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^^^ what he said the option should be down to the Clevo customer and not region specific i.e. we preferred the black grill and so that's the model that we ordered. Maybe other regions had their option limited, not sure.

 

That is what I was thinking... regional models. However, I didn't realize there were slight differences in the casing.
Thx.

 

That is a very good feature.

But it doesn't reduce micro-charging and cycles; those will still happen just as frequently, only on a different charge level. And that is irrelevant anyway; the enemy of battery life is full-charge. That's how most other brands use battery-conservation technology; charge to ~70% by default and, if you plan on a longer away mission, charge to 100% only when you need it. Implementation of this was long overdue with Clevos, even with a DTR the battery is useful now and then.

See Battery University for an in-depth explanation: BU-409: Charging Lithium-ion.

 

Did there is a reseller in europe that allow to buy P751ZM/DM without cpu, ram, hdd, ssd ?

 

You can look ---> here

 

thanks, just had to wait the 751dm

 

So, now that it's on Clevo's site, are you allowed to say what you are calling it yet?

 

Ok, so we know that the Samsung SM951 NVME exists and it appears is only available to be purchased by OEM's, so my question is, if I order a new DM today from one of the few places it's available, how do I get my hands on the NVMe version of this M.2 drive? I've looked at the stats between the AHCI vs NVMe version and it's definitely worth it to get the NVMe version. Anyone know how to get our hands on one of these?

 

the whole samsung pcie m.2 series is actually OEM only. but the nvme versions are even rare with OEMs, its basically almost impossible to get one, especially at 512gb capacity. best bet would probably be to specifically ask the vendors ure interested in buying from...

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The BIOS will allow the user to set a "start charge" (40-95%) and "stop charge" (60-100%).

 

40-60% for me!

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Will it allow you to set 'stop = 60' and 'start = 70' ?

 

We're in the same boat. I'm waiting to purchase once I know the SM951-NVMe is out, and some more details on installing an OS onto the drive.

If what I see is correct, it looks like this will be available sometime later this month or early Oct. In regards to *where*, I'm hopeful the resellers will add these to the build options once the drives are out. Otherwise, you may need to go through a different route. In this case, PM me, and I can let you know.

 

Ok awesome, thank you. I'll start asking around. RJ Tech has the DM listed so I'll start there.

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Anyone ever use Apacer memory? This is the first 'official' news I've seen regarding 16GB DDR4 SODIMMs -

+ http://news.softpedia.com/news/apacer-announces-the-world-s-first-16gb-ddr4-sodimm-memory-module-491109.shtml

+ http://benchmarkreviews.com/30872/apacer-nox-ddr4-so-dimm-memory-module-announced/

I just wish they posted the module's timings.

Any chance other memory makers have these in the pipeline with a press release just around the corner?

For any vendors that may be monitoring this thread, do you have any distribution relationships with them?

 

Ha ha ha, as it's Clevo I wouldn't be surprised if that would cause it to stay at 60%. (In other words "70% start" would be interpreted by the EC as 70% and below while "60% stop" as 60% and above).

 

Ok I feel like a total dork, I literally just found 2 of these 256GB (the size I want) on eBay for $250 to $300! I guess the big question now is if I go ahead and buy it, will it be good to go as an OS drive in the new DM Batman? Man, this sucks, I was so close to pulling the trigger again on the DM (I'm hurtin pretty bad for a new computer) and now I see that it could be "possible" to get an NVMe drive (and price isn't even bad) I saw a few articles about people testing the NVMe and obviously they could get it recognized (Z97 boards) and so Skylake obviously is newer so I don't think that will be an issue, but I want to use the drive as my Primary OS drive, that's my biggest concern at this point.

 

i wouldnt be concerned, if it works in the ZM series itll work in the DM machines as well and even if not at stock, theres always prema to the rescue

 

Did the ZM BIOS list the M.2 2280 drive as a bootable drive? Prema, do you happen to know?

If so, then (assuming the DM uses a similar BIOS), then there is a method where you can install Windows into the SM951 - https://www.ramcity.com.au/blog/how-to-install-windows-8.1-on-the-samsung-xp941-ss/138296#full-video . Assumption is this would go for Windows 10 as well.

 

the stock zm vbios had no problems with making m.2 drives bootable (both sata and pcie models, but only ahci), the only issue was with nvme drives, specifically. but prema came along and added that ability to his bios mod

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I had no idea he'd already made an adjustment to the ZM BIOS for this exact issue. Sweet! Thank you, Prema!!

 

I guess I was also assuming that there's a difference between it being AHCI and NVMe and compatibility and the drives in that video I believe are AHCI. So, I asked the eBay seller about the SM951 NVMe drive and it being able to be used as an OS drive, heres the response:

"Operating systems can be installed and recognized on this drive. You might have to tinker with (updating) BIOS settings to get it working correctly. If you want something plug and play, I would avoid any m.2 whether it be AHCI or NVMe drives. I've installed windows 7, 8.1 and 10 on these with little to no hiccups once settings are in place. There are a lot of people trying to get into using m.2 drives and what not so theres forums and threads that have guides and how to's to set up. Some people use m.2 to pci-e adapters if they don't have a m.2 slot just because they want the speeds of the drive.

If you google "asus z170 sm951" the first link is to a thread where a guy helps set up on the new skylake board. I've sold several of these and haven't had them returned. I also talked to some of the buyers and they knew how to mod their bios to make their board read it.

It really depends on how deep you want to get into this stuff, but once you figure it out, its worth it.

Hope this clears some things up."

Also, here's the link he was referring to in his reply to me. Obviously it's for a z170 motherboard but the instructions may still be somewhat applicable. http://forums.tweaktown.com/asus/61454-booting-sm-951-asus-z170-mb.html

 

Cool. Thanks. The link you posted seems like this is close to the same instructions the link I posted is trying to do... Copying Windows install onto a bootable USB drive, unplugging all other SATA drives, boot from USB, and install Windows from there.

 

Myth logic has them for sale niceeeeee

https://www.mythlogic.com/2015_Models/deimos1615s.php

 

That's sweet, they even have faster clocked RAM available (some of the faster stuff if backordered). So stoked right now!

 

Really hoping the mobile skylake processors will be cheaper.. looking at like $2000 for what I can get now for $1500 (with last gen parts of course)

 

Yes, the mobile processors are generally cheaper than the models with desktop processors. The various models with desktop processors have been, and look like they will continue to be higher price, but also because they are designed to be the higher end systems. Also, if you are comparing what is out now, and if you don't need the extra features skylake will offer or if you will be maxing out the CPU, then maybe you could be fine with previous gen and save some money.

 

So with the people saying that the DM will support ddr3 ram, will it support normal laptop ddr3 ram? I bought a couple of gigs a year ago and I'm wondering if I can use them instead of paying more for ddr4?

 

nope, the DM series will only support ddr4.

also, the mythlogic config page has me a bit worried, in that u can only configure sata and pcie 2x drives in the second m.2 slot, and not 2 drives with 4x lanes each...

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I noticed that too. Hopefully, just some ZM page carryover and an oversight.

Edit: @ Clevo

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=808&lang=en

Edit 2 Did you notice this?

 

yup, i did notice although i could never really be bothered to go for a killer wifi module. the integrated wired LAN killer option is quite interesting though

 

I went Intel wifi too. But I'm wired at home anyway.

 

Is there a big difference between a Intel AC 7265 and a Killer 1525 AC?

 

very touchy subject

there are people who absolutely hate the 7265 and say that it sucks when it comes to throughput, range and signal strength. but there are as many people claiming the same for the 1525, including messed up drivers and other issues. in the end it basically just comes down to taste and personal experience

ive used both the 7260 and currently the 7265 and ive never had any issues with either...

 

Any word on the color accuracy of the screens these will have?

Clevo itself doesn't seem to provide much information --

per http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=806&lang=en


and Mythlogic offers a little more, but it's still just

per https://www.mythlogic.com/2015_Models/deimos1615s.php

which tells me that they're matte (yay!) but not a whole lot else -- not a specific part number I can go research, say.

 

I guess that is important. Thanks for the help!

 

So looks like the i7-6700 is about $200 CAD cheaper than the i7-6700k, and is rated at 65W vs 91W.

Is this accurate? Almost seems like that TDP is a typo.

 

I've had both. Can't say one is better than the other.

What I've heard is the Killer has slightly better wifi speeds, while having bluetooth issues. I honestly can't tell the difference, though the Intel drivers tend to be "better".

 

Yes. Noticed by me as well. I've sent of an email regarding this and some other questions. Hopefully their response will help clear the air.

 

Regarding that intel 7265 :


Streaming : perfect.
Games : very rare lag 50ms => 150ms for two seconds : happens only in network packets intensive games : League of legends and bf4 only, for a one hour game session : 3-5 sec of this kind of lags : keeps getting improved with drivers.
Download : Excellent.
network stability : perfect, could be a tiny bit better for games .
network range : Good, but only tested it at home and in my university....solid range i'd say, but it depends on the laptops antenna.


To sum up : I will buy t he intel 8260 when it's out, it's quite cheaper than its killer counterpart, the next wifi hardware will be awesome i think the difference between the 7260 and the 7265 for me was like night and day...the 7260 was a failure for me : lags lags and connection drops...really disliked it.

 

The DMs support DDR3 & DDR4, they just push the DDR4.
(Posted a DDR3 bench @2667Mhz HERE)
They also have both lanes @ PCIe gen3 x4

 

The distributor in my region recommends and sells more of the Intel 7265 option too it seems.

 

The chipset supports both, but I believe the DM is being sold with 260-pin slots only.

Unless I'm wrong - that's the information I got from a local vendor.

 

They where designed for UniDIMM (260PIN DDR3/DDR4), not sure though if it made it into production units...the DDR3 bench I posted above is from a P870DM dev unit...
They sometimes do not mention things in their data sheets when they are 'unofficial solutions' (e.g. the early USB 3.1 support on ZM, yet to be released GPUs, Thunderbolt 3 or now the non-JEDEC conform UniDIMMs)

 

Does anybody make 260 pin DDR3 modules?

 

The ones used in the bench are g-skills unidimm modules in DDR3 flavor...not sure if they are for sale, yet.

 

I guess it will depend on price. 204 pin DDR3 is much cheaper than 260 pin DDR4. That alone is making me hesitate to get the new Batman.

 

prices should drop quite rapidly though.

unidimm modules, huh! who wouldve thought that! but then, who would ever go for ddr3 260pin on the DM...?

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If it is cheaper and offers the same speed, why not?

 

Whoops sorry about that not dual PCIe x4 m.2 We fixed that.

Also 60 pages by the time we got the configurator up Nice!

Also the 4K is going to be a Samsung, we just don't have a full model number on it yet. But due to the G-Sync its Samsung (We have no idea if sharp will be down the line if ever)