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Sounds like a weird compatibility issue @comicgeek

 

Just thought I'd mention this since it has been bugging me for several months. If anyone is experiencing an annoying lag of about 4-5 seconds on the lockscreen after resuming from sleep mode, which causes your password to be entered incorrectly, I found it is caused by the Synaptics 19.0.19 driver that Windows installs by default on a new installation.

Just remove it and the problem will disappear. Then you can install the older 19.0.13 Synaptics driver from the Clevo website which does not have the same issue. I suppose most people here use the fingerprint scanner but I find it to be unreliable.

 

I don't know what fun they have been having with their drivers in recent years

 

i've just had an odd thing happen for the first time here, i got to work, set up my laptop as usual, and when i hit the power button, the screen stayed black, the fans went full speed and i had 4-5 blinking leds at the front. force shutting down and trying again solved it, but i can't help but be worried, anyone knows what that is? the 960 evo is on the way as well.

 

Something bigger and the EC went into panic mode, was it ok after a reboot?

 

yeah i've been using it fine for the past 10 hours now.

 

Unless it happens again I would not worry.

 

I am sorry to jump here and ask like this.
Last time I updated my BIOS was in 2015 when i got the laptop. I was wondering is there anything new from Prema Mod for our laptop??

Going through posts I noticed that there is a better heatsink for CPU
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New...224.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.77bb4c4db7GF5l
I was wondering it there is a better heatsink for GPU also that i can buy?

 

Have you asked your reseller?

 

no, I moved back to EU after i finished grad school in US. I am not sure what reseller to ask in EU so i just thought of getting something from ebay or aliexpress

 

Why would your US reseller not be able to email you file?

 

Oo I thought you were asking about heatsinks. As for BIOS I would like to stay with prema but still I can email xotic and see what BIOS they can give. How can i reach prema and get a newer version of BIOS or can i ask someone that already has a newer BIOS to share it witrh me wiht Prema permission

 

For heatsinks see if a local reseller will help you out. It might guide who will be good for a future purchase.

 

my modded bios with nvme support (that i'm currently using)
(this is based off my p65xsa(i7 4720 with gtx965m), not sure if it is fully compatible with your motherboard. at your own risk, i'm not to blame if it breaks)



also added a apfs/hfs/btrfs file system support, replaced original file_system with enhancdedfats
unlocked menus

download link: https://mega.nz/#!DZ5Q2ATT!3Z5N7jK8oig8RMgpF58fJ4eS7kcIvzrDyD5t3q9HJXo

I tried to get ozmosis baked in however failed, whenever shift or ctrl are pressed the system freezes.
anyone knows what i'm talking about and interested feel free pm me

 

Does it have the right vbios option from in it?

 

I'm not sure I understand your right vbios option correctly, but yes I did export settings from old and import it to the new

 

The different gpu chips require a different vbios in the bios.

 

Thanks for your effort. I have a P650SG and I am not really sure if your Bios will work for my 980m :/

 

I would not risk it as it's a nice brick if it goes wrong.

 

hmm. you think the cpu cooler in this thing will be giving enough pressure for liquid metal to not oxidize?
i was reviewing what i'd need for it, got my kapton tape to protect the surroundings of the die, my thermal grizzly conductonaut, but now that i reopened it, i vaguely remembered about contact pressure being a rather important factor in this. also while only from house to car and car to work, this thing would also be subjected to Canadian winters, often going below 30 Celsius. should i just forget about this idea?

 

The heatsinks in my P650SG made good contact. Using LM, I observed a 2C max temp delta between cores when running Prime95 Small FFTs (AVX disabled):



I used CLU for 1.5 years, and Conductonaut for 1 year after that. LM does react with bare copper, which was apparent when I removed the heatsinks to switch LM brands, but the staining is cosmetic and doesn't affect temps at all. There was zero difference in thermals between CLU and Conductonaut for me, and neither degraded over time as well.

I would keep the laptop in a well insulated case if you're outside in below freezing temps.

 

i already figured my old backpack wouldn't be able to help out against the outside weather but... the machine shouldn't be out in the cold for more than a minute at a time. i don't intend to do the gpu as this one never really passed 70 celcius ever. how are the fans with those temps? i hear people saying the temps aren't that much lower but in exchange the fans often only ramp up half as high as usual or something, but that's other laptop models...

 

If it's only a minute, I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe let the laptop sit and warm up at room temperature for a few minutes before turning on.

TBH I don't remember if repasting with LM made much difference with the fan noise, this was more than 3 years ago. And the automatic fan curve left a bit to be desired on this unit even with the Prema mod, as it would never spin up to max speed regardless of temps. But temps were definitely lower after LM. If you want to adjust fan speeds, I'd suggest Obsidian Fan Control over the buggy Clevo Control Center, although I'm not sure if Obisidian works on this older model.

 

Non operating lower temperatures are usually not too bad, leaving it in a snowy car overnight is likely a bad plan though.

 

I’ve repasted carefully twice with Kryonaut but any processor intensive task, like handbrake, sends temps to the upper 90’s quickly. It doesn’t seem like there is much pressure between CPU and the heatsink. Should there be?

Could it be that I need a new heatsink for the CPU?

 

Notebook coolers have much less than desktops. What speeds do you get at thise temps?

 

I had something similar when I was pushing my 970M to insane OC values. It was the power adaptor not being able to deliver the necessary power.
If it happens again, I'll bet the power adaptor is starting to fail.

BIOS with full NVMe would be super. If you can find someone that can mod your original BIOS you might get some luck.
I did that CPU cooler upgrade. It's a bit better than the original, but not by much. Just for reference, that's a P65xRE GPU cooler modded so it can fit inside the P65xSE. I don't think there is a GPU cooler upgrade.

This weekend I said goodbye to my faithful P651SE. I think it was the best laptop of it's kind during it's reign. That 2 fan design for the GPU was incredible
The replacement, a P751TM1-G, has more performance, but it's also almost twice as heavier.
I still don't know why Clevo abandoned the P6 series design.

 

Edit: removed because it is not compatible

 

Same here, upgraded from P650SG to P750TM1-G about 5 months ago.

And yeah, I have no idea why Clevo killed P6 and replaced it with the inferior P9 and PA7 lines. Apparently the P6 was one of their bestsellers, too.

 

The 17 inch is more fully featured to be fair. Plus the new balance of materials and weight is doing well.

 

More fully featured, yet removed 2 RAM slots and a 2.5" bay. OK...

 

Yes it is, those are mostly legacy slots from when ram modules were limited in capacity and m.2 drives were more expensive. The percentage of people using them was tiny. Where as something like thunderbolt is more likely to be used.

 

It's for the P65x SA (965M version) not the SE. So don't flash it if you have a 970 or 980

 

That's a poor excuse. TB3 is useless, whereas more RAM and storage always comes in handy.

 

More RAM slots is always nice. But an internal 2.5" disk? That's a thing of the past

 

It really shouldn’t be. Not quite yet.

 

TB3 lets you set up a 2 cable docking solution and connect high speed external storage.

 

I think people would agree that being able to connect external storage is not a substitute for internal drive bays.

 

AKA the Apple philosophy.

 

Making docking as easy and painless as possible is not an apple thing, it's a common sense thing.

You still get 2x M.2 and a 2.5" bay, that should be enough, if it's not then it's unlikely another 2-4TB is going to be enough and you are going to be using a NAS setup, with TB you can have a 10Gb connection to that. If you are serious about storage which you would be at this point that is a big plus.

 

Oh, good catch. I apologize, I'll remove so as to not confuse others.

 

You can leave it, only point out that it's for the 965M model and that only works with that model.

If don't start to kill old standards, you will live with them forever. And having a 2.5" drive bay seems enough.

But it is. With the current pricing on SSD storage long gone are the days were you needed extra disks because the only sensible SSD option was a 120Gb drive.

They might be a bit crazy with their products (and charge a kidney for them too) but in the "connection department" you have to give them credit for advancing the market.

Also, my rant against the P95x series was due to a inferior cooling solution, not the expansion ports per se.

 

Take the good ideas apple have and discard the bad ones. Most seem to copy the annoying bad parts like the notch in phones.

 

No idea if you're still around, but I've been trying to get my p650SE to boot off a Samsung 970 Evo (M.2 NVMe) with no success. I can use it as a secondary drive with no problems, probably at SATA speeds, and I can access it in the Win 10 installer, but it just won't boot off it.

I was hoping the PremaMod BIOS for this machine would enable it, but I can't find it anywhere - not even from the @Prema Partner I bought the laptop from. The machine is currently running the latest Clevo 1.05.01 BIOS. If anyone can help be obtain this BIOS, I'd be eternally grateful.

Edit: I see that I'm probably just SOL with booting from the 970 EVO, but I'd still be interested in obtaining the PremaMod BIOS all the same.

 

It should run faster than SATA speeds as a secondary drive.

 

Maybe. I haven't tested it. I was really hoping to use it as the boot drive.

 

If it is in the correct slot, it runs at the specs speeds. To boot from it, the bios needs the nvme driver to reconize the drive at boot time.
It seems the 950 Pro can been seen, because it has some kind of compatibility mode at boot.

 

i'm still around. i haven't received my 960 evo yet for some reason, i still plan to test whether it will work or not and i shall post results even if it doesn't work. maybe it is the bios, but back when i asked on prema's old website, what convinced me to buy a 950 pro was that a user commented and told me it worked even on stock firmware. and as skandal said, is it in the right slot? it should be in the vertical slot, not the horizontal one.

 

I appreciate the sanity check, but it'd be kinda hard to put it in the wrong slot, due to the 970 Pro being M keyed and the SATA slot being B keyed...

That being said, if I can still get NVMe speeds, just not for booting Windows, then maybe it's worth keeping after all.

 

You should get the speeds the chipset is capable of.