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Yup that seems to be the only problem...

 

BTW!

just noticed something on the mySn preorder page: theyre offering 3K / 4K displays in NON-GLARE / MATTE! although that really rocks, availability for the 4K model is stated as mid-february *ugh*

 

C'mon 95% *crosses fingers*

 

Mid-feb is no too far if you're waiting for Batman. This morning I called XMG and they told me that u505 is not likely to be delivered before the 2nd half of January. Other resellers also explained me that delivery is much more likely to happen not before late January or even February. Soo...

 

Yep. Scan also unofficially confirmed ETA on or after mid Jan. I'm expecting another 4 week waiting.

 

Now the U705 page exists as well, though it doesn't seem to have any new information.

Unfortunately the U505 and U705 are no longer shown in the special offers. I guess that was too good to be true, though the Ultimate series is still shown as a special offer on the 24th.

 

yup, thats also something mySn confirmed with me @taking out the xmg xmas xtravaganza specials on the U series...

*sigh* alright then, february it is! marching on!

btw, upgrade prices have been updated on the mysn order pages

 

Any info on the matte 4k panel? Panelook.com doesn't have it listed, only glossy panels (Sharp and Samsung). Maybe it's a typo....hope not.

 

Possibly an error.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Well at least the 4k/3k's offer in gloss, hopefully the 1080P variants will have a gloss option as well. Jay please DO alert me once we have information on the model screens they're using so we can look up cross compatible versions as well and get a list going. I'm GOING to find a 95% option even if I have to mod the damn thing myself! (Meaker back me up!)

 

haha ok will do atm they dont have specific models listed yet, just "tba"

on another note, mySn is not gonna offer an upgrade option for the PSU, they deem it "unnecessary" as stated in the FAQ section of the U505/p751zm

whatever, just gonna get myself that 330w psu from amazon (seller: mysn! ) and use the stock 230w model at work

 

It could be, but they're charging more for the upgrade than on the P505/P65xSx.

 

Nooo T_T I guess that's the end of the Batman saga for me then. I'm not willing to delid a CPU (too scared considering my income), nor send it to some unknown person to do it, and then having to deal with the wait time for turn around and the reinstalling process.

Sigh, was so looking forward to this machine. But I need to replace my 6 year old laptop by January 5th >_> I could have maybe waited a week or so in january, but February is completely out of the question.

So, is the 157SM-A with a 4940mx the next best laptop? Is OC on all 4 cores possible with stock cooling or will it require mods? If it's mods, then maybe a 4910mq would be better. Basically, if a PSU that supports that isn't available for direct purchase, then I don't really feel comfortable doing hardware modding...

 

I do not believe the P157SM-A will handle the 4930MX well. I would suggest more that you get the 4910MQ (and OC it a little if you wish) and I would also suggest Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra if you want some solid OCing for that as well. OCing Haswell is just not a good idea heat-wise. It's Intel's design's fault. Ivy Bridge was *MUCH* cooler in this respect. MUCH. It also drew less power above stock. Anyway... 4910MQ, get some liquid Ultra, set it to 4GHz or so as you please, enjoy. If possible I would also suggest requesting a 240W PSU from them instead of the 180W that the P157SM-A comes with.

I hope this helps; the P157SM-A is by no means a bad machine. Also, nothing I said above requires a Hardware mod of any kind.

 

I'm not sure you can find 95%gamut panel. Best I can find at panellook is Sharp 8bit TN panel with lvds connector. Still that panel have viewing angels very close to IPS panel.

http://www.panelook.com/LQ156M1LG21_SHARP_15.6_LCM_overview_19820.html

 

4790K is too hot for Batman to handle, who would've guessed? *sneers*

But yeah if it can't even handle a stock 4790K then my interest goes down to exactly 0.

 

The 4790K won't be a problem.. MySn didn't use proper thermal paste, didn't apply thermal paste properly and didn't use efficient settings to maximise performance and minimise heat... I'm quite sure with some undervolting, the 4790K will easily run at stock and maybe do a slight OC...

 

guys, dont forget that they did their testing based on running both furmark and prime95 at the same time. 4ghz in a 4 core / 8 thread cpu should be EASY to reach in this machine, add to that propped up back / high-perf TIM and a good paste job and itll also be able to handle the 4.2 ghz of the 4790K turbo boost just wait and see, ill show u proof myself once i get my hands on it

 

OK, but let's define "handle" as 80C or below when running 4790K at stock during gaming sessions.

 

I would not do it..

 

Seriously? What are you expecting out of an 88W TDP CPU in a 35mm hight laptop that usually needs one of these monster heatsinks to keep it cool:

 

Actually HT, I was the only (semi) non-believer all this time when everyone else was convinced those 5 heatpipes would do the job. Only time shall tell it seems.

 

Information

 

I still think that all of these machines are designed for broadwell or skylake, and they're just waiting for haswell to ride out its lifetime. To be honest, haswell has had a pretty long life cycle (at least from memory). It's been what, a year and a half or so since haswell's been out? Usually broadwell would be prepping for launch about now, no? Jan 2011 Sandy Bridge, Sept 2012 Ivy Bridge, June 2013 Haswell... broadwell's slated for what, middle of next year? If it comes out at all in non-ULV, non-Y format?

That being said... if Broadwell is skipped; won't these machines have nothing to upgrade to? Skylake ought to be a new chipset, no? Unless they keep the chipset since no mainstream broadwell comes out? (assuming mainstream/enthusiast broadwell is skipped)

 

BJ Smith seems to think it's plausible that Broadwell may not have high performance parts:

And yes, Skylake will most likely run on a new chipset. Plus Skylake is supposed to use a different socket, LGA 1151, compared to Haswell's LGA 1150. Then again who cares if the socket is missing that one pesky pin as long as you can mod the chip to fit LOL

 

Yeah I know, I saw that, and I was thinking that it might happen for the same reason that 20nm is mostly being ignored by nVidia. Though also according to him, the minute intel gets broadwell working they'll release it. Yes, I'm being petty.

 

Technically Broadwell has been released already. But yes it's just ultra low power and extremely low performance junk that people like us wouldn't waste a penny on.

 

Well I had more meant mainstream/enthusiast broadwell, but you know what I mean. Also, I heard that the first machine that had a broadwell chip in it hit TDP limits and overheated like crazy. XD.

 

First thing i said when i saw this monster too.. And maybe broadwell will only be 5% faster.. But it SURE will get cooler! (Like a Cool Cat xD )


@Bigspin. I would suggest that you find a 1$ 1150 and delid and try that first. When removing - 0.1cm from that cpu i would get suprised if it got even, or enough pressure..! By the looks of it you would also have to switch to 0.2mm thermal pads, but i do think those x2 connecting heatpipes will make it hard. (Even for the gpu's vram thermals)

Even the radiators in this mod would get in the way imo. But you could always find a 1mm copper piece IHS equivalent

imo.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855&page=4

 

I was just being pedantic XD

But more to the point, Intel could totally point to Core M and tell their shareholders "yeah we released Broadwell in Q4 2014 so you guys can back the fack off mmkay" ie as far as Intel is concerned Broadwell has been "released", so they could totally let it die a silent death while rolling out Skylake.

Also not surprised it overheated, as dies get smaller the thermal density is only going to get worse and worse.

 

I was simply saying the cooling is better than the P1xx series, if it can cool a 4730k at stock speeds/voltages/TDP will be seen (I would expect just about) but at the same voltage/TDP it will be better (especially if you delid/repaste your chip).

 

Anyone else forget the piece of crap intel sells with their boxed processors? I'll take these 5 heatpipes me thinks. I doubt it will meet the under 80c requirement of some folks, but even on a stock cooler 4770k I was able to eek out 4.3ghz without thermal throttling. Unlike others, I have no problem running a CPU at 90-95c when it's working hard.

 

Yes but at least they're doing it properly by exchanging opinions, information and facts, so in more its a debate lol

C'mon 95% ! yeyuh, its the 16th so hoping for some info by next week~

 

I'm not planning to lap the IHS, so I'm not going to loose 1mm from IHS.

 

aaaalright people, lets do this... *switches on quoting-boost in debate mode*

why not define "handle" as below 50C after 24h of furmark and prime95? anything below 90C is totally fine, thats 10+ degrees below the thermal threshold so lets not give ourselves any arguing advantage by coming up with random numbers / threshholds, shall we? in any case, youre on!

even IF the worst-case scenario for these machines comes to happen, i.e. broadwell being skipped and thus no upgrade path left: what would be the difference to any other laptop out there? the possibility of being able to support TWO cpu gens is a big plus in my book, but the lack of it would not be a big disadvantage but rather the norm!

yes, totally agree with that! as long as we stay on topic and use concise / non-offending language we can debate aaaaaaall night long baby

by the way, just noticed that the mysn ordering page has a 1080p IPS 100% sRGB color spectrum panel... at stock!

i think he was rather talking about that 1mm that goes missing once u remove the IHS adhesive, thus being able to decrease the "gap" between the IHS and the cpu die i for one am not planning to reapply adhesive right away, cuz if the cpu holding mechanism can apply enough pressure to close that 1mm gap (which im positive it will), then ull have improved die contact and thus better thermals

Cheers!

 

Ah ok! Same here . I'm not planning to reapply the adhesive right away. CPU holding mechanism can hold the CPU without putting adhesive, so I'm going to test thermal paste performance before attach IHS permanently.

Anyway gap is less than 1mm. More like 0.7mm. As long as you are not putting too much glue and use CPU holding mechanism to give enough pressure until it settled, glue will spread into very thin layer and fill the gap between IHS and PCB.

 

Haswell's throttling temp is 95C, so I'd hardly call 90C passable. It might be "fine" as in the CPU doesn't throttle, but if the chip runs right up to 90C when gaming then clearly the cooling system is being pushed to its limits.

 

*waves* streamer here. I guarantee you all if 90 deg C while gaming (or general half-way intensive use is a thing) then the MINUTE you render a video, try to stream, play a game that eats your CPU for breakfast and DON'T lock to 60fps (I know you ROG Swift owners exist... don't lie to me) you're going to find that haswell sitting at 3GHz and you wanting to choke out clevo for not making that notebook 4cm thicker, delidding the CPU and throwing an ASUS-style hunk-of-iron heatsink on that thing. AND WATERCOOLING IT. AT THE SAME TIME. DON'T QUESTION WHAT YOUR MIND WILL WISH CLEVO HAD DONE.

 

Remember early mysn P65x review? temp used to be in 92C + and actual user review found it never go that high. I'm sure this notebook can handle 65w CPU and 980m without throttling.

 

Ha! Water cooling in laptops. Recipe for disaster.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Oh I don't disagree at all. All I'm saying is, IF your system is running 90 deg at stock under gaming-type load, you're going to have some problems if you ever THINK about touching higher load.

Also, 4790K is a very real desire for quite a few of this forum's members.

 

I always believed i7 4790k too much for this notebook. That's why I went with i7 4790s. Mysn initial test confirmed CPU hit 92C when they run Prime95+furmark, so my guess is in real workloads CPU will stay around 85C.

Good thermal paste might bring it down to low 80s,

 

uh i wanna have a CapTherm custom cooler for this machine... keeping on dreaming

 

Then, I have to ask... why not get a P150SM-A or P157SM-A with a 4910MQ? It's going to run at almost the same speed and cooling might even be better than what this model might bring. I mean, I checked the 4790S out; it's 3.2GHz stock and 4GHz max turbo, which means its 4-core turbo could be anywhere from 3.6GHz to 3.8GHz. It's gonna draw power similar to a 4790K at that point. I mean, I know 200-400MHz can make a significant difference to power draw (and thus heat) and all, but... still.

 

Just spoke to Scan retail chat and supposedly the 17" version has been delayed till 30th Jan/Early Feb... This gives me even more reason not to pre-order and wait for it till it's out... Honestly, with the 980M being almost 4 months old then and expecting AMD to release their HBM GPU's, might be worth waiting a while.. Who knows...

 

It won't have Optimus or Enduro, so...

 

thing is, you always have to wait at least a couple of months before u have the new gen in your hands, after they have been "officially released". you´ll never get nextgen hardware the same week or even month its released unless you have some connections so yeah, its the old waiting game, arguing like that will make u wait forever for the "next best thing"

 

Did Scan said anything about ETA for 15" version. Last time I spoke with them they said mid Jan availability. Bluemobility also saying 30 Jan ETA for 17" version.

 

Mobile CPU's have limited TDP, therefore turbo not stay active for long time (sometimes seconds). Desktop parts have aggressive turbo clocks and they usually keep their turbo clocks without throttling. Other thing is desktop parts have higher base clock speed.