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    *** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by ProFX, May 18, 2015.

  1. Meaker@Sager

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    Our NP9778 can be equipped with 980M and G-sync display.
     
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    It's not quite a US reseller but Eurocom stock the P775DM-G. It's listed as their Sky DLX7 and they offer it with a 980M. Their warranty covers USA ground shipping so in that respect they're as good as an American reseller.

    @perion just beat me there and listed others! So there's a few options around. I'm only familiar with Eurocoms offerings as I almost ordered it myself since they're good with international shipping.
     
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    Thanks for sending those links. I knew about most of those except for HIDevolution.

    The Mythlogic one is a P770, not P775.

    The HIDevolution link says it's P775, but further down the screen the promotion materials are all for the P770, so I'm not that confident it actually is a P775. Plus, I haven't heard great things about HIDevolution, so I wouldn't consider them anyway.

    The Eurocom one is an actual P775DM-G and has been there for a while. But, it's insanely overpriced and even if it covers shipping, I want a US reseller to cut down on any shipping time that might be needed.

    I'll keep looking for US resellers to start stocking it.
     
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    Some resellers offer the 980m as an option for the 775dm1 as well. But that's wouldn't really matter if you aren't considering a GPU upgrade throughout your systems lifetime...Or looking for max thermal headroom for extreme overclocking. If GPU upgrade is even a remote possibility go for the P870DM as the possibility to add a 980m for SLI would be well worth the premium, with the best thermal performance of the bunch as a bonus. Otherwise the 770 should cover you on all the other bases (CPU,RAM,storage) and will be the lightest as well.

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    Sorry about that ... I had gotten some information from Mythlogic at the beginning of this month about the P775 (a snippet follows) and my mind mixed up that information with their current offerings.

    Chat 2016.02.05
    One Smart Nerd
    17:25:42 Hello, how can I assist you?
    Paul
    17:26:05 Hi, will you be offering a machine based on the Clevo P775DM1?
    One Smart Nerd
    17:26:19 We will, the issue has been stable stock from Clevo at this point
    One Smart Nerd
    17:26:27 were you looking for the 4K flavor or the FHD flavor?
    Paul
    17:26:51 for cost reasons, probably the FHD
    One Smart Nerd
    17:27:29 That looks to be March'ish that we will get those hopefully in stock
     
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    Yeah, I'm looking at just going for a 970M for my purposes, and at most I'd like the possibility of upgrading to mxm Pascal when/if that comes out. Or, by that time just using external GPU connected by Thunderbolt.

    Wow, that's awesome news! That's the most detail I've heard. I've asked XoticPC and Mythlogic before, and got no info. But, it's the 775DM1-G version. I'd be curious if they'll also stock the 775DM-G version. I really want to go with Mythlogic or XoticPC.
     
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    Any suggestions? Or is it just the drivers causing this do you think?

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    I would think we would start offering the same time Sager might get it listed. I haven't heard of any dates though at this point for when it might be though.
     
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    Can anyone tell me if their p750dm easily goes to 75hz? None of the sellers seem to be 100% sure.


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    Thanks, Pat. I've been checking Sager's website every day (often multiple times per day) for that very reason :) I'll keep checking. I wish there was even some vague ETA. If it's best measured in weeks, I'd wait. If it's best measured in months, I'll just go with 770DM-G.
     
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    The 770DM-G was actually the system I initially ordered, and just before it was being bulit, I learned about the P870DM-G so I sent HIDevolution an email to cancel the order and pre-order me the P870DM-G. Either way you go, they are all excellent system and nothing on the market even comes close to their configuration options, upgrade paths, and performance
     
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    My first introduction to HIDevolution was Phoenix's thread, and there's no doubt that he had a phenomenal experience. After reading his review, I decided to give HIDevolution serious consideration. Unfortunately, as a counterpoint to @Phoenix, there were others who weren't as lucky in their dealings with them (for a sample, click here). So, now I'm confused and not quite sure how to decide ... sigh.
     
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    to be honest, I was shocked to see that thread. Luckily when I purchased I didn't see it and gave them a shot and I was nothing but impressed, every time.

    Look at it this way, every buyer has had bad experience here and there with some reseller, but look at the overall picture, how many bad threads do you see? I just saw this one only because someone here mentioned it, but I see other resellers with much worse horror stories.
     
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    Does anyone happen to have a specification for the power connector? I'd like to look for a right angle adapter to take some stress off the power connector.
     
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    The 1080p panel (mine is LG LP156WF6) doesn't overclock much at all. Only goes to 63hz which I'm fairly sure is a software/tcon lock of some kind. If you're after a faster panel, the 770DM is a much better choice as you're pretty much guaranteed to get 75hz out of the 17" 1080p panel, if not higher.

    Not sure about the 15" 4K panel though. AFAIK nobody here has one and has attempted overclocking it.
     
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    Mr. Fox tried, anything about 60 hz on that 4K screen leads to a black screen.

    G-SYNC 1080P screens FTW. 75hz out of the box
     
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    My p750dm-g dont go to 75hz or even near.
     
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    What panel/screen do you have? check using AIDA64, there is a tab on the left for screen/monitor
     
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    Every single panel will clock differently.
     
  22. jpsm

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    Whats the max you get?
     
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    Thats sad to know. As i really wanted the 750dm

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    Acccording to larry in order for it to be a "gsync" panel it must be 75hz.


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    Unfortunately, that's just wrong. The original release documentation from Nvidia over a year ago suggested this would be the case. However, since they didn't actually put their foot down as far as spec, and likely due to the inability to create 4K G-Sync panels higher than 60hz, they didn't really follow through with the 75hz requirement. Currently, all 4K G-Sync panels are 60hz.

    Thing is, I have no doubt the LG 1080p panel is capable of 75hz, but I don't have the necessary knowledge or tools to test the theory. I suspect it may be in the TCON somewhere that is either blocking higher refresh-rates outright or achieving the same thing with a bandwidth limiter.
     
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    Hoping someone can test it out. I asked him though if he could guarantee 75hz on my panel still waiting for confirmation. If he could i would be getting it from them. Also how hard is it to add a 2.5 inch hard drive? Ill be getting it w only an m.2 ssd. I plan to get a 1tb 2.5 inch ssd over amazon as its the best route.
     
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    If it does come out at 75hz, make sure to get a HWID for it for us here. I'm sure many would gladly upgrade panels if >75hz was doable. Who knows, some suppliers may have more screens available or maybe AUO finally got off their collective arses and got G-Sync certified.

    As for 2.5" drive, it's super simple. If it's a slim 7mm drive you'll need to use on of the supplied foam/rubber spacer to go on the keyboard facing side of the drive, AS WELL as the bottom-facing spacer which is on a plastic sheet (with tab cut-out so you can pull the drive back up). The service manual suggest sticking the rubber spacer to the chassis itself which I think is pretty daft. I just stick it onto the drive itself. Otherwise if you end up sticking a 9.5mm drive in later you have to deal with peeling the rubber out and dealing with the glue that gets left behind.....
     
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    I decided to get the 770dm. I want to be sure to get a machine atleast at 75hz. 50usd for a bigger screensize+ sure 75hz panel. Better to be safe than sorry.


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    I thought all p750dm-g FHD panel is lp156wf6spb1.
    Mine has that too.
     
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    My 750dm-g get only up to 62-63hz.
    I dont know if this is due to silicon lottery but I thought it was due to bios.
     
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    If someone else with ths 750dm can only go to 62-63 then i would say yes its due to bios.


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    I am not sure every p750dm bios works the same.
    I know clevo stock and xmg are similar but the one I use (korean hansung bios) is surely different than others.
    Stock power limit for CPU (long power limit) is 53w or something for clevo or xmg but mine is 118w.
    So I am not sure if clevo bios locked LCD frequency too but I am pretty sure it's not silicon lottery because all korean p750dm-g users have the same problem as I do.
    That's why I am thinking that the problem may be due to bios or just the panel itself is made that way.
     
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    My p770dmg can get 90hz. I did not test beyond that. It is LG panel with g-sync.

    Thing is with 90hz I usually get purple screen when alt-tabbing between games, specially with CSGO. More often than not I have to alt-tab several times to fix the issue. Sometimes it appears purple bands, sometimes it is dark with purple lines. I don't want to risk it since it is my first experience with this kind of OC so I reverted to native configuration 1080p and 60 hz.

    I did try 75hz also, don't remember but I think I have the same issue as with 90hz.

    Edit: tested again with 75hz and it seems stable when alt-tabbing. When you alt-tab usually the screen goes black first, with oc it goes black/purple.
     
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    Hi everybody. After a long wait, at last i got my p771dm-g (6700k/980m/8gb2133mhz/256GB "850" ssd+hdd's). I have had it for 2 weeks and wanted to share my experience with it. I could'nt be more happier about it because ALL my expectations came true. This was'nt true with my last asus (g771jw or something like that). This time i did my research. I like the robust looks and prefer it above
    all others (msi/alienware/asus/acer). I have no reseller name whatsoever on it (had to ask them - "ORDI" in Estonia). Keyboard feels nice, although i have always preferred to use external wireless keyboard and mouse for gaming experience 1-1,5m away from screen. I have everything on stock exluding -150mv undervolt on the processor. Temps while gaming are in their 50s and 60s with automatic fans. I carry it around much and don't have an issue with weight. Although i don't have the need for it, the whooshing sound on max fans i nice :) I have'nt got into overclocking of any kind and probably won't in the near future (although some general guidelines and suggestions with flashing prema's vbios would be appreciated) but i did try overclocking screen for short period to 75hz and i it worked with few latest games
    but when "fear 3" did'nt accept that, i reverted it back to default 60hz and have'nt tried anything since only because i don't see the need to...for now. I have a few minor issues with it and any help would be appreciated. (conserning point 2 and 3)

    1. right side usb3 is acting out physically. It does'nt always recognize my external mouse/keyboards receiver and only after i apply brute force pressure to the receiver and then plug it in, it works.
    It may be faulty receiver or faulty usb port. Have'nt had the time to test further.

    2. fn+F11 (airplane mode) does'nt work. Windows 8.1 all drivers should be up to date from http://www.clevo.com.tw (driver booster reports no outdated drivers). Airplane mode does work manually fine through windows. (i actually remembered right now that for some reason bluetooth is'nt installed).

    3. I can't get my subwoofer to work. What should i do?

    4. Touchpad drivers cannot be installed (just shows failed install).

    Aside from these minor things i am a very proud owner of p771dm-g and do hope it will stay so for a very long time.
     
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    I have 750dm-G/ LG LP156WF6. I have tested my screen can only reach 63Hz. Not sure about non-G version or other panels.
     
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    Yeah same here. Dont worry. I think p750dm-g is made that way.
    All the people I know who owns p750dm-g has the same problem.
    Maybe it's not "problem", just our situation :)
     
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    Thanks for confirming!


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    So this is the configuration i will be getting from lpcdigital. Just waiting for my aunt to drop the payment.
    Gtx 980m
    I7-6700k
    8gb ram
    250gb m.2 ssd.

    I opted not to get the 1tb drive as i will be purchasin that on amazon. What is better/easier way to add storage, m.2ssd or a 2.5inch ssd. Its 146.99 for the 2.5 inch 500gb samsung 850 and 157.99usd for the m.2 500gb samsung 850. Also should i buy screws or additional stuff to hook this things up? Could you kindly link the part i will need over at amazon and i want to buy another 8gb ram what brand should i get? Sorry for asking so much questions. All the laptops i owned, i left them at stock since i did not have enough funds back then.

    Btw larry was really helpful. He is very knowledgeable and answered my questions as best he could. Amazing service.


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    Faster means better for SSD. So get a m.2 nvme ssd instead of sata ssd.
    ANd if I were you, I'd get sm951 instead of pm951. If you dont have a choice for ssd, then dont buy ssd and buy samsung 950pro from somewhere else.

    Memory brand doesn't really matter but it's usually better and safer to get the same brand memory. So if you are buying a laptop with single 8gb stick, then get the same brand stick.
     
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    Why are the prices of nvme almost double? But amongst the two i mentioned, which one is better and easier to install? Also isthere a way to check what brand of ram they installed on my machine? I ask them to install it below my keyboard so that i have the 2 easily accessible slots empty.


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    I agree. Buy another memory stick from amazon or similar, I did the same and I saved like 80 euros.

    SSD are very easy to install, both sata and m.2. m.2 ssd is faster but I don't think it is noticeable. For me at least it is not worth at the moment.
     
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    Im personally leaning towards a sata SSD like a 850 evo/pro as a better buy right now as the 950 pro (apart from the double cost and incompatibility with older systems) is not the best an NVMe drive can offer, unlike the current sata SSDs that saturate the sata 3 bus. Hence id go sata now and upgrade to the best performing NVMe drive in future that's fast enough to saturate the the 4 PCIe lanes. Is my logic flawed? Am I missing out on something not going 950 pro right now?

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    Tbh i think the 950 is too expensive. I mean i dont need that much speed in read and write. Ill mostly do gaming. I think a standard ssd will suffice


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    If budget is a restriction the 850 evo offers a lot more capacity for the price.
     
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    Dont say you dont need speed when u're buying p7x0dm-g. :)
     
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    I'd agree, it makes sense to buy for your needs. Personally, for what I use my computer for, would rather spend more on a larger Sata SSD over a smaller PCIe. But each person is different. And you can always upgrade later once prices drop on 950 Pros, or whatever else comes next.
     
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    Optane drives have to be getting close!
     
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    Will the upgrading/adding the m.2/ 2.5inch ssd be as simple as plugging it in and screwing the thing? Or is there something i should buy over at amazon aside from the m.2/2.5 inch samsung ssd?


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    I meant it only for the drives/ read and write speed. :p


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    In terms of setup you'll want to transfer your OS to the SSD but in terms of installing it; it really is as simple as slotting it in. After taking the cover off there's a single screw for the M.2 and 4 for the 2.5". Assuming you're using Win10 everything will work out the box without any additional config.

    If you're not fussed on the maximising storage speed a SATA based M.2 could be a good option as price-wise they're competitive with the 2.5" models and leave you with space for a second mechanical.

    From what you've said I'd recommend you go for an M.2 over a 2.5" for an SSD. The Samsung 850 EVO 250GB or PRO 256GB are now the same price in M.2 or SATA format and if you find you want extra storage later it's easy to pick up a cheap mechanical 2.5".
     
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