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Hello guys new member here! Anyways, I'm going to buy a Clevo P670RS with the GTX 1070 around Mid-November and I'm going with HIDevolution since it has the Prema Bios. But my problem is I have no experience on any OC and such, or pretty much any technical thing you can do with the bios (OC, Under/Over Volting, Flashing the Bios to update it, etc). Just wondering if this laptop is good for a newbie like me.

Also, is display calibration worth it? I'm pretty much want the colors to be realistic and such since I'm used to my Note 4's screen.

In addition, should I wait the the 960 EVO series to come out, or stick wit the 850 EVO? and which Wireless Card should I pick? 8260 or 1535?

Lastly, is the "Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra 100% Metal Thermal Interface on CPU, IC Diamond on GPU" option worth it?

Thanks!

 

Calibration is only really important if the screen is shifted a certain way a lot and it's tinted (our screens are not) or if you need to do colour work on the system.

I would say take your time, with these systems the overclocking rabbit hole can go very deep but you can learn in stages about each bit.

Wireless card choice is mostly much of a muchness.

IC diamond is worth it.

 

First of all, welcome. The P670RS is a great machine for the money, and HIDevolution is an excellent reseller. Couple things to be aware of right out of the gate - the Prema BIOS is not available right now and probably will not be so for several months yet. Also, make sure you upgrade to the Core i7 6820HK CPU, as not only is it slightly faster out of the box, it's also unlocked, which will make overclocking easier. Undervolting isn't as necessary with these systems since the CPU is only 45W as compared to the 95W of the 6700K desktop CPU available in the larger Clevo notebooks.

The stock 1080p display looks pretty good out of the box. Unless you're doing professional-quality work on the road, save your money on this option.

For the SSD, you're talking about a PCI-Express/NVMe drive (960 EVO) versus a standard SATA one (850 EVO). I've used both types as a C: drive, and while the NVMe one offers faster boot times, I didn't notice enough of a difference in everyday usage to justify the higher price. I managed to score a phenomenal deal on a pair of 1 TB M.2 SATA drives and have been very happy with them so far.

I have this one mine but haven't had a chance to really measure temperatures with it. But I can tell you that while the fans are a touch on the loud side (though no moreso than my P770ZM), the keyboard barely gets warm.

 

The TDP has nothing to do with how much power the CPUs use in this case unless the BIOS/EC specifically limits them to that number. Clock for clock with all other factors held equal, both will consume about the same amount of power. At stock settings, a 6820HK will run cooler than the 6700K, but running at stock means that you probably have a ton of headroom for undervolting anyways. A stable undervolt is a great idea on both setups since you can drastically reduce temps with no impact on performance.

 

Thanks for the replies. I don't think I can upgrade to a 6820HK since my max budget is 2000. Might get the AUO 120Hz panel though when it becomes available.Also, might get a 1tb SATA SSD instead since NVMe drives are quite expensive as of right now.

 

If you have a budget, Hidevolution is probably not your option (their stock warranty is also 1 year which is poor IMO.).. Also Prema BIOS is not necessary for this machine... I would get it from a Sager reseller and make sure to get it repasted by them or do it yourself... This machine does very well without Prema BIOS, just need temps to be kept under check using good thermal paste... Prema BIOS is more useful if you are getting P775DM and definitely necessary with P870DM series..

 

HIDevolution's warranty is the best among any company I've ever dealt with. They even offer a global warranty upgrade for international customers which covers shipping costs both ways for the system should anything go wrong.

Their customer service is superb and @Mr. Fox and @bloodhawk and @EmberV can even vouch for that.

They offer the Prema BIOS and VBIOS free of cost once they are available for your machine unlike other re-sellers who either don't offer it or would charge extra for it.

Additionally, HIDevolution is the ONLY company that has the guts to offer factory delidded CPUs and Silicon Lottery CPUs for systems that take a socketed CPU and have it covered under warranty! it takes courage to do this as now they have to pay from their own pocket if your CPU goes bad since it's delidded but they do so because they cater to enthusiasts like us.

Please read this thread, it should help you remove anything TomJGX from your mind:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with


Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

I just bought the same laptop and love it. Here are my thoughts:

1. HIDevolution has been great to work with. Glad I went with them even at the cost of about $50 extra.

2. I decided not to do display calibration, but I don't do any color-sensitive work. Display looks great btw, no issues at all on my end. I know some people with the P650s have had problems.

3. I chose the 850 EVO SSD and no regrets. Boot times are super fast, everything flies. I know the PCIe drives are supposed to be better in benchmarks, but in real-world tests they don't perform much better, if at all. I chose to save money here, but that's really up to you.

4. I went with the CLU option, but part of the reason is that I do a lot of computational work on it, and so I run my CPU through a lot more paces than a typical user. And high heat is obviously bad and leads to the CPU failing earlier. So very much worth it to me. For a regular user? I guess I'd lean towards yes, but people have had good temperatures even with just IC Diamond, so liquid metal may be overkill here.

I'm excited for you, you are going to love this machine.

 

You will get the Prema BIOS and VBIOS soon for free from HIDEVOLUTION nice it's released. congrats bro

 

So @ Ritona_Reighnvhasta, I suggest you have a look at the P650 thread and buy accordingly.. @Phoenix assertions about these BGA laptops is a bit out of line with what many agree...

 

Thanks all! I'm still canvassing anyway so any tips and suggestions are always welcome to me. I'll research more and take all your suggestions. I'll look at the P650 thread since it involves the 1070 and I'm very interested. By the way, is lpc-digital.com a good site for clevos?

 

I have done a bunch of full loads and the highest I have seen is maybe 78-79C, the P670 has excellent cooling despite the lack of bottom vents, there is a big long vent slot on the back of the laptop where most of the air blows out anyway.

 

Many good reports about LPC digital. They are a sager reseller.

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LPC Digital are a Sager reseller... One of the very reputable ones... I haven't heard anything bad from anyone about them here tbh... @Larry@LPC-Digital should be able to help you if you have any questions...

XoticPC are another Sager reseller however it's hit and miss sometimes with them...

GentechPC are also a Sager reseller although less well known.. I bought my Asus G73JH from them and it was a great experience, @GenTechPC

 

I wouldn't hesitate to order from LPC or GenTech.

I've had a great experience with HID as well. One other reason to consider them is the fact that they offer Coollaboratory Liquid Metal thermal compound for the CPU in these models, whereas LPC, GenTech, and other Sager resellers do not. I opted for this on my P670RS, and the only time the processor will hit 80 degrees is at stock voltage during an AIDA64 stability test where all aspects of the system are under load - CPU, GPU, and RAM. A -100 mV undervolt addresses that "issue." The system idles in the mid-30s, which is phenomenal for a laptop packing such powerful hardware.

 

I personally am not a fan of liquid metal.. For most people including me its really risky to apply if we ever need to repaste.... IC Diamond is pretty good and a small UV is needed whichever way so I would go for a Sager reseller... They also come with 2 years warranty by default..

 

I have the 3-year warranty on my system so if something goes wrong during that time and a re-pasting job is necessary, it won't be me who has to do it.

 

Cleaning is pretty easy to do even with the heatsinks on so normal usage should not require removal

 

Which you paid what 200-300 extra? It would be 100 extra for 3 year with Sager..

 

Is there a good resource to compare throttlestop settings with the P670RP6? I undervolted CPU core/cache under all profiles, setup to run task scheduler on login, but wanted to see if I should change any other settings.

 

Just went to Gentech and they offered the lowest price so far. They also offer Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra on CPU/GPU. This seems pretty good for me. Just a question, do I need to repaste the Liquid Metal paste in the laptop after some time?

 

CLU more or less lasts the lifetime of the device if not exposed to air.

 

As @Q937 said. This depend on your heatsink. If your heatsink is uneven / warped, will Liquid be similarly as other thermal paste. Aka shorter lifespan.

 

Is it recommended for people like me who doesn't have experience in re-pasting? Or should I just stick to IC Diamond. Also what is a BGA Laptop? I kept seeing that term around this forums.

 

Liquid Ultra FTW. Ask for help if you need re-paste. Same with ICD. Nice you asked... BGA Laptop = processor/Gpu soldered on the motherboard If one of them breaks... New motherboard.

 

Oh, that makes sense lol. But thanks, I might go for Gentech since they're the cheapest one and they offer liquid metal on CPU/GPU.

 

Yes... Do not spend much money on a BGA maskin. You don't know how long it last. Spend money on good extended warranty It may be difficult to obtain a new motherboard or costly after the warranty has expired, if you are unlucky... Aka cpu or gpu blows. You can't change only the cpu/gpu.

 

Yup thanks for that caution. 2 years should be enough for me since I don't really do extreme stuff and I'm very cautious of my belongings By the way, I saw the P775DM3-G, Is this a good non BGA laptop?

 

Yes, Nice socket hardware machines from Clevo. P775DM3-G and P870DM2/3 My only choice + a MSI barbone as well. You will find it. @Diversion Can tell more about the socket monster from MSI.

 

I'm considering the P775DM3-G now even though it overshoots my budget .-. Anyways, Can the P775DM3-G's powerbrick support the 6700K and the 1070 together? Or do it need the bulky 2xPowerbrick setup?

 

Single 330w work well

 

Oh, I though it comes with the 240w. One last question, is the AUO 120Hz panel compatible with all the 17" Clevo offers? like it is just plug and play or something?

 

Not sure. But ask @Donald@HIDevolution
Or see the link http://www.hidevolution.com/new-laptops/gaming-laptops/evoc-clevo/17-inch-gaming-laptops

 

Oh dang, One time I asked them if they can sell the P670 with the 1080p 120Hz and they said they can't. I guess I have to find it out myself.

 

They work but you will have to just be careful reassembling the frame and maybe re do the tape too.

The P670 GSync IPS panels do 100 to 120 though...mine did 120 w.o frame skipping but then again its also not stock hz so up to you.

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If you actually bothered to look it up, you would know that Sager charges $179 and HID is $200. But why let facts get in the way of your narrative, right?


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I had a P775DM3-G with the 6700K and GTX 1080. It thermal throttled and was loud as heck. The P670RS is a downgrade from that, but I've been much happier with it.

 

No I actually didn't look it up.. It was about a 100 more when I last checked... Whichever way still $21 cheaper lol...

Yup, the 670 is good enough tbh.. 6700K +1080 is just too much for a unified heatsink to handle..

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Here is a place to share what needs to be fixed. Please use it.

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Would probably buy my laptop at Gentech now. Probably in two weeks. Is this setup good?
- None, Remove Sager Logo on the back + $.01 [Add $0.01]
-17.3" 1920x1080 LG IPS LED Matte-Type @60Hz (Anti-Glare) G-Sync
- Promotion: Free 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty +$.01 [Add $0.01]
- nVidia GeForce Pascal GTX1070 8GB GDDR5 DX12
- 6th Gen Intel Skylake Core i7-6700HQ, 2.6~3.5GHz, 14nm, 6MB 45W
- Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra on CPU/GPU + $50 [Add $50.00]
- 16GB DDR4 2400MHz/PC4 19200 Dual-Channel (8G X 2)
- 256GB Samsung 950 Pro NVMe Gen-3 4X Lanes, Max Sequential Read Up to 2,500 MB/s + $120 [Add $120.00] (Would probably do the 960 Evo version when it gets released)
- 1TB 7200rpm 2.5-inch 9.5mm 32MB SATA III 6Gb/s
- Intel Wireless-AC 8260 802.11 2.4Ghz/5.0Ghz Dual-Band 300/867 Mbps + Bluetooth 4.1 / WiDi
- Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64 bit Factory Pre-installed, no installation media +$80 [Add $80.00]
- Life-time GenTech PC Labor Warranty / 2 Year Parts Warranty, Lifetime Toll-Free Technical Support
-Total = $1929 or $1871 with WireTransfer or Cash which probably the one I'm gonna use.

The things that led me to gentech is pretty much the cost, Liquid metal on both CPU/GPU, and the Warranty. Still considering HIDEvolution though because of the 6820HK and Prema bios. But only 1 year warranty, no Liquid metal on GPU, and higher overall cost.

 

6700Hq is one of the worst low entry i7 in history. Skip it. And ask for price match, but with 6820Hk.

 

Tfw papusan makes buyers remorse of 1060 over 1070 worse.

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I go both ways. 1070 users with issues and rma = glad I bought a 1060. 1070 users with amazing benchmarks = wish I bought a 1070. Either way I wish I had the option to upgrade to a 1070 one day.

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I think your setup is good enough.. I personally don't think its worth paying 50 to get it repasted with Liquid ultra though.. Still cheaper than what Hide ask for that I think its 100..

Anyways, can your budget handle a 6820HK? I think your fine with a 6700HQ but if its a 100 more I would go for that...

Again like I said before Prema BIOS isn't worth it on this, keeping temps under control and some tweaking mean you have one mean system..

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Is it possible to get an eGPU working with this laptop assuming we get one of the GPU docks that are available from ASUS etc? Or does it not actually have TB3? It sounds like it wasn't entirely clear here whether it did or not: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-broken-in-your-skylake-laptops.797648/page-4

 

120??? Wow, I hit the wall at 100 :-S

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For some reason, Gentech doesn't offer the 6820HK on this model I'm buying :/
www.gentechpc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Build-Sager-NP8173-S

I can buy the same stuff with lpc-digital but it has the 6820HK for a total of $2,016.63. Is this a better deal?

 

I would ask them why 6820Hk isn't offered. Maybe they buy the machine in big bulk and dump the price out?

Although people want the slightly weaker Gtx 1060 - 1070 vs. the more powerful 1080, does not mean that they must do the same for processors. Fully locked @3.1 GHz on all 4 cores aren't future geared, If you use the machine for other things than gaming. Kaby lake is on the way and you will regret even more with a purchase of this almost fully crippled i7. BGA is one thing. But heck... It's fully locked!! This isn't Elitist talk... Only pure sense!!! Or wait for Kaby lake.

 

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