the MSI GS63 range but they're a bit expensive. I'm on a tight budget so may consider the second-hand market, with caution.

 

Sure. However on my bt5 phone my Sony wf1000x works flawlessly. Not so with my laptop.

 

What WiFi card did you have?

 

Intel 9260

 

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