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The 980M should have some legs yes, the extra VRAM and shaders will keep it going longer.

 

Darn, I'm so bad at doing this manually. It was a bit more off because of the profile the people I bought it from made. I got rid of that profile and it's a lot better now, but still not quite right.

 

If you are picky around it, it may be worth investing in a colorimeter.

 

So I've been waiting for the P775 model mostly because of future expandability and a 4K screen. I've been pricing them from some of the European resellers and I can't figure out why a P775 costs $1,200 USD more than a P770 WITH THE EXACT SAME COMPONENTS (aside from 4K screen). Are there some other sensible reasons it would be so much more expensive? That price difference doesn't seem justified just because it's a new model/case, 4K screen, and the new MXM slot.

 

Hello everyone!!
First post here, I'm a freelance designer and I travel overseas a lot and I'm looking for a laptop for creative work (Adobe CC, 3D modeling, video editing, web design etc...)

I've done a lot of research and I think my best bet would be a P750DM-G. My budget is $3000-$4000

I'm going overboard with my build because I want this laptop to last ~5 years without dealing with upgrades later
My build:
i7 6700K
64GB RAM
980m
2x 512GB Samsung 950Pro PCIe NVMe in raid0
2x 512GB Samsung 850Pro SSDs raid0
4K screen

Color accuracy is very important to me and I've seen people recommend that I choose the Sharp 4K screen instead of the Samsung, some sellers don't list the brand of panel so I don't know where to buy it from.
I think Eurocom has that option but charges about $1000 for the 64GB ram option where most other sellers charge ~$500

Also I don't see where it's mentioned what the difference is between the P750DM, P751DM and the P753DM

I wish there's an option for an SLI or a desktop 980 on a 15" because I fee like a 17" laptop might be a bit bigger than I would like and $1000-$2000 more for similar specs

Please feel free to give me any suggestions


Thank you.

Moe

 

I'm also getting ready to pull the trigger and have bought some components for the 17" version.

I have no suggestions as long as you are sticking to the caveat that you do not want upgrades later. If that was relaxed I might suggest the compromise I am making which is to stick with one 950 Pro and 32G RAM until the price of nvme drives goes down or capacity goes up and the price of DDR4 RAM goes down.

I have been told, the only differences between the 750 and the 751 is the trim on the exhaust grille. (750 is matte, 751 is glossy and is harder to find in the US)

I have not heard of a 753 model.

 

753 is just a designation for the DM that some shops slapped on it

 

Make sure you're comparing apples to apples. For example, most P775DM (The Wingman) default configs I've seen, use a 4K LCD and a 980 GTX desktop GPU. Those components will add $800 or so. Also, the vendor / boutique you're purchasing from may have some pricing differences if you're asking them to quote you in USD and the company normally operates with some other currency.

So, maybe it is something around these things you possibly overlooked that accounts for $$$ differences between the two.

 

hey guys I'm sure you've heard about the recent BCLK overclocking of locked skylakes on Z170 boards. Do you think this will make it to DM laptops? seems like it just needs a new bios that can do it.

 

Yep, I already accounted for all of those factors. I used Eurocom configuator to spec out a P775 with the EXACT SAME COMPONENTS as a P770 at Xotic PC. To be clear, that means the same processor, same amount and type of RAM, same 970M GPU, same thermal compound, same SSD & HDD....everything the same except for the 4K screen on the P775.

Eurocom allows you to select the currency, so both prices were in USD.

Anyone can check this for him or herself. Again, is there any sensible reason why a P775 would cost $1,200 USD more than a P770 with the exact same configuration except for the 4K screen?

 

I suggest waiting until everything is properly released before looking at pricing too hard.

 

I was afraid of that. Try it again, but this time use Canadian $$. Then search for CAD to USD or multiply by .7383 ( conversion rate last time I checked ). The price will be a little more inline.

With that said, @Meaker's advice is spot on. There aren't too many other vendors with the Wingman for sale yet. Waiting a while longer for the others may give you a better picture of what pricing will look like for a comparison between the two.

 

I received my P770DM from XMG today morning.
Laptop looks cool and solid, more impressive than on pictures.
Had no time before work to check everything, just windows 10 installed.
And I noticed so CPU-Z shows motherboard model P775DM(-G) with bios version 1.05.06. Do you think it is ok, or better clarify something with support?

 

say what now? could u kindly take pictures of the chassis? just to clarify which machine u have there in front of you

 

Try to find the x-rite i1 display pro on sale...

 

Don't want to jump to conclusions but clevo list a P775DM (Specifying 980m and 970m) Where as the P775DM1 is the one which indicated usage of desktop gpu.

Don't know if it's a typo,or a P775DM shell housing a P770Dm mobo,i guess in time will know what it is and if the boards are the same or whatever.

I guess those of us considering a purchase of the P775 with a (mobile M variant) and hoping to upgrade a a desktop gpu later on needs to be sure ure getting a P775DM1 and not the later as we(well i) don't know yet of the differences,if any between the two

 

That is fully firmware support dependent. From what I've seen on the ZM/DM (including the P870DM), the MB/firmware won't give much. It does not have bclk strapping (which would be HUGE for bclk OC) and isn't even pulling 2-3% well (I achieved a 2% bclk OC on the ZM by sacrificing performance and setting EVERYTHING to ACPI, which the OS is WAY less efficient than firmware at controlling components).

Short answer - NO!

Long answer - see above AND beg Clevo to add the option to future MB!!! Also, beg bios modders to investigate it, but there is no guarantee there is a way to add the support. Third option -learn to program firmware, solder a bios chip plug onto your mb to make it similar to a developer board, get a chip programmer and spare bios chips, go to town with trial and error and hope you don't brick a different component on the mb... ENJOY!!!

 

That is the chassi what i am talking about

Csm_g1_f5912b7b5c by Asting posted Dec 14, 2015 at 4:23 PM

and this is what i see in cpu-z

B9hwi2g8ync by Asting posted Dec 14, 2015 at 4:21 PM

 

from the front they look basically the same. best to show the exhaust grills, they look different. thus far id say thats an P770/1DM and not a P775DM. unless clevo pulled a fast one on us and secretly introduced yet another DM machine

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I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but again, I already accounted for currency exchange rates. Currency rates do NOT explain the price difference. The Eurocom website has a built-in currency converter which I set to USD as I mentioned in my previous posts. Anyone can go to the websites and check this for him or herself.

That said, I will wait a bit longer to get a better idea about pricing. One thing's for sure...if the prices listed so far are accurate, I'll be getting a P770 (and I imagine others might as well).

 

I got my 751DM-G from XMG a few days ago, and XTU etc are showing my motherboard as P775DM(-G) too. I also was wondering if I should clarify with XMG - my main concern is that nVidia drivers should recognise my laptop correctly.

 

You can use the search bar (top right corner) and select 'search only in this thread' from the pop up menu.

I had the same question. Ended up going with the Intel for its drivers support and the fact I hate 'gaming' merchandised products

 

hmmm interesting. it looks like clevo revamped the mobo base a bit to cut down on costs by using the same mobo for all P7 series machines. just that the 775 would have more available space to accomodate the desktop 980 and maybe also the mobo based external gpu connector + power phases that would potentially be lacking in the 771/0 machines....? as in, solder points existing but not populated.

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Will this ram work for the P750DM?
Option 1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...e=Ripjaws_DDR4_SO-DIMM-_-20-232-149-_-Product

I'm trying to decide between option 1 and option 2, which is better?

Option 2: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014R8JRRW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

 

The impact will be slightly faster due to lower latencies, both will work.

 

Though i would assume no one could ever tell a difference in performance between the two? Other than seeing numbers in a benchmark?

Also it looks like the Kingston has a head spreader where the impact does not. Not sure if that really matters though?

 

You're not reading what is in my post. Do NOT use the Eurocom web site to figure out pricing for USD, and then compare that pricing to Xotic PC. You need to do the conversion yourself if you want to do a true $$ to $$ comparison.

I'll send you a PM to further explain.

 

Even with a reasonable conversion rate, expect Eurocom to be significantly more expensive.

If you want to do a P770-vs-P775 comparison, I'd stick to comparing within a particular retailer.

 

Right, they are different models still, and comparing different retailers as well makes it almost an apples to oranges comparison. I'd wait to to a P775 to P775 comparison.

 

Hello all!
Just received my P771DM-G. Was wondering how do I access RAM1 and 2 slots. Does anyone have a service manual?

 

I have read a few articles about the Z170 chipset and the return of BCLK overclocking. Is the P7XXDM BIOS capable of tweaking the BCLK? Or is everyone waiting on a @Prema BIOS? I am certainly interested to hear how this plays out.

 

I agree with @pat@XOTICPC and @ccarollo. Try comparing same makes within a vendor. So, wait until the NDA is up and XOTICPC posts theirs or try finding Batman 2.0 within Eurocom. This should give you an idea on how much more Wingman will cost over Batman 2.0.

 

You'd have to wait for Prema. Also, even with his sorcery of bios, we don't have bclk strapping. Without those straps, you can't work the OC with bclk. If we had the 125, 166/67, 200, or higher, we'd be able to pull off some amazing feats!! But, the bios doesn't natively support it, the hardware doesn't seem to like it, and there is no sign of this changing... Until then, it doesn't matter if the cpu will take it, we get to dream...

 

Anyone knows where I can find the P750DM-G with the Sharp 4K IGZO screen for a reasonable price? Specifically the 64GB ram upgrade?

 

be patient for a P7 DM PremaMod folks, grapevine talk says the master is back from his vacation and is looking to take care of some projects he didnt have time for earlier

 

Could anyone help me?

I am not able to install Windows 10 on my new Clevo P771DM-G. The installer won't find my SSD (Samsung EVO850) and it asks for a driver.

 

You won´t find any because the Sharp 4k screen isn´t certified for G-sync (yet).

 

Eurocom has it, and I can swear I saw it somewhere else but i can't remember where.
And by the way I don't care about g-sync

 

Then you are looking for either the P750DM or the P750DM-G.. The "P750DM-G" is the 'G-Sync' version of that model, and it will run you a bit extra $$$.

I saw a Samsung 15" model (and that was G-Sync), but haven't run across any Sharp QFHD LCDs that were outright mentioned. You may want to contact resellers and see what make/model is being used for those resellers / boutiques which do *not* list details of the LCD.

 

For the Z170 chipset, I believe the BCLK is not linked to the DMI and PCI. Thus, it can be tweaked independently and maybe without a boot strap. I have read reports of people increasing the BCLK a few points at a time, which seems to suggest this is the case. *Shrug* In one report, the BCLK was increased to 350! Woot! Of course, the multiplier was locked much lower than default.

 

Ah, I see. Thanks for your PM, and I was not converting the currency manually as you explained. Apologies. Also, point taken about comparing within the same vendor.

So, I compared a P770 and P775 both from Eurocom (the Sky X6 and Sky DLX7, respectively). I also selected Canadian currency and manually converted the costs. Both laptops were configured with EXACT SAME COMPONENTS (GPU, processor, RAM, HDD/SSD, OS, wireless, thermal paste, and AC adapters) with the obvious and unavoidable exception of the 4K screen on the P775.

Results: P770 is $1,872 USD and P775 is $2,717 USD for a difference of $845 USD. Is it sensible that the P775’s 4K screen alone accounts for the $845 price jump? I’ve never priced laptop 4K screens by themselves, but can't imagine they would be that expensive. The other possibilities would be an additional price premium for the new chassis and/or the upgraded cooling system, but that still seems excessive.

Lastly, I also can't wait until the NDA is lifted and see what XoticPC offers it at. I really want the P775, so fingers crossed the price makes some kind of sense.

 

If you don´t care about g-sync, and want a Sharp 4k screen, then you want a P75xDM, not a P75xDM- G. You just have to find a reseller that offers that screen as an option.

Don´t think so. From a "regular" 15" ips fhd screen to the 15" Sharp 4k Igzo ~%100sRGB the differnce is about 350€ here in Europe. I´d take that the 17" 4k panel on the P775 is the new AUO ~%100AdobeRGB, so that´ll have a bigger difference than the example i gave, but i´d put it at around 500€ (worst case scenario).

 

Double post, please delete.

 

By not being linked, it means you don't OC the ram and pcie when OC'ing the bclk is all. The strapping is predefined jumping points that you set. Common straps are 125, 166, 200, and now 250. Check your multiplier and try 125. See if it boots. If it does, the straps are in place. From these straps, depending on motherboard, you can go as much as 13% above or below, with 3% bring common, 5-7% being good, and above that being amazing. Start with those, don't try to increase it slowly to 125, you will fail!

Note- you may have to reset the cmos if you fail, among other things!!!

 

Assuming the slots 1 and 2 are the one under the keyboard...follow the instructions below (for p751, should be similar for 771).
You open the bottom panel by unscrewing the 4 screws , unscrew the 2 screws holding the keyboard (one is below the right fan, labeled KB and the other one is labeled also KB but the label is not visible because of the bridge between the gpu/cpu heatsink but you should notice the screw). Then just pop the keyboard out a bit by pushing with a small screwdriver in the screw hole (chose which hole you want) and then just...take out the keyboard.

Be careful with the keyboard ribbons when taking it out.

LE: Check this thread out CLICK HERE - in romanian. Shows how i mounted the 3g modem, but the first pics show how to take out the keyboard on p751. Should be similar for p771, right?

 

D'oh. Just purchased this badboy barebones, and now the 6700k is out of stock at my local shop!

 

I am also looking into buying a 775 with 4K, but the current prices are ludicrous.

 

Just wait Eurocom pre-order prices are always inaccurate and their website price has an absurd currency conversion...

 

If your'e not a creative professional "(lol)" looking for near 100% adobe can ask them if they will allow spec'n it with the sharp igzo or the samsung 4k as those are cheaper than the AUO but not as color accurate.Assuming they are compatible,they usually list available screens as an upgrade/downgrade option,however the unit listing is new anyways thus best to call/email and ask for options

 

blacky upgrading to a new system! oh my! the wingman lounge could surely use a user of your caliber, mate

another alienware user jumping ship to the clevo side of life although uve been there before