*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

My mom grew up in Singapore. She has a brother and a sister living there still. I've been there three times. Love the country.

So I'm looking at picking up a DM, but I'm confused about the wifi options. What's better? Killer 1525, 1535, or Intel 8620? I'm running an N network right now, no plans to upgrade to AC any time soon. I also use a bluetooth keyboard and headset, so I need a card that does good with bluetooth. Does Killer's stuff actually work as advertised or is it all a bunch of marketing smoke and mirrors?

 

Until Killer products lose their stigma of having people buy them and various issues happening up for random issues, I'm always going to recommend the intel cards.

 

Notebookcheck just put up a review of several new Skylake processors, and used the 751DM and 771DM for the 6600 and 6700 respectively:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Skylake-for-Notebooks-Core-i7-6700HQ-and-i7-6820HK-Review.150864.0.html

Interesting snippet from the review:

Which tells me two things - 1, the new Batmans (Batmen?) May have better battery life than expected, and 2, REVIEWS ARE COMING SOON!!!! :-D

 

Looks like all those new processors are hitting, Mythlogic has quite the CPU array available as options.

Definitely curious how the 6700 does vs the 6700K with respect to performance and heat, given its lower TDP.

 

The performance difference is going to be about 5 to 10% difference on the stock speeds between the two. Still waiting to see one hands on myself to check temps on it.

 

TDP is pointless unless it's limiting your processor's speed when you hit the cap. An i7-6700K and an i7-6700 cut from the same part of the wafer will likely use the same voltage at the same clockspeeds if voltage is left to "default". What you should be considering is voltages vs clockspeeds.

 

Sounds like the earliest any of us end users will be getting a Batman 2.0 is sometime mid next week, does that sound about right? Mine is in the build queue @ Mythlogic. Exciting times!

Sent from my sweet Galaxy Note 5

 

I'll almost certainly get one, but am waiting for a few more reviews and first hand experiences to come out before doing so. But the wait isn't a big deal - I'm planning to use a Samsung 950 for the OS drive, so the laptop would just be a pretty paperweight until mid October anyway.

By the way - I bought one of these several months ago... What a game changer.. Literally triples the battery life for an 82wh laptop like this one.

 

Nice!! You made me look and mine has flipped to Build Queue also. Now I am wondering with expectation which will arrive first - Batman 2.0 or Daughter #3....... With shipping I'm expecting the Batman will come in second.

 

Lol congrats! I have 2 girls myself but at this point in time it's just the Batman I'm waiting on! Just think of all the awesome home videos you can edit on that beast or play movies to entertain the kids. It truly is a family device

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Will that actually work?! Had this idea but couldn't find one with a high enough capacity so I planed to buy a 2nd battery instead.

-Edit-
Doesn't seem like it has the 4-pin power plugs...

 

I wish I could convince my wife a new rig used as a "Family" Device! Ha, ha!

 

Mine comes Wednesday this week.

 

Works on my Alienware 17 and wife's Acer TMP6xx series. I'll report back in a couple weeks to confirm.

 

Eurocom lists the Batman 2.0 as being available on October 9th (SkyX4 and SkyX6).

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/productlib(1)ec

 

Common knowledge around here seems to suggest Intel has better BT support, while Killer has faster wifi transfer rates.

You tend to see a lot more "Killer issues" threads than Intel ones though.

 

Panther 5 - Phased Out - Sep, 30, 2015

Panther 5SE - Current

Interesting, looks like they're keeping the 5SE still but not the regular one. Only difference should be the CPU.

 

Well - I'm not sure my method is recommended. Have 3rd child - 3 bedroom house - have to convert Family room for eldest a bedroom - no space for desk/desktop anymore.
Frankly I love the laptop. I am however going to miss my LCD array.


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This is a working/bootable raid 0 of two pcie ssds on a clevo laptop ?

Would this be possible with a Clevo P751DM-G and a pair of Samsung 950 Pro 256GB NVME PCIe SSDs on RAID 0 ?

 

sure, i dont see why not the DM series have both nvme support as well as two pcie 3.0 ports with 4x lanes each, so theres no argument against a nvme raid config with os installed on it...

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Just wish they did not cost 5K+ new...or even more used lol.

 

Google Translation of the German P771DM review posted to Notebookcheck yesterday

https://translate.google.com/transl...1DM-Notebook.150803.0.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

Thanks for posting the article. It's great too because they confirm that it's equipped with Thunderbolt 3 via USB-C which so many people have been unsure about because some vendors didn't post it in the specs on their listing. I think my favorite part of the translation was at the end where they say "The best or nothing", essentially saying that with this laptop it's the English equivalent or "All or nothing" or "Go big or go home" lol. This thing is a freaking beast of a machine inside the relatively slim body of a laptop, a true powerhouse that compromises nothing. No, it's not going to get 9 hours of battery and you won't pick it up with 2 fingers and forget your holding it, but that's because it wasn't made that way. This machine follows in the footsteps of Batman1, to be strong, fast and portable. Great job Clevo!

 

Hi all, long time lurker first time poster. Hoping I could get some help here. I tried to search, but no definitive answers came up, and surprisingly, no sure answer when contacting a reseller either. Let me first put out that I'm a noob when it comes to all this, but hope to learn a lot here.

My question is, is the SM951 M.2 PCIe SSD listed at Sager for the P750DM model, NVMe or AHCI model?

Also, I plan on choosing the 'Full HD IPS Matte Display', with the intel network card, as it seems intel is on the safe side here. But as far as display, I had experience with a 4K screen which did look blurry running 1080p resolution, but I do know this 4K screen is Samsung, so I don't know if it would have the same issues. Any ideas? Also, does anyone seem to know the refresh rate of the 4K display? This is also a reason why I'm leaning on the IPS display, as it would most likely have higher refresh rate I think.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, but my biggest concern is the SM951, any input on this would be great, as I plan on hopefully putting in the order by today, but if it is AHCI model, then I will definitely be waiting until they do use NVMe model.

Thanks everyone.

 

Yup, confirms the same as the XMG U506 reviewed by notebookcheck last week. Just to clarify, we have alsays confirmed TB3 support and I and @Prema have speculated on this thread as to the possible reasons why some companies don't advertise the TB3 support yet, but it's always been confirmed Both beastly machines! English translation of their reviews usually take a wek or so to come up, but you get the just from the original version if not fluent in German!

They always seem to get high CPU temperatures in their Prime + Furmark test - think it's because they have the fans on auto rather than on maximum.

 

let them give you the serial number of the drives in order to properly identify the AHCI vs. the NVME versions (512 GB drive as an example here):

MZ VPV512HDGL - NVME
MZ HPV512HDGL - AHCI

im betting on AHCI though, since the NVME versions are still veeeery rare... also, why dont u just wait and grab urself a 950 pro once its out?

the blurriness due to scaling to 1080p is mostly due to individual perception, although slight differences in the panels are definitely possible. the samsung 4K panel is said to be inferior in specs and colors vs. the sharp 4K IGZO panel. both are officially said to be 60 Hz, although some user reports say that the samsung one only sports 45 Hz.

IPS does not give you higher refresh rates, but rather better viewing stability and, most of the time, better color reproduction. IPS panels are actually known to sports lower refresh rates, especially when compared to TN panels for their overclocking ability and response times. but current IPS panels are quite alright in both areas, just dont expect to be able oc them to 100+ Hz

 

Welcome! I don't see the part numbers listed on Sager's website - I recommend you call them to ask, but more than likely it's the AHCI variant. You can tell which is which by the part numbers - the NVME variant's number starts with "MZVPV" while the ACHI variant starts with "MZHPV" (Third letter V vs H).

If they're not selling the SM951 NVME variant, then you're probably best off waiting a couple weeks for the Samsung 950 Pro. I get the impression the SM951 NVME is primarily for OEM distribution, and so it may be awhile before sufficient numebrs exist that you can find them for retail/wholesale. Disclaimer, I'm just speculating on that based upon having looked to buy an NVME for about a month now - whereas the 950 pro will be a retail product hitting shelves mid Oct.

I'm hoping this adapter will work: http://www.bixnet.com/cntc12.html



Whomever receives their 750/770 DM first... could you please take and post measurements of the port? (or just post a well-aligned picture with a tape measure / ruler in the frame and I can measure it out in GIMP). Thank you!!


*EDIT* jaybee beat me to the punch

 

u could just ask current ZM owners, since their machines sport the same psu connector ill take measurements of mine and post them in a bit

edit: connector has a diameter of 10 mm (widest), lower pin holes are 4 mm apart center to center, whereas the upper holes are 3 mm apart center to center. anything else ud like to know?

 

Great point! Thank you !!

 

Could you measure the depth of the adapter, as well as the distance between the widest set of holes from "outside to outside" (vice center-to-center). Thank you!


EDIT: Having measured the diagram, the 'center-to-center' distance for the lower pins should be 3.5mm, and 5.8mm for the outer pins.... but who knows if it's actually drawn to scale.. The 'outside-to-outside' measurements for the drawing are: 7.9 mm and 5.8 mm.

I think I'll buy the tip anyway and give it a shot. Worst-case scenario, the connector tip on the power adapter that comes with the laptop could be cut off to form an adapter.

 

So long as the chipset supports it clevo/sager wont lock out features.

 

7 mm depth (metal part that actually goes into the mainboard connector), 6 mm distance lower holes, 5 mm upper holes (edge to edge)

 

Thanks jaybee. Not exactly what I measured on the diagram, but it was within the tolerance/precision error of the fairly low-resolution image. Just ordered the tip, 5$ plus 3$ shipping, so no big deal. If it works, great! If not....

Solder Time

 

keep the people here updated on your experience with that tip

and oh well, did the measuring by using a ruler, not exactly high precision

 

Good enough for government work (I should know... I'm in it!). Certainly will.

On another subject, has anyone come across information/benchmarks of two NVME SSDs in a RAID-0 configuration? Or have any information about the NVME protocol itself that would lend it towards or against the use of stripe array? Even though the Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB variant has better performance specs than the 256 GB variant, I wonder if for $50 more (and the use of an additional M.2 slot), two 950 Pro 256's striped together would produce a significant improvement. I'm sure someone will try it... [looks at the company reps... I know you're listening... ]

 

It should scale similarly in raid as SSDs have before from what I can see.

 

Thanks a lot jaybee and bfishman for very informative responses

Now I'm on the fence here between the IPS display, and the 4K display, suggestions? What did you end up opting for jaybee?

Well, looks like I have time to decide now, as I will be waiting for the 950 Pro. I was so close to getting this bad boy, it hurts so much having to wait lol. Although, I could get the laptop now with the free 1TB hdd, and just wait for the 950 pro release, but then again I have no experience on how to install/setup a m.2 PCIe ssd running on Raid-0. But I do know how to follow instructions well as far as software setup goes, but hardware, not much, unless it's as simple as installing ram?

Then again, to wait on my Clevo purchase is hoping that it will be added to the list of options on the day 950 pro is released. If its a high possibility it wont be a selective option upon release, I'd rather order now and install it myself or with help later down the road, instead possibly waiting around for longer than a month to get it customized into the build lol. Then again by that time Mythlogic should have the '32GB (4 x 8GB) , PC4-21300, 2666MHz DDR4 SODIMM ' in stock which is something I would be more interested in getting as it's faster than what Sager offers.

Curious, what's better, 32GB (4 x 8GB) PC4-21300 2666MHz DDR4 SODIMM, or 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM at 2133MHz 2 x 16GB?

As far as I know, 2 sticks are more efficient/faster than 4 sticks right? Maybe this is something I should just add myself as well too, decisions...

Thanks for the help guys!

 

If you will be using this laptop primarily for gaming, I'd go with the cheaper 4 x 8GB (or even 2 x 8GB / 4 x 4GB).

Only reason to buy the expensive 16GB sticks is if you will run applications that can benefit from 64GB RAM and plan to upgrade in the future.

 

i ended up with a panasonic 3K display, so neither of your listed options

both the ram options will be equal in speed. only difference ull see if when u decide to overclock your ram, then less sticks will give u more of an edge, being able to tighten the timings more aggressively. thats being said based on same brand sticks with identical memory chips, of course

 

Thanks for this posting I was surprised to see this kind of in depth review so soon.

Your right it is a beast, personally I'm not really concerned about battery since im usually docked however its enough that I can do typical usage using powersave and sleep mode so for me battery would last all day since I use my phone for movie and web surfing. I was a bit surprised to see how the 17 in screen battery life held up with a 4 hr idle which is not bad for a 17 inch dt-cpu notebook. Its actually better than what I have now (140min movie time).
I was worried over the tb3 and I see all the people here trying to tell me it was in were right. I think I can even see the tb logo on it.

Yeah you and prema and others did say it but I had to be sure and its one of those things where I have to see it to believe it I question everything. I think I can even see the tb logo near the port. I don't know why its not on clevo's page but perhaps what prema said was true and that it may have something to do with certification.They also mentioned the throttling but hopefully that wont be too bad of an issue since I do have a cooler.

 

FWIW, the drives mentioned in https://translate.google.com/transl...1DM-Notebook.150803.0.html&edit-text=&act=url

appear to be the NVMe versions -- MZVPV512HDGL m.2. That's for the P771DM.

 

pick up the thread here. I think at some point hyperbook switches to nvme drives -
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-the-new-batcave.776183/page-99#post-10097809

 

sure, but thats an xmg machine and also specifically for a NBC review at that, showing off what its capable of, if you get my drift

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Would an i5 6600 suffice for an 980m ? Thinking of upgrading from my current p650.

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Yes the i5 6600 is a fine CPU. It just doesn't have hyper-threading and is clocked lower. Smaller cache as well, but in gaming you'd hardly notice a difference.

 

If you don't intend to open and upgrade the machine later and it lets you get an SSD for instance then the i5 will do pretty well in gaming. It's a pretty major shift by intel.

 

drool..

 

She's arrived today...

 

She's beautiful

 

Nice!....Thanks for making my wait for the 870 so much more painful lol