*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

So Kabylake will just be a new processor right? No new motherboard? Also correct me if I'm wrong but Kabbylake only really improves upon the built graphics? It also appears that it natively supports HDCP 2.2 which is huge being able to connect your laptop to the new tv's.

No one was ever able to answer my question about the batman if the hdmi 2.0 port supported hdcp 2.2 which it seems like it doesn't.

Is there any other cool things that come along with kabylake that I'm missing?

 

Kabylake is just an update, similar to the 4790K for the 4770K. It may require a new chipset, but only of Intel is giving the shaft. Otherwise, it will work with the old chipset and a new one, think z/h87 and z/h97 chipsets...

 

i don't know if this is the wrong place or a dumb question even, but since we're mentioning future processors, does anyone know if perhaps Clevo would make a broadwell-e laptop when those come out? the next gen i7 extreme processors

 

nope doubt it,

 

Developing a for a socket in the mid point in its life for a niche device would be odd.

 

if u cant decide between the P870 Phoenix and the P750 Batman 2.0 then take a look at the P775DM wingman, ist basically right in the middle of the other two concerning specs but closer to the batman series when it comes to looks. thats also the machine that ajc9988 kept referring to as the Wingman its a cross between the p870 and the batman in that it sports the 980 with batman-ish looks

also....yeah, u dont buy any of these machines and concern yourself with battery life... it just is what it is, and thats it

 

I've decided to give inspiration here to all you aspiring tinkerers (and show off my work to peers)! @jaybee83 @Meaker, @johnksss Hope you enjoy! I stopped even though temps were good because I'd go over 1.4V (Haswell thing, Skylake can take it like a champ!) and didn't have full controls on the situation (no fan external to the batman, high humidity, etc). I also don't know what the PCH was doing on this beast (which I want to know when going on higher voltages to prevent damage). Overall temps looked great though (probably could have squeezed an extra 100-200mhz). Granted the dew point was 16F, but 73% humidity. So, went on a walk this morning. When I got back, I found batman had done a round of benchmarking in the garage. Here are some results (ambient 24F):

 

Is anyone even letting you spec out a P775DM? I haven't seen it anywhere yet.

 

would be interested too for a P775DM or a P771DM-G now , i guess P775DM is stock equipped with Gsync?

 

Not yet. Think the 775 is coming out in Dec. Vendors will then test components with it before offering them on the configuration templates.

I'm waiting for the 775/Wingman for the reasons jaybee83 mentioned.

The 775 will have G-sync.

 

What about when you stress the GPU at the same time?

 

does anyone know if, with the p750dm, I can hook up three 4k monitors at 60hz?

 

Yes and keep the internal display on.

 

Not if you're expecting 60fps on each... But I don't know otherwise...

 

grand total 4 4k monitors (2 display port, 1 hdmi 2.0, and then the laptop display) ?? at 60hz. or if not 60, then 30hz? just wondering, thanks.

fyi i'm not looking to do 4k gaming, just normal computer use (for work).

 

Basically look at the display output ability of a desktop 980 and you are set. But yes, it can run them all at 60hz, so great for productivity.

 

It starts getting unstable at room temp at the max oc on gpu with cpu at 4.8. I plan on overclocking the gpu next in the cold, then upping the CPU to instability. I don't have a watt meter and most reviews showed 200W from a processor OC to 4.8-4.9... With the video card (even with it being a 970m), the math suggests I'd be capped there on power supply...

 

oh id looove to see some wattmeter data there

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Hi everyone, I'm about to enter the batcave and I have a bunch of questions that I am sure someone here will be able to answer, here they go:

First, here is a link to the Clevo P751DM product page on Clevo's website:

http://www.clevo.com/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=807&lang=en

1) What is the difference between the P75 0DM and the P75 1DM ?

2) There are a number of items listed as "(Factory Option)". Is it up to each retailer to request these? For example, there are quite a few wireless card options but the retailer I spoke to says the laptops he gets from Clevo ship with the "Qualcomm® Atheros Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 Dual Band 2x2 AC +BT M.2 1630" card. I am not even sure what the difference between these options is, and I probably won't care much as long as I get network connectivity, but I am curious. Is this perhaps determined by the country where the equipment will be used?

3) Related to the previous question, the website lists two display options:

• 15.6" (39.62cm) QFHD (3840x2160) 16:9 panel, 3.2mm
• 15.6" (39.62cm) FHD (1920x1080) 16:9 panel, 3.2mm

The retailer I talked to said he only has stock of the FHD variant, but on this thread there's mention of 3K and 4K displays. For me a 2880x1620p (3K) display would be perfect. So, does Clevo actually ship laptops with a 3K display?

4) The memory section reads "Four 260 pins SODIMM sockets, support DDR4 2133 MHz". Does this mean I must use only DDR4 2133 MHz RAM or are these merely recommended values?

5) There are 4 M.2 slots available, can these be used for anything with an M.2 interface or must they be used as suggested in the specs (Wireless card, SSD, SSD, LTE)?

6) This will depend on the answer to the previous question, but what is the maximum drive/ssd supported? The specs page suggests 2 x SATA + 2 x M.2 drives, but there are still two M.2 slots available.

7) I am told Clevo ship their laptops with a graphics card already fitted. Are these cards made by Clevo themselves? Is it recommended to repaste them using some better thermal paste or should I not fix it if it ain't broke?

Thanks a lot guys

 

Ok, so I used a temperature conversion tool, which tells me 85F is 29C. Is that your ambient temp? If so, its about 5-8C hotter than what most people benchmark their systems at. So you could expect your results to be 5-8C hotter. Were you testing at "normal" room temperatures of around 22C, your temp would drop from 83C to around 75C or so.

So your temps do indeed look normal.

 

Hmm, found some DDR4 RAM for sale in Canada.

HyperX DDR4 2133 CL13
HyperX DDR4 2400 CL14

Thoughts? Price difference after tax is around $16 CAD.

 

You won't notice any difference, but hey, it is 1% more in a 2000€ system...

 

Wait for NOX DDR4 from Apacer. $300 for a 64GB 3000MHz kit...

Edit: with Prema's bios, you can max it out at 3200MHz, and you'll never have to upgrade it. It provides enough ram for the most intensive work situations, you could pick the two best DIMMS for overclocking and sell the others to recover cost (assuming these are 16GB so-dimms) if you don't foresee needing 64GB, and still come out better...

 

3000MHz for DDR4 SODIMM? These could be the first sticks with a little bit more performance than DDR3.

 

so the skylake processor can handle faster ram if you you've prema bios? and how does one get that? and when does this Nox ram come out if you know?

edit: found an article saying end of november it should come out. thanks for the tips!

 

Buy from a Prema partner! Go to premamod.com, then go to the partner shops tab to see who will have it. Prema has said starting with the recent bios builds, his partner shops will have a longer lead time than before now for when he released an unlocked bios to the public!

Edit: currently, Clevo machines are bios knee capped to 2133-2400mhz ddr4. His bios opens that to 3200mhz

 

Interesting, though I not only don't need 64GB, I also don't do anything intense, just some casual light gaming every now and then.

I can always wait and see, but for me its really about getting the cheapest DDR4 possible. Still pretty cool they're coming out with this though.

 

For $50 more, you get double the ram at 25% more speed at stock (although latency will be up 29-42%).
Edit: this is assuming you sell half of the kit. You could probably get a 32gb kit about the same time.

 

1) difference is visual in nature, i.e. different finish on the fan exhaust grills (glossy vs. matte)

2) it depends on what ure referring to. factory option generally means that its " not supposed" to be user-upgradeable. in terms of wifi cards its not true, as a user u actually can swap out the network card. as for things like the trusted platform module (TPM) feature, thats really not user-upgradeable, since its an integral part of the mobo (in theory ud still be able to swap that out by exchanging the mobo, though )
all in all "factory option" describes a component that is not as easily exchangeable as the user-upgradeable parts

3) always depends on the vendor and what kinda screens clevo ships their barebones with. they used to offer panasonic 3K displays a while back (like half a year ago, check my sig for example ), but they dont seem to do that anymore. so its basically down to FHD and QHD now. thats a bummer if u ask me, since i really like my panasonic 3K display and its pretty much the max resokution a single 980M can max out current games with at 60fps basically a good compromise between FHD and QHD.

4) ddr4-2133 is the officially certified and supported clockrate defined by intel for the mobos and the cpu integrated memory controller (IMC) in skylake. doesnt mean u cannot go out of spec by running higher clocks, just means that anything above 2133 mhz wont be guarranteed anymore

5) in order to change an m.2 port's function ull have to modify the bios. there are/were situations where an m.2 slot could be populated by either a wifi adapter or a storage device by choosing the function in a modded bios (prema's the word ), but no idea if that is also applicable to the DM series.

6) at the moment 5TB total with ssds and hdds alike. that would translate into 2x2tb 2.5" drives and 2x512gb m.2 drives. in 2016 that number should be bumped to 2x4tb + 2x1tb = 10tb once samsung offers 4tb 2.5" ssds and m.2 drives with 1tb capacity become available. beware: even if u do manage to equip the wifi and lte m.2 ports with storage drives, ull need to consider that those two ports only accept shorter cards (30 vs. 80mm iirc) so ull have to find such small ssds first!

7) clevo indeed produces their own gpus with chips they get from other manufacturers (e.g. nvidia for gpu core and samsung/hynix/etc for vram chips). i can definitely recommend teaching urself how to do proper repastes, itll come in handy somewhere down the line when ur machine needs a proper dusting and repasting (i do mine around every 6-12 months). but for starters, if your temps look fine, repasting is not a MUST right away

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A note on number 4- the motherboard and firmware ultimately determine the supportable speed of the ram. The P870DM initially supported ddr 2400, but later bios versions did not. This is where the firmware, not the hardware, becomes a knee-cap to hardware selection. Meanwhile, once tested, and firmware modified, the hardware itself can handle higher speeds.

 

Keep in mind, $300 USD is $400 CAD, and we often pay a bit more on top of the FX rate conversion. Still might not be a bad deal, I'll keep my eyes open.

http://www.eteknix.com/apacer-reveals-pricing-3000mhz-nox-ddr4-laptop-memory/

The 2400Mhz version is listed at $139. That seems stupidly cheap. Are we sure its a 64GB package? 64GB of 2400MHz DDR4 RAM for $139 just seems priced way below market. Heck, currently the cost of 64GB of 2133Mhz RAM is something alone the lines of $600. This would mean this NOX would provide better performance at half the cost?

 

The same article with the pricing says 64GB in the first sentence of the same paragraph, which is where the assumption comes from. During the first months of a new ram standard, the first to market always gouges. These ram are built on new processes that start in the desktop sector and move to others. It is still an assumption, but based on that pricing article.

 

Everybody drink!

(we're going to get smashed)

 

So I caved and ordered a P770DM-G.

Count me in the club.

 

@Ramzay why did you take the MX100 instead of the newer/better mx200?

Congrats on your purchase

 

maybe he already had that drive or he got a good price for it

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Duuuuh, makes sense

 

Answer below: I already have them.

 

FWIW, I had posted about this memory a while back - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-the-new-batcave.776183/page-80#post-10094651

@Prema was a bit unsure about the NOX memory. He thought as long as it was within JEDEC standards it would work. I thought it would be best to contact the company. However, at this time, my emails to Apacer have gone unanswered.

 

keep us updated on this @jclausius

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Guess what, amd is partnering with both glofo AND TSMC for arctic islands next year!

 

So will the batman 2.0 support External GPU's? if so I wonder if that means more monitors! Maybe I should wait till Kabylake for native TB 3 support, but won't they need a new motherboard for that?

 

Anyone knows when will the prema bios for batman be available? The stock bios have really limited options...


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Why do they need a new mb. Think z87/97 boards. Both worked with the 4790k. Broadwell was a joke. Only reason you'll need a new mb is new features or Intel being an ass (which the fear of Zen makes me think they won't this time)

Edit: yep, drop in ready

 

Yes it will, that's what the TB3 port is for.

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Well I wonder if the bios supports external graphics card? Also Kabylake supports native HDCP 2.2 support but I don't think the batman 2.0 supports HDCP 2.2 and I don't think just because kabylake supports that it will work with the HDMI 2.0 port. Meaning It may need a new hdmi port or the graphics card may need to support. If you haven't read up on HDCP 2.2 it's a big deal... for playing video

 

Awaiting delivery on a eurocom x6. Hopefully an unlocked version of the bios exist.

 

Same here, just placed my order today. I'm sure once Prema gets going, we can expect an unlocked BIOS for the P750/770DM.

 

Ask them. If they have it and you request it, you should get it.

 

Hmmm, so is eurocom partnered with prema on the unlocked bios? Either my order wont arrive until late november because of the lack of 980 desktop GPU.