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Is it your plan to OC the CPU and GPU? If it is, go for the 330W PSU. If you don't plan on OCing both the 230W should be fine.

Do you have a need to run Prime95 and Furmark all the time? NotebookCheck stress tested with those to get that temp. The 6700K will run hot. But not too hot. Too hot is thermal shutdown. You can do things to bring temps down. Undervoilting seems to be the best solution. Max fans (Fn+1) will drop temps. Regular maintenance, cleaning dust out, will keep temps down too.

 

We have made all benchmarks several time and result was the same. The only time CPU was throttling was during Furmark + Prime test. We will also test P771DM-G later today.

Ps. All tests were made on standard 230W AC Adapter.

 

Say what?
http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_parameter_25358.html

 

as the others already pointed at: no worries about everyday usage scenarios, ull be fine without any throttling in any gaming / office / even medium rendering scenarios at stock config. these temps were only reached in totally unrealistic scenarios (who uses prime95 and furmark?!)

as for the psu, 230W is fine even for mild overclocks on both cpu and gpu. if u want to max out your system though, go with the 330W psu by all means

 

Actually their CAD prices are in line with everybody else (their Clevo P650SE starts at around $1499 CAD, which is $1100 USD at current FX rates). It's their listed USD prices that are out of whack.

If people pay attention and notice the difference in FX rates (and price it out in CAD), Eurocom's prices are average.

That being said, Eurocom has to deal with Canadian (and Ontario) tax issues, which can be higher than those in the US. They also don't move as much volume as Sager (Eurocom isn't a reseller like XoticPC - they're an importer like Sager) and probably don't have as much of a volume discount.

But I've helped several people buy from Eurocom (well, given advice, not really helped) and they didn't pay any more than what buying from Xotic or others would've cost. Just call Eurocom and negotiate.

 

Eurocom has a center in the states though that deals with some of their US stock. I initially thought it was the canadian deal entirely (for their taxes) but then I realized that doesn't affect their american if they have a warehouse to work with in America. Sager also has the same prices as XoticPC/LPC-Digital/etc for the most part. They had higher in the past (which confused me) but now they're pretty much in-line.

I'll keep in mind the calling and negotiating; I have heard good things and lots of "free 330W PSUs just in case you wanted to OC" and such.

 

XMG

Does 200W vs 180W mean only TDP, that can actually be unlocked via vbios? And do you think there will be any of the board design differences between GTX 980 in P870DM and P775DM? Tnx

 

I will answer to myself with this quote from nvidia (regarding the desktop 980);

"Packed with the graphics horsepower to surpass virtual reality’s steep demands of 90 FPS, low-latency gameplay, these are the world’s first notebooks that meet the recommended spec for Oculus Rift. Featuring support for the full set of GameWorks VR technologies, they deliver fast, responsive and immersive VR that you can put in your backpack. - See more at: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/09/22/notebooks/#sthash.WjyV9mil.dpuf"

http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/09/22/notebooks/

 

I'm not sure if their US center is an actual business entity or just a distribution/mailing center.

That being said I've given them feedback regarding their US prices in the past, so they're aware. It's still just easier to call them, quote them what XoticPC is charging you in US, and see if they'll match it. On higher-end (expensive) systems it seems they usually will. On cheaper items with a smaller margin they might not.

 

most likely its the max power draw that can be delivered to the card via the installed power phases and also proportional to the size of the heatsink / machine it comes with so no, u cant "unlock" that via vbios, since its a hardware limitation heatwise ull just have to tinker / mod your way to higher TDP levels but once the gpu trips because of too little power fed to it, youre EOL.

i dont really understand your second question... you mean if the boards in those machines have different formats / dimensions? thats not known yet, could be the same dimensions just with different amount of power phases installed. whats for sure, is that both are non-MXM standard.

 

this. iirc a eurocom rep said something along those lines when that same question came up here on NBR

 

I sorta kinda hinted that maybe there would be further panels available in the future ;-) Just nothing concrete yet.

@jaybee83 's comment is about as much as I could say really - a different power draw card will be available in each different model. If you're asking if you can take a GTX 980 from a P870 and put it into the P775DM then that's a question for the modding community and people who mess around with vBIOS ;-) I can only say what the official support is.

 

I am not 100%, but IRC the P775DM GXX version uses one less power phase than the one for P870DM (which btw has an additional power cord run to the GXX board in order to "fuel it properly").

Who would ever do something like that...

 

thats insane! additional external power cord! now THATS desktop shiznizzle right there

 

While that is almost true, the reverse is not; 72% NTSC ≠ 100% sRGB.

Thing is that almost all panels are specified with NTSC gamut, not sRGB. Which means that you cannot opt for a 72% NTSC panel and expect nearly 100% sRGB. Made some pictures to clarify that misconception:

Spoiler: 1.) NTSC and sRGB colour space inside CIE 1931 (flattened to 2D)

Spoiler: 2.) Best case scenario for a 72% NTSC panel (= 96% sRGB)

Spoiler: 3.) Worst case scenario for a 72% NTSC panel (= 61% sRGB)

So, to be sure; not all values inside NTSC can be counted towards sRGB as well. In the last example a good portion of the green/blue colours are outside of sRGB, so these will be 'cut off' and represented by its nearest sRGB value. Hence a 95% NTSC is always preferable, and the 100% Adobe RGB would trump even that; complete overlap with sRGB, whereas NTSC at the blue end falls short here.

 

Its this connector:

Spoiler

 

Holy Sh**!!! Now thats.... ugly!

Joke's aside! Is this the new MXM C Desktop replacement form factor?

 

its nothing, really...since its not a standard id rather just call it a custom design form factor

 

I just love what the '980 for laptops' has done to gaming laptop credibility. Looking at all the comments on the videos, I'm noticing much less nonsensical outright laptop trolling. Usually, you'd get 'rah rah rah laptops can't even game, they're only good for solitaire blah blah blah'. But now desktop gamers can't so easily criticise the performance of laptops when the 980 performs identically between both and fully supports overclocking. After all, these laptops outperform many desktop gamer's systems, so finally it may help stem the hatred and stereotypical image of laptop gaming. Yay.

 

Prema

Now that's really confusing with this new GTX 980 for notebooks! One vendor has to make different board designs for it's lineup. Two different cards for two laptops, crazy world we live in! Especially, when you have to choose between "fully and not so fully unlocked" unlocked desktop GPU in a notebook...

I simply like the design of P775DM a little more than P870DM, hehe)

 

Sorry but, what does the P775DM look like?

 

You can see it here, at the bottom left:



Also you can see it in some of the videos, that got posted yesterday... It's not that much different on the outside, the inside is what's very interesting to see...

edit: Here's a good video of it, at around the 1 minute mark:

 

The P750DM is available from XoticPC now: https://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9758s-clevo-p750dm-p-8643.html?

Unfortunately, it appears the display listed is a typo (17.3" display on 15" laptop). Also no option for 64GB RAM.

What exactly is the difference between P751DM and P750DM?

751 has aluminium alloy lid and palm rest?

 

the chassis is the same as the P77xDM, just the internals have a different layout in order to accommodate the larger form factor 980

@moviemarketing: nah, the differences will just be restricted to the fan exhaust grills, thats pretty much it no metal chassis parts

 

Yeah, I definitely like the styling of the P775DM better. Not a huge fan of the separated, center-hinge screen.

Has anyone seen a 980 in any of the online builds yet?

 

Mythlogic lists an option for 64GB.

 

Yep, all sager resellers like ourselves are listing it by the looks of things.

 

Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like it has gotten corrected. I know they are trying to get a lot of models loaded in to the web right now, probably did a little copy pasta on that. but if anybody sees an error, PM me and I'll make sure to get it corrected. Thanks!

 

Mmmm spaghetti. No PM sent.

 

Any idea on whether future pascal mxm gpus will require the increased space of the p775dm? One of my reasons for going p770 was upgradeability.

I'm ok not having the desktop 980 and or future desktop versions but I might wait for 775dm if the 980m is the last gpu I'll ever be able to put in the 770dm.

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way to early to speculate on such things. at this point in time, probably not even the Nvidia/OEM/ODM engineers know what kinda format theyll have with pascal...

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There is very few 16GB DDR4 modules and it's price is very high.

It is way to early to say. Maybe in early 2016 we will have some information.

 

Fair enough. I'll take the gamble and just continue now. My order is about to change from pre order to build so looks like US stock has arrived and I've waited long enough at this point. Can always egpu in a year or two if needed.

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We have checked RAID 0 made on two Samsung SM951 256GB and it works perfect

 

I wonder how two 256GB Samsung 950 Pro M.2 in RAID0 will perform.

 

Even better We will find out soon

 

512gb raid please, 256 are waaay too "slow" for my taste

jokes aside, i want MOAH 4k QD1 POWAH, dammnit! even with nvme pcie drive were still idling around 50-100 MB/s, ugh....

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AHCI versions of the SM951, correct? I don't think the SM951 NVMe versions will be out until next month. If I were a gambling man, I would bet about the same time the 950 Pro M.2s are released.

 

The NVMe are available and have been for some time, the Anandtech review from June gives you an idea of how long samples have been in circulation for - they just haven't been available en masse yet! RAID NVMe shows 4,300MB/s sequential Read in this chassis.

 

Im far from being any kind of expert but considering that Pascal will have HBM2 and according to Nv "2X the performance per watt" than Maxwell i think we got a chance of having even better than gtx980 desktop like performance in a very small mxm pcb which should fit in newest clevo laptops. We got new Z170 chipset today and we wont have any new chipset next year, on top of that designing new laptop motherboards with same socket, same chipset etc, just to fit new version of mxm (which probably wont need more space and power than current one, is a really silly / money waste idea).

 

Any info about 120hz panel for the P77Xdm, P775dm or P870dm? *fingers crossed for hoping*

 

I see some resellers are offering the P75xDM-G with a 3K and a 4K displays. Seeing as the -G models are G-Sync capable, does that mean that both the 3K and 4K are also G-Sync ready, or is it only for the FHD display?

 

The 75xZM only had a 4K G-Sync. The FHD G-Sync was added to the 15" DM. I don't think the 3K is G-Sync, at this time.

 

Don't expect much.

If the LCD cover could house the 120Hz panels we'd be halfway there (you can frankenstein a P770ZM to do this) but the eDP connector may not be the same, and thus it may not even be able to plug in.

We'll have to have a sacrifice generous, adventurous soul to check when they are released... but so far nobody has tried it with the P770ZM models.

 

Clocking the panel instead seems like the best option just now.

 

Yes, hopefully the price will drop; however, one way or another, I'm going to load this baby up with 64GB. In my case this is the whole point of going with Skylake instead of the older ZM model, which is limited to 32GB.

I imagine even if I were to buy the DM with, for example 32GB RAM to start and then source additional RAM separately to upgrade after purchase, I would still order at least 2 x 16GB modules, since 4 x 8 GB modules would be a complete waste for anyone who will upgrade to 64GB.

 

moviemarketing, have you found anywhere that ships 16GB DDR4 SODIMM's with the new models? So far all the configurations I have seen, even the custom offerings are all 8GB.

It may take some time for the 16GB SODIMM's to be available in quantities large enough to show in stock builds.

 

I recall seeing a few, XoticPC has updated their 750DM page as well: https://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9758s-clevo-p750dm-p-8643.html?wconfigure=yes

 

Weren´t the P7xxzm IPS panels already overclocked to 75hz? Is it possible to run 100hz?

 

generally, it is possible, but it always depends on the panel series and again on the individual panel inside a series as well. its just like with other hardware like cpu or gpu, their overclocking ability depending on the arch, the node, and the specific hardware/chip in each case.

my previous machine came with a TN display that was ocable to 95 hz before artifacts started to appear. on my current setup with a panasonic ips 3K panel im only able to reach 65 hz though

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