*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

I just sold my Origin PC Millennium a few months ago, it had a dual 980Ti in SLI and a 5930K @ 4.4 GHz + 64 GB 2400 MHz RAM + Intel 750 PCIe SSD

I sold it because I was sick the cables / size / no portability and the boot times were slower as the X99 Deluxe suck, they need a lot of time when powering on to initialize an NVMe SSD

 

Thats why I am going for a m-itx/m-atx build. Just look this thing, its so nice! http://www.caselabs-store.com/mercury-s5-case/

Also gonna wait on 10 core x99 chip and possibly pascal. I would waiting until summer. Plenty of time to start on the loop and modding the case.

 

For those that want the joys of 4K eye strain and G-STINK to help slow things down, I've confirmed it works. Had to change to different firmware because the experimental @Prema BIOS version I was using until earlier tonight didn't have an NGREEDIA approved hardware ID. This is the same hardware I've had all along, but the Santa Clara Mafia only recently approved the 4K screen to be added to the paid invitation list.

 

I get bad tearing near all edges when using SVP. Like, around every edge, when there is panning, there is bad screen tearing. It is very distracting.

So every store that is partner with Prema bios will have Gsync in 4K display, without anything else ? Btw, how did you manage to get that much oc? I barely hope to get 4.4 on all cores, but you seem to be way more up ahead. Also, you have a very fun way of expressing your thoughts!


On P870 is it impossible to use the integrated GPU? Or is it possible to set it from Bios?

 

No, every machine that was purchased with the correct specifications will have it with or without @Prema firmware mods if my understanding is correct. In order for it to work, you need to have a specific motherboard and GPU hardware ID and a screen approved/licensed by NVIDIA, along with GPUs that have an extra resistor specifically for G-SYNC. Anyone that purchased a machine without G-SYNC enabled GPUs will not have it. If you purchased a 1080p machine with G-SYNC enabled GPU(s) and later install the 4K screen specifically authorized for G-SYNC functionality it will work. If you purchased a system with 4K that does not have G-SYNC enabled GPU(s) you won't have it unless you replace the GPU(s) with ones that are designed with G-SYNC functionality.

What I meant earlier was the experimental BIOS I was using had a different hardware ID for the motherboard identification so G-SYNC was not available. The drivers did not recognize the motherboard because it did not match what was on NVGREEDIA's list of G-SYNC licensed notebooks. This is a licensing racket for NVIDIA and there are no free rides. Only those that paid extra for the feature and have all of the specifications satisfied according to the terms of the licensing will have it. If any one thing is missing G-SYNC will not be functional.

The ability to use the integrated Intel graphics is disabled on purpose. Enabling that introduces compromises and the intent was for this to be a no-compromise high performance monster in every sense. Enabling the integrated graphics would detract from that goal and create some functionality and performance limitations that were not intended for this model. I think it could have been enabled in the @Prema BIOS mods, but we elected to stick to the plan of having it be wicked in every way and avoid anything the looked or smelled of compromise. At the very least, having it disabled helps the CPU run cooler and more likely than not allows higher CPU overclocking capabilities because of it being disabled.

 

Thanks a lot!

This clears up some things in my mind. So if I need Gsync, I should really talk to the reseller if he includes the g sync enabled GPU. I have talked with a few companies who resell this model, and some also mentioned this way of adding 4K gysnc by first buying a FHD version with Gsync, then manually adding the 4K display. I meant to ask this, is this what HIDevolution and those offering Gsync 4K do, or they simply ask for Gsync enabled GPUs from Clevo?

I really think you went right with the decision of disabling Intel GPU entirely for performance reasons, as I really wanted to have a laptop that does this. Especially because on normal laptops which are powered by Optimus, some programs like Photoshop, or multimedia players cannot use Nvidia GPU as they should, and you need complicated tweaks, and even then, sometimes it does not work, if Nvidia does not Optimus-approve that particular program to be used by dedicated GPU.

 

It's nice to have that switch certainly, the outputs are always straight off the GPU too, so you can leave optimus on for the internal panel and use the dedicated panel on those programs too.

 

A quick follow-up. I had been running memtest86 since my last previous post last night. I received no errors.

I do not have XTU, and haven't overclocked anything. I just received the laptop and initially everything was running great. Windows 10 and OBS (streaming gameplay to twitch.tv) was causing my router to reset itself, but my router kept registering that I was being DDOS'd by IP addresses from all over the world (China, Ireland, Germany, etc). I used to stream on my last Sager all the time (Sager NP9370), so I booted that up and started streaming just to be sure everything worked fine. It did. Went back to 9870, ran virus scans, malwarebytes, etc. Found nothing. So just to be safe I wiped it and I haven't tried streaming yet, but now I have this system hanging issue periodically. It's driving me nuts. I'm an authorized Sager reseller and I don't want to scream "HEY, BUY FROM ME" if I can't troubleshoot my own problems with it...

Should I really do this? I bought the Samsung 950 pro to specifically have as my OS drive for quickness. I feel like its a driver that is screwing things up. This week I will roll back nVidia drivers and see if an older version fixes the problems.

 

I did not go thru your history, but I also have this hanging issue, no idea why. It only happens when I alt-tab out of a game (which is in windowed mode with gsync on).

I disable g-sync, and it no longer hangs when alt-tab'ing out.

I did not have this problem with a P770ZM-G, only with the P870DM-G.

I also have a 950 pro NVMe drive, with all drivers up to date, and the nvme driver from samsung.

6700k, 32gb, gtx 980 desktop, gsync screen

Any similarities aside from the 950 pro with you?

 

Try to install XTU and try to post some screenshots of cpu. Maybe your voltage values are a bit off, since you just formatted? Also, do you have Prema Bios, or classic?

 

XTU_Base by Jacob Watts

 

I've got the 6700k, 16gb memory, 2x 980m SLI, 1080p IPS matte screen (g-sync of course). I still feel its a driver issue. Since you mentioned disabling G-Sync fixed your alt-tabbing from within a game issue, I might try rolling rolling back the drivers this weekend. I wanted to go rogue for a while in the Division 1-14 level bracket and hit max level in BDO before I started messing with drivers.

Let me know what you're looking for inside this program... will try to find and post it.

 

Yeah I'm sure it's a driver thing. I'm on 364.51. Perhaps may try an earlier 36x.xx driver, but right now my FPS in the games I play are way higher than the 75hz screen, so the g-sync doesn't even help at all anyway for the time being. Hopefully future drivers fix it eventually

 

That is certainly weird, i never had that issue, not on this laptop or my workstation.
In the LAV video decoder, i do have the DXVA2 loop back or something enabled, and then de interlacing is set to hardware.

 

FYI, you're a genius. I disabled G-Sync and I no longer have the "system hanging" issue anywhere.

Now the real question:: How to find out what the source of this issue is so I can be a knowledgeable Sager Reseller

 

That is great!

Well, max power in XTU is a bit low, but if you are running GTX980m in sli, you might have more current draw than only one PSU can handle, depending on what you were doing.

That yellow turbo box power max should be set to at least 90W if my understanding is correct.

Another thought that might help you is that you might not have gsync compatible gpu, or the driver you have at the moment is actually broken. Also, what version of Bios are you on? I understood that if you are on Prema bios, you need the specific bios version, because the one with gsync is different.

 

Oh man, I'm glad you figured it out!

I had a P770ZM-G with a 980m and g-sync, it did not have this issue, so it leads me to believe it's either the screen or the GTX 980 with g-sync. Wonder what other users experience?

 

I am using the standard bios provided by Sager. To my knowledge they are NOT utilizing Prema's bios. I would love to be able to become one of Prema's exclusive bios resellers (the only in the US?), but that would cause more build/testing time than most customers would want... as I'm a reseller, so Sager would build the machine and I would do anything additional after receiving from Sager.

I am using the 330w PSU provided by Sager because I am running 2x 980m in SLI. I will mess with voltages next week while doing some stress-tests. This weekend was supposed to be my gaming grind sessions.

Also, using latest version of nVidia drivers like danyune.

 

If you had 4K version, I might have been interested, but as I see it, it is a great deal for those who can settle for the FHD option !

I have had that too. I am actually a software designer, but my understanding is that SVP has edges tearing because of either no Vsync was working, too long frame draw times or there is an incompatibility between some parts.

I am using LAV filter copy-back always, because it works better this way. I am also using madVR with enhanced settings. Almost the entire screen was nice, but edges were tearing. Especially when there was a fast panning scene, if you ever saw coppelion, it was very visible in this one show. In every single screen panning part, there was this tearing with SVP, so I kindly given up on it. I do have some hopes that Gsync would alleviate the problem of video playback at 24fps being a bit jumpy around. Especially when there is screen panning. (for example, image is jumpy with anime, especially Railgun series, or Fate series, when there is horizontal panning with a lot of vertial thin lines. Or vertical panning with lots of thin horizontal lines. Like panning buildings, they are jumpy around.

 

Dude there lies your problem, last when i tried MADVR , i had some serious tearing issues for some reason. Maybe try defaulting to FFDshow (make it prefer in external filters) filter for decoding?

btw, i forgot to add "never" in the last post, i edited it later on

 

I imagined what that last thing meant.

madVR is a must for me as most animated content has not enough resolution for FHD, not mind 4K, and latest madVR iterations include a very helpful edge thinning algorithm that makes everything even better resolution. I have included 2 demo photos in my guide to madVR.

You are welcome to take a look (You can scroll directly to the example. http://www.dobresculaboratories.blogspot.ro/#!http://dobresculaboratories.blogspot.com/p/page1.html

I would rather have both madVR and SVP running together, because I cannot drop the improvement on image quality for motion smoothes right now. Some anime have frames that do not change for as long as a few seconds, but you still see the image quality. [Okay, maybe I watch subtitles more than both image quality or smoothness of motion]

 

Holy ****! What kind of darkmagicalvoodooinducedsexontopofaunicornshittingsaturatedrainbows sorcery is this??!!
I think now i know where your choppiness is coming from, you might need to mess around with playback frame rate.

MADvr is pumping out its darkmagicalvoodooinducedsexontopofaunicornshittingsaturatedrainbows edge thinning and when SVP tries to do its thing at the same time, they are probably getting desync'd? That would be my best guess.

But i would give up muh smoooothness any day for this edge thinning voodoo.
Wait for me Christina (Kurisu) , I am coming!!

 

Is this some kind of industry insider technical term?

got a good laugh out of it. Thanks!

 

Haha glad you enjoyed it lol..

btw. i emailed you about something.

 

Anyone know where i can get the screws that hold the GTX980 (desktop) X-bracket onto the card? One of the screw came kinda stripped, and im sure it will get worse once i try to change the thermal paste to Kyronaut next week, i really want to have a few back up screws in case the head on one of the existing ones gets stripped.
or if someone can tell me what the screw is called, i can try to look for it locally or get it from ebay.

 

Quick question guys are the 770 and 870 power supplies the same 330w. So if I buy a 770 330w power brick and converter will it work on the 870

 

anyone have news on the 180w 980 sli for this system?

 

Got your message, I'll check in to it and hopefully have an answer for you on Monday.

 

The same brick and connector yes.

 

This is the VERY first time I've ever had this problem:

When I want to shudown, it says "Shuting down" with the swirling circle of dots, then it just shows me windows and starts up all my programs that are set to start with windows.

What the hell is going on?

 

Try sleeping it and shutting it down again.

 

Hush-a-by baby
On the tree top,
When the wind blows
The cradle will rock.
When the bough breaks,
The cradle will fall,
And down will fall baby
Cradle and all.

 

You know, you really have a healthy sense of humor!

I am glad you like the effects. If you need any help with installing and creating the best profile for madVR, I would be glad to help!

Those new algorithms really do redefine all of my anime into another level of reality. They look much cleaner, much more real, much better defined. Illya is just an example, but it is visible with virtually any anime you can think of.

It also helps when watching lower res anime, like watching a 720p anime, with the right combination of settings, you can make it look 1080p, or even better. There are options for oversampling too, if that is your thing, but it really needs strong GPU for it.

 

Haha thanks!

Yeah i haven't started messing around with madVR yet, last i tried it was about 2 years back, when i was looking for an alternative for CorAVC (for hardware decoding), but for some reason i had a lot of over sharpening happening.
Ill PM you once i setup the 4K display, would love to up-res my anime's, since most of my rips are at 720p, and i hate plugging in my blu-ray drive.
Loved your comprehensive explanation of what everything does. Seriously helpful.

 

Well what a crappy sunday, my left mouse button causes some crazy behavior or just plainly stops working on my p870dm-g since this morning. Anyone else encountered this, I was hoping this was a software prob but even in dos it doesn't respond very well. Very slow or takes 5 or more clicks to register.

Guess I will call and see what parts can be resourced before sending it in for RMA.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

 

Are you talking about the Synaptics Touchpad or a USB mouse?

Might just be a bad mouse if it's the latter.

 

The actual touchpad is ok but the left button is the problem on the internal assembly.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

 

Thanks for the idea, however it did not work.

I've had to use a command prompt and do the shutdown command "shutdown /s /t 5" then it'll shudown

 

Might be worth refreshing the OS or re-installing if it keeps happening, something has got confused at some point.

 

I was able to disable the "Fast Startup" in the power section and now it shuts down properly. First time I've ever had to do that

 

I have hibernation disabled from the BIOS, this way I don't ever get this fast start garbage. It may start faster but it takes forever to shutdown which rarely works.

Anytime someone posts a problem about shutting down or sleep, the first thing I tell them to do is to disable fast startup and bam, all issues solved.

don't forget to run this command to get rid of the hibernation file and regain the wasted space it uses.

from an elevated command prompt type:

powercfg -h off

A reboot is recommended after that

 

I will do that, since I never use hibernate or sleep. It's always on or shutdown for me, even if I'm moving the laptop to a different location, I leave it on with the lid shut,.

Is there any secret to getting the stickers off the palm area? I don't know why the stickers are right where the palm rests.... They just eventually come off slowly, and it's annoying me already that a corner of 1 sticker is already protruding. I wouldn't mind them on the bottom or anything, but right where the palms are? Come on man....

I just don't want the residual sticker sticky stuff after taking it off, is there a secret to not getting that? I assume isopropyl will be enough to remove it cleanly.

 

This is one of the first I do. I hate hibernation and sleep. Either on or off

 

Goo-Gone, a rag, some muscle & repitition.

 

+1 for the Everki bag, had mine for 3 deployments and it still looks new (ish).

 

@Phoenix - these are for you, buddy.

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Nice designs Mr. Fox,

 

Can anyone here do me a favor and install bluestacks?

http://filehippo.com/download_bluestacks_app_player/64518/

The older version there, not v2 (although v2 has the same freezing problem).

Whenever I install it, it'll either (after closing and opening again):
1) be stuck at initializing for hours
2) finally load but freeze the screen after 10-15 seconds (I can minimize etc, but can't click the screen)

 

Eurocom one looks like... one from 3rd gen Pontiac Firebird. If we count i7 with 8 threads as V8 Engine... and x2 GPU's as two rear wheels... we have match. Lol

By the way, does anyone is experiencing VRM overheating (980M) in P870DM? After setting new thermal pads on VRM, it's much better but... +12,5mV works with fan overclock profile but when I'll set it back to Normal after some period of time (5m for example) there is black screen (GPU has 83-85*c). I always use Overclock Fan profile but I'm interested if it's normal. I think that cooling is poorly designed... I mean the 3rd pipe (or 4th added) should be on VRM (lower part), but it's "alone". Only air & inner heat transfer can cool it, that might cause VRM (or even Memory) overheating even if GPU Core has good temps. Anyone tried to add Copper RAM Heatsinks on it? Or there is not enough space?



And is there way to keep LED's on cover turned on when laptops is in sleep mode/hibernation? That would look badass.

 

Have you pulled the plastic off of the vents on the bottom cover? If not you might give it a try and it helps with cooling quite a lot. I have never experienced the black screen unless I was running some pretty high overclocks.