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did you switch your charge port in the bios so its not a sata, something in manual states that there is a off procedure for sata usb charge port.

Does anyone think there will be a gtx 980 desktop for the 15" clevo's, or am I just dreaming.
Saw it on you tube it looked a little bigger than 970m/980m type b
Just wondering if anyone has tried it.

 

Hi guys i might be pulling the trigger on the 9758-s/750dm few questions i have
1)Whats the highest refresh rate i can get? I will be getting the 1080p
2) how are the temps while gaming 980m+6700k?
3)what tests should i run? i will be in the us for only a month so i have to test everything out cause when i get back to my country warranty will be useless already. Will be getting from xotic cause i am a returning customer+sales reps have been really helpful
4)how is the keyboard? I am coming from an aw15 and ge60 both of them are kinda okay but i found the ge60 better in terms of it not being an island style keyboard.
5) is there a gpu switch like the msi gt72?


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1 - If it's the DM -G you can get as high as 100Hz. I've got mine at a steady 100Hz no problem. Search the thread to see how you can verify the panels.
2 - 980m runs at a cool 60~65ºC for me. Cpu is around 80~85. It's stable and pretty quiet.
3 - If you're getting from Xotic try to get them to run the tests for you. They already have the software and expertize so they can make sure you get a good unit, maybe?
4 - I had a MSI GS70 and loved it's keyboard. On the DM i love it a bit less but it's fine and you'll get used to it quickly.
5 - No. 980m is ALWAYS running. The CPU's integrated graphics are never used to power the display.

Thanks anyways man. I ended up doing a clean install.

Well I have the power thru USB turned ON on the BIOS. I use it to sometimes charge my phone or stuff but it only works with the eSATA/USB3.0 por on the left of the notebook. I don't have the base connected to that port.


Guys I'm having major trouble downloading the drivers! Clevo.com/tw is getting an error for every download. Any way I can get official drivers not thru there?

 

FYI this is VERY wrong with the 750DM. The 750DM/-G LG panels will only go to 63hz before being soft-locked. The 770DM (ie 17") is the one that often goes to ~100hz.
This is the one thing that kind of sucks with the 750DM.

 

Sh*t! Yeah you're right, I thought I read 770DM.
Everything else should be about the same. Even cooling as they use the very same coooling system. But in practice the bigger 770DM runs a couple degrees cooler.

 

Here - http://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_U506_und_U706/

 

Could you try running ATTO benchmark? I find if the machine is cool and I blast full fans it maintains performance on all read/write sizes but if I let the fans auto run, it starts to throttle at the 1024Mb read/write size and drops off a lot from there.

If I rerun the test while the drive is still hot from the last run can produce some pretty bad relative numbers.

 

Is that for windows or is it available for Linux?

I generally don't pay attention to benchmarks outside of real world work that I can reproduce. They tend not to reflect my actual experience from what I've seen. Of course your mileage may vary.

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It seems to only be a windows package.

Unfortunately reading and writing 1G chunks of data and using the drive when the machine is warm fall into my usage pattern.

 

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en
There driver downloads are working. The page you showed looked dead

The Hdmi port on the back is 1.4a
its not 2.0 is it, dont know what HDMI HDCP HDCP=?????????????

 

Holy crap i was about to get it til i read your post. It was between the batman and the gt72 w 6700hq+980m+256gbssd+1tbhd for 1899usd. I guess ill go with the gt72. Thanks for clearing things up!


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Why not the 7 70DM-G?

 

just flashed the Bios too from palkeo, my P771DM-G is still recognized as P7xxDM(-G) and yeah no issues so far, only reference i found from the P775DM(-G) was in the DMI Section when looking with AIDA64, everything worked before and works now + the fact i can now OC my Memory i just put it from CR T2 to T1 without issues only had to reactivate windows.

 

Well if i am not getting the gt72 i wanted something smaller but w more power. Also looks matter to me from what ive read the batman looks good. Does the 770dm look better?


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It looks pretty much the same as the 15'm model.
The 770dm and the gt72 are a tough choice to make. I was in the same spot. Went with the Clevo for the better upgradeability, quietness and temperatures, equivalent speaker solution and DAT DESKTOP 6700K + ease of CPU upgrading.
It's a bit pricey but if you're in a budget I would reccommend getting a slightly weaker CPU like an i5 6500 ou 6600 and getting stronger graphics or storage solutions. Later you can sell the CPU and upgrade to a stronger one or just wait for the next generation.

 

Yeah, but you're not getting across the ocean in a row boat.

 

Why oh WHY does the integrated gpu have to be permanently disabled and unused?

 

Is the 6600k better than the 6700hq? Is there a switch to ramp up fans like the previous models fn+f1 i think? I am in the thinking tank once again. Only problem i am scared of is if something goes wrong i will have to ship it back to xoticpc or if a friend goes to the us i will have him take it back. Are the speakers good? I heard nothing but good things about the dynaudio on the gt72 as its the best out in the market.


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Where are you from?

It's better on some things, worse on others like power consumptions, etc... I suggest you do a google search. There's tons of comparison engines where tou can draw a better conclusion based on your needs.
Dont dorget tou can always switch it to a more powerful one on the 770dm, and its a regular desktop grade cpu.

Yes there is a fan switch.

Speakers are great. Almost the same as in the gt72

 

I am from the philippines but will be going to the us next month thats why i can pick up anything i want. I just saw a deal over at microsoft for any laptop less10% if you are a student or parent of a student if i can get the discount w the help of my student cousin then i think its the gt72 1889 for 256ssd+1tbhdd+24gbram+980m+6700hq. If that wont work then i guess ill consider this again and a laptop from ncixus(since its way cheaper than what xoticpc is offering bec they have a diff sku)

Only thing ill be doing with the laptop is gaming and i cant seem to find gaming benchmarks with the skylake processors desktop and laptop counterparts. Though i heard from the haswell gen that there is little to no difference when you play with a desktop i5 vs desktop i7 and mobile i7.


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Have a look at the NP8658/P650RG, it offers the performance while remaining portable.

 

Guys [ regarding some issues with flashing BIOS downloaded from our website ]

This is the first that I have heard about these problems, I am not aware of any of our customers rendering their laptops functionless after flashing any recent BIOS and no one on nbr has said anything to me about it - I just stumbled on the conversations this evening.

Please please please tell me about any kind of issues like this. It doesn't matter if you bought from us or from another company, if you find any issues whatsoever with BIOS or EC available on our website I can't emphasize enough how important it is to tell us directly.

I totally appreciate the regard in which Prema is held on this and other forums and fully understand why people will have reached out for support - I'm sure that Prema would be able to help you resolve any such problems if you didn't purchase your laptop from us and may be a prefered option compared to contacting your original seller. But if this was just a simple mistake where a BIOS was wrongly labled and uploaded (simple mistake but with possibly serious reprocussions I fully understand) then it will be an easy issue to pick up and easy to resolve.

I have pm'd some members to ask for more information, please can we keep the discussions to pm so that I can keep track of what's happening. Thanks.

 

Hey folks. Was wondering if anyone had any inside info on if/when the Prema P7xxDM bios will become available.

Additionally, anyone having issues with their intel 8260 cards? I had a W10 forced driver update yesterday for the e2400 ethernet card, and somehow this jacked up my wireless. Reversion to a system restore point and full reinstalls of the drivers hasn't worked. I've got spotty 5.2 ghz speeds now.. continuing to troubleshoot.

 

6600k is better for most cases including gaming, 6700hq only beats it when all 8 threads are maxed out (not by a large margin), you could easily upgrade to a 6700 or 6700k if that matters.

If shipping cost worries you, consider buying from HIDevolution as their warrenty covers shipping.

If you are considering a 17+ inch Clevo I would consider the p775dm1-G/p775dm-G (assuming the p870dm dm-g is out of your budget) since it supports the gtx980, it should be available to most us venders by the time you order.
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=900&lang=en
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=898&lang=en


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Figured it out... what an odd problem:

A few months ago, to get my e2400 ethernet card working, I had to completely remove all bigfoot / killer network software. This was particularly challenging because the uninstaller failed. I was eventually able to do so manually by opening up the IPv4 properties of my e2400 and uninstalling the "Bigfoot Bandwith Control Protocol". Once that was uninstall, the entire software suite could be installed.

Thereafter, I was able to locate a 'drivers-only' download for the e2400 and installed it. voila.

So what does this have to do with my intel 8260? Well, windows 10 in its infinite glory just decided to download an update for the e2400 card - even though I have it explicitly set not to download driver updates. Whatever driver it installed totally jacked didn't seem to noticeably affect my ethernet card but it BROKE MY WIFI... well, mostly - 2.4 ghz seemed fine, but 5 ghz, while it would connect to the AP just fine, had about 10kbps down/up speed.

I reinstalled the wifi drivers countless times, multiple versions, yadda yadda. Nothing.

Finally, on a whim, I reinstalled the e2400 drivers... and everything went back to normal.

I'm on the one hand relieved, and on the other hand absolutely livid at wasting the past 3 hours of my evening on this stupid, stupid issue. Hopefully if someone else encounters it, they'll find this post.

 

I really wish microsoft would not force driver updates unless a device vendor marks it as critical (due to some other issue like it causing hardware failures).

 

I had problem, I will PM you about this.

 

You can start following this to make it fully hackintoshable:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/el-capita...-6700k-intel-z170-nvidia-980m-4k-display.html

 

Hidevolution charges too much imo. Compared prices last night. Well a few hours ago i tried to contact our local distribitor of clevo products the rebranded laptops are under the group/brand HELIX and this is what they said "We can do service for Clevo laptops, but we have a diagnostic fee and service charge applicable, plus parts and shipping. Can I know the problem and the model of the unit?" "The diagnostic fee is Php800, and the minimum service charge is Php1500 (depending on the nature of the problem). However the diagnostic fee will be applied towards the service charge if you decide to proceed with the repair. " so they can repair any clevo units bought outside the country but for a price. Now with that in mind i will not hesitate in picking up a clevo . I am trying to get the best config i could for around 2200usd anything less is better but i dont want to compromise on gaming performance so i want a 980m(mxm) gsync a ssd for boot and a processor that wont bottle neck gaming when we have the gpu docks via usbtypec come in the market. I think xotic offers the cheapest bec i am a returning customer. Does the p775 look good in person?


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The best way to gauge looks is seeing for yourself (checkout the Clevo website).

As for config, go for whatever your budget allows. Remember this is a customizable laptop so you can always upgrade when the need arises, the P775DM(1) offers an extra GPU option over the 770/750. From what I've read anything upwards from 970m should handle 1080p while a 980 (not 980m) is a must for VR.

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Hi all,

I have just got around to doing a benchmark on my laptop.

Results for Fire strike were 8583 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10892183

Do you think these are pretty good for a stock system?

I have also noticed my GPU is downclocking anymore. Is this because of these 361.75 drivers

Cheers

Jim

 

Your gpu score should be higher.

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Alright guys i am about ready to purchase this machine now. I found out that the local msi service center wont service any msi laptop bought outside my country(nice eh? Talk about global warranty lol)
Last few questions.
1)Will the 230w adapter be ample for the i7 6700k+980m i also plan to do basic overclocking on the cpu?
2)is it easy to upgrade ram and add an m.2 ssd?
3) what are the problems you encountered with the machine? If there are any of course.
4) what is the main reason why someone would take this instead of the p870dm? I tried my best to configure both below 2.3k usd and the p870dm was only more expensive by 10usd. 980m+6700k except w out an ssd.
5)i really want the 750dm but nobody was able to go above 75hz refresh rate. Was anyone successful in over clocking the display to 75hz? If nobody was able to do it then i will be forced to get the 770dm.

Thank you very much for your help guys! I really appreciate it as i will soon be having my own batman .

 

1. From what I've read the 230w adapter is usually enough. I've only used the 330w and it really is quite the brick. Buying again I would go for the 230w. Most 6700K in these can take a undervoltage and an overclock. From memory around -75mV and 4.4GHz is rock stable. My GPU is not a great clocker though.
2. Very easy. There are three screws for access to one bank of two RAM slots and an M.2 slot. The other two RAM slots are under the keyboard and access there is pretty simple. I'd recommend taking a look at the service manual for a guide on accessing those if you need them, different OEMs will install the stock RAM in different locations.
3. The rubber can scratch quite unforgivingly and fingerprints aren't easy to remove from the rubberised surface. These are the closest to any real issue I've had.
4. I chose the P770DM over the P870DM since it was an awful lot more than a 10USD difference for the same spec and the expansion options weren't worth the cost difference to me. If the price was that close I would have gone for the P870DM. Does that P870DM include G-SYNC? That price similarity surprises me.
5. I can only speak to my P770DM, it reaches 100Hz happily. I haven't heard of anyone getting their P750DM as high as 100Hz.

 

From what i read the 750dm maxes out at 63hz. If it goes to 75hz then ill be picking the 750dm.

Yes its gsync i customized one from xoticpc as it is it is 2169 but + 50 for 6700k and 80usd for windows 10 and its at 2299 but w only a 1tb 7200rpm hd and no warranty on deadpixels and no thermal compound.

The np9778-s/p770dm as it is, is at 1969 but i added the 980m decreased ram to 8gb from 16gb but it already comes w a 250gb samsung 850 m.2 ssd + 1tb 7200rpm hd. Free cooling compound and free deadpixels warranty. Totals at 2289.

So when i order i should say that they put the ram below the keyboard as its hard to access? Also i want to request them to send me pictures of the screen and a pic of them putting the thermal compound on my machine as its quite a hassle sending it back to them if i spot a deadpixel. I want to make sure they will be sending me something w out deadpixels. You think they can honor my request?


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Yes, usually for a lot of configurations the -S version is the way to go, since it is discounted from the standard model. It is fine to request the ram to be put behind the keyboard, as I believe that is normally how it is installed on a lot of models. I don't think we would be able to get pictures though, just because it is being built at Sager and not in our own facility. The IC Diamond does get applied, and it is pretty rare that a dead pixel pops up after checking the screen for one though. But if you have questions or I can help with anything, let me know. Thanks!

 

It will vary from panel to panel. You're overclocking the panel to get more than 60Hz on either machine so it's not supported and I doubt xoticpc will support it. It's not completely impossible that you'll reach 75Hz, but it might as well be. I haven't heard of a 770DM using the LG panel that won't reach at least 75Hz (I believe the same panel is sold clocked at 75Hz) and 100Hz is typical though G-Sync doesn't always play nicely with 100Hz since it isn't a typical refresh rate.

I misunderstood, your original post mentioned the P870DM rather than the P770DM for $10 difference.
In terms of your other questions you won't find a more reliable answer than above. A deadpixel warranty would involve them checking the screen prior to sending as mentioned.

Just curious by why do you want pictures of them applying the thermal compound?

 

I think for a lot of people they want to make sure it is done (since it isn't a spec in the computer you can look at like a hard drive), and applied properly.

 

Makes sense. I would have though the tubs bulk thermal compound came in wouldn't be particularly discernible from each other and even then knowing 100% that's what was used so there's always an element of trust. I didn't purchase from yourselves to comment but I know despite having factory IC Diamond on mine the paste job wasn't top notch though for the price I'd still recommend it for most.

 

I want a pic of the screen atleast before it is shipped bec if i find a deadpixel i migjt have to ship it back and i wont be in america for a long time. It might not make it back on time.

 

As what pat said. I dont plan on opening it anytime soon. Maybe in a couple of months to add more ram and an m.2

Well the only reason i am picking up the 770dm instead of the 750dm is bec of screen overclocking. Do you think a reseller could help me with thst? I want the 750dm if they can guarantee a 75hz refresh rate on that then count me in as a buyer/customer.
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Perfectly good reason! I really was just curious =)
Adding an M.2 and more RAM is straightforward and there's no need to remove the heatsink to do so. Both M.2 slots are accessible under the bottom cover and there are a couple of RAM slots there too.

I don't know of any reseller that supplies anything over a 60Hz panel with the P750DM though this thread suggests otherwise. It seems worth a phone call to LPC to find out what they have to say on the matter.
In honesty I don't know if you'll notice a world of difference between 60Hz and 75Hz but it sounds like you know what you want.
The P770DM has the larger screen (which I would consider a plus) and can reach 100Hz without any real issue.

 

Quick update for you guys on the BIOS front. We have made Clevo aware of some irregularities with their BIOS versions which seem to have had a knock on effect with non XMG customers. Once we receive our BIOS from Clevo, we don't change anything in the BIOS apart from the adding the XMG boot logo. I could go into a lot of detail here but I think it will mainly cause more questions to be asked, so I will just leave it to this (if you are flashing our BIOS but do not own an XMG laptop):

- please check if you have G-Sync or non G-Sync model, flashing the wrong BIOS won't brick the laptop but it won't detect the GPU if you flash the wrong one

- please make sure that you fully match up your laptop Clevo model number with our equivalent XMG model number. We don't use Clevo designations for our products

- the P7xxDM BIOS has a DMI entry of P775DM, XMG doesn't do anything that would change the DMI entries in this manner

- P870DM BIOS was split (in January) into G-Sync and non G-Sync versions on our download page, so this shouldn't have caused any issues.

I don't have details of everyone who reported a problem on this forum, but thanks to godfafa_kr for sending me some information and to Prema who passed on some further information from people who contacted him.

We have very limited information on the timescale of problems, if all the files were downloaded from our website or from mirrors and so on. Our BIOS team have tested the majority of files currently available (all the P series and U series) and didn't encounter any issues apart from the DMI table entry mentioned above which came directly from Clevo.

 

So i guess its a lottery. Weird that xotic cant honor my request of taking a pic of the screen before having it shipped they said sager assembles them. I thought they would be doing the assembling themselves. I guess 750dm it is! I get to save 50more dollars by picking the 15inch


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Overclocking is always a lottery From reading that thread LPC Digital may just be offering some kind of warranty on the overclock though it seems mixed as to if they actually do offer it at all. I couldn't see any mention of it on their site. I'd speak to them before getting your hopes too high!
I wouldn't read anything into not being able to take a picture of the screen. Screens are typically factory fitted rather than a drop-in component. In my opinion the less the laptop is opened to that extent the better. Fittings do get worn when they aren't designed for users but I will say Clevo do have some of the best quality in that regard.
With XoticPC they're offering a warranty and saying they're being checked; I have no doubt they are. It would be too many headaches and expense for them otherwise. Considering the warranty cost would barely cover shipping one-way yet alone both ways (insuring laptops for postage is not cheap!) not to mention the bad-will from customers.

If it leaves the factory without dead pixels it's hugely unlikely they'll develop later, usually it's manufacturing shortcomings that cause dead pixels in the first place.

I can't speak to either reseller's quality but I have heard of wonderful things about XoticPCs aftercare and support. I've never heard of LPC Digital. Personally I ordered from Eurocom but I'm in the EU and they offered the best prices plus sorted the import side of things their end.

 

So, I'm considering the 870 vs. the 770. On XoticPC, if I configure them with the same specs (i7-6700, 980M, 16GB RAM, same SSD/HDD, same wireless), the 870 ends up costing about $120 USD more than the 770. There are only 2 differences that immediately jump out at me: 1) the 870 can be upgraded to the full desktop 980 (which I wouldn't opt for) and 2) the display hinges are different between the models.

Besides these two points, are there other differences between these two laptops?

 

Thank you for posting this. This really is good information to have out there. I know @GrunnMouse had issues as a result of this. Too few vendors post BIOS updates as it is so it's good to see a company releasing the updates publically. It's a shame when things go wrong though it seems evident the fault here doesn't lie with XMG.

There are a few internal differences, there's an additional slot for a second GPU as well support for the 980. The battery is internal on P870DM, and it comes with the 330w charger as standard. There may be some small differences in terms of GPU cooling performance but I'm not sure if there's a difference between like GPUs.
If you don't plan on upgrading then I'd stick with the P770DM and save the money.

 

I tried to reach out to larry already. Fingers crossed he can guarantee a 75hz panel. Id be willing to pay additional to a reseller if they can assure me a nice refreshrate for my panel..

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Thanks for this feedback...exactly what I was looking for. I was leaning to the 770 already to save money, and the differences of the 870 aren't worth it (especially if the battery is internal...that is big turn-off for me).

Now, I only need to decide to pull the trigger on the 770 or wait for the 775DM-G. I had been waiting for the 775DM-G (which uses the 965M, 970M, or 980M), but it looks like European resellers are only stocking the 775DM 1-G with the full desktop 980. So, I'm less and less hopeful that US resellers will stock the 775DM-G. Anyone heard anything about the 775DM-G being stocked in the US?

 

I believe Eurocom's Sky DLX7 is some variant of the 775DM. They have 5 choices for the GPU, and the 970M and 980M are among the choices.

HIDevolution also has the 775DM with the 970M and 980M being the 2 choices for the GPU.

And I think the MYTHLOGIC Phobos 1715S is also based on the 775DM with the 970M and 980M being the 2 choices for the GPU.