*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Why in the world does Intel use such bad thermal paste between the die and the heat spreader beats me.
And it's happening with an K processor that costs more and it's aimed at enthusiasts, overclockers, power users and so on... man this is sad.
Maybe it's Intel plan to keep people from reaching 5Ghz

 

Then, I think I should ask if it is possible for the reseller to ask clevo for a gsync enabled GTX980, to get with the 4K display, no?

I emailed them a HIDevolution a few questions. From Romania, it is pretty complicated to buy anything from outside, because of shipping problems, and high custom fees. Anyways, 4K and Gsync by default might come in handy, so I will ask a few questions and see how they respond.

Maybe TEK can get a 4K and Gsync soon? I mean, it is already becoming a Prema partner store.

Thanks again for answering this. I guess that 6700K it is then. At least, if it is stable, should be more fun to play around with than 6700. I just hope that if I set it to something like 4.2 on all cores and let it be this way, I will have a better experience than with a 6700 which caps out much lower. Even having 4GHz on all cores at all time would be sweet, compared to 6700 which has at most 3.7 on all cores.

 

If you are a tweaker then the K is the obvious choice

 

Whats the fanspeed for those temps ?

 

I kept the fans on the overclock / automatic profile. If I set them on full blast things would be better but I don't that as that's not how I like to run my laptop all the time.

PS: HIDevolution just added the 2800MHz G.Skill RAM in the system configuration options! They are really catering towards us enthusiasts and they told me soon they will be offering CPU delidding service and Silicon Lottery CPUs:

 

Do you have actual values ? It shows for me on my P751 in hwinf64, not sure if it shows for P870.

 

Partly the ram can be a trap for new players however, it does need to be the final cherry on top of an already tweaked system.

 

Neverer checked, where do I see that value?

 

(A bit off thread, sorry)

I have been reading last few pages on Gsync and such to understand what is going on, and I saw this post.

I agree with this statement, and I want to echo it! I recommend everyone who is aiming towards something to imagine and imbued their life with the new thing they want, to actually match their own energy signature with the new thing





After reading the last few pages, I feel kind of bad for not reading them before posting the questions about Gsync. I started reading this thread from the first page, so I did not know it has been discussed.

About RAM, this will be a noob-ish question, but is 6th generation supposed to be limited to 2333 mhz Ram? Will I see any advantage at all, or will it even work with faster RAM?

 

When I start HWiNFO64 it asks me if I want it to read the EC. Its further down the list but I dont know the exact location because I hide whatever I dont need.

 

I'll check when I am near a power source, I am in a cafe now smoking a hubbly bubbly and there is no free power outlet around.

 

I would avoid going with smoke near any electronics. Smoke (especially cigarette related smoke) tends to leave a greasy layer of toxic compound which lowers life of electronics and might act as electrical conductor leading to short circuit. (Might be very far fetched, but it smoke still does leave a greasy layer on certain materials, like glass, so it will actually affect some components. This might be bad for audiophile headphones, as smoke can deposit on headphone membrane and change sound signature)

 

As I was upgrading my CPU 2 days ago to the Silicon Lottery one and upgrading my RAM, everything worked fine but I noticed my keyboard lights died. I was smoking a hubbly bubbly (AKA Kalyan in Russian) AKA Waterpipe while doing this. Do you think the smoke killed my keyboard lights?

Luckily, when ordering my system from HIDevolution I requested for an extra keyboard as a backup for $50 USD so I just replaced it and now the lights are fine.

 

I don't think that it would affect an electronic in such a short period of time. Maybe if you were blowing smoke directly on contacts, the greasy thing that formed there could had acted like a corrosion on contacts, but that layer should be electrically conductive anyways.

Maybe you pushed a bit too strong in the keyboard when taking it out of it's magnets?



I wanted to ask about Prema bios and vbios if it reached maturity? I mean, is it final, or among final stages? Or is it still under development?

 

It is final. Prema BIOS now at v1.5 which already has the RAID boot issues resolved and now new CPU Microcode upgrades, I forgot the other changes.

VBIOS is at v2, didn't notice any issues with it

 

PS: HIDevolution alreayd have the latest BIOS v1.5 and I am struggling with Eurocom to send me the latest BIOS since 4 days and no reply, see:

HIDevolution's Warranty!

 

I am confused about silicon lottery CPUs. They are basically a company who buys CPUs then tests them and only sell further those who pass their tests, no? I mean, the differences between a silicon lottery CPU and a normal 6700k should be within the range of OCing to 4.2 or OCing to 4.6Ghz. I mean, if I am going to use this for day-to-day usage, I think I am better off with a normal 6700k, instead of delid silicon lottery, no?

 

1) Even if you don't overclock, if you get a bad 6700K even at stock speeds it is gonna run super hot and thermal throttle. I have seen many people with this issue on the forums whom I've helped personally on TeamViewer to undervolt their CPUs and reduce this heat. See this 21 page thread of a user suffering from this issue:

CPU hits 99C and throttles when running division

and

Clevo P870DM-G temp issue

So by getting a Silicon Lottery CPU, even at stock speeds, you are running way cooler than a normal 6700K since its silicon wafer is better than others, thus, reducing the heat, which is why it is able to overclock higher in the first place, the only thing that prevents a CPU from overclocking is heat.

2) Did you see this new laptop? It is a Super P870DM:

EVOC P870DM-G Gaming Laptop

 

Thanks!

That is great to know!

About RAM, how is the real situation about RAM speed? On all intel 6700K pages it says that it accepts a max of 2133 mhz of ram speed.

 

That is the standard speed. If you have the Prema BIOS, you can run them at a higher speed, provided the RAM supports it. I bought the 2800 MHz. G.Skill RAM Kit from HIDevolution, then all I had to do is change the XMP profile from the default so XMP profile 1 and baam, they are running at 2800 Mhz. super stable.

 

I'm really nervous right about deciding to buy Eurocom after ssj and others issues getting help.

 

Off topic but, my laptop is finally in the QA and testing phase at Mythlogic, should be shipped by Tuesday. The anticipation is killing me.

 

If the anticipation succeeds, can I have your laptop instead?

 

Good Afternoon Everyone, I recently received a Sager NP9870-S directly from them. I had to format and reinstall everything within the first 3 days of getting it, and now my whole system "hangs" periodically. I assumed I did everything correctly, by first downloading and installing all important drivers from the Sager website as well as updating windows with all necessary system updates, and then updating nVidia drivers to the latest.

Definition of "hangs" is that: The entire system stops working for a moment. Even if all I have open is Google Chrome like right now and I'm typing into this box, when the system "hangs" the mouse cursor stops moving, the text box is frozen, and any sound stops working as well.

Has anyone else experienced this, or know what may be causing it?

My specific system specs:
Sager NP-9870-S
1920x1080 IPS panel
i-7 6700k
2x nVidia 980m in SLI (364.51 drivers installed)
16gb DDR3 RAM
Samsung 950pro 512gb M2 drive as OS drive
1TB HDD as secondary drive
Killer 1535 wireless
Windows 10 Professional

 

Was it working fine before you did the initial Reformat/Reinstall?

Did you try running memtest86? You might have a bad ram stick. This sounds like what I had on my old desktop system. Everything working fine then suddenly i get a 10 second system freeze every so often. It turned out one of the RAM sticks was bad, so I just swapped them out with new ones and everything ran fine after that.

 

This symptom was non-existent prior to reformat/reinstall. Will run memtest86 and post results momentarily.

 

How did you go about overclocking your 6700K?

I had read a few times in this very thread that having voltage too high or too low might cause freeze.

Do you have xtu?

 

Try running with the HDD, see if that cures the hangs.

 

Could be the DDR 3 j/k

 

Hey guys. The day i was waiting for is coming... One week and i will order my laptop. My first gaming laptop, after a lot of desktop.
My choice is for the Sky x9 from eurocom, cuz i'll stay in canada atm.
I read most of the thread and more, but still have few questions for you,

First, and considering the low price difference between X9, and X9E, in CAD, should i stay to the X9 ?
1) I do not know anything about overclocking atm, so the only benefit i see to take the E, is to undervolt the CPU with prema's bios (heat issue)? Something else about my daily usage (gaming and surf) (Except of course for overclocking, but at the moment, it's not the question)

2) Another question, about the E version of sky X9 ? Saw t'was 2X330W power supply ? T's mean i have 2 plug to put in the wall ? (Maybe a stupid question, but i prefer to be sure)

3) I hate windows 10... Definitivly. But if i use windows 7 (pro), on the phoenix; I miss something ? About driver, issue or ?

4) Last question about g-sync. I read something about someone who can't use an external screen, because non g-sync screen ? Can you confirm me, if i want use an old screen, i can just turn g-sync off and use the screen ?

I will take the 6700K/980 desktop version.

Thanks; and sorry for my low english lvl:x

 

Quick question... Is it Clevo themselves that sell the P870DM-G motherboards? If so anybody knows the name they go by? It is incredible the company I bought from is saying * this is a special order so it should take between 2 to 3 weeks and 1 week to install) It takes 1 motherboard to be shipped what it takes the whole system to be assemble. I find that Ludicrous and im losing my patience.

 

Get this, an upgraded P870DM with Prema BIOS and VBIOS for free, so that's a $200 USD savings. It comes factory overclocked to 4.4 GHzz and is covered under warranty, they can also install a Silicon Lottery CPU for you that is delidded for lower temps if you select the option, all still covered under warranty, no other system bulider offers such flexibility. They also offer 2800 MHz RAM, Eurocom only offers 2400 Mhz and not 64GB for that speed:

EVOC P870DM-G Gaming Laptop

I have a Eurocom Sky X9 and let me tell you this, they have the worst customer service ever I'll never buy anything from them. If it wasn't for my awesome contact that I had there, I would be a sitting duck right now.

See:

HIDevolution's Warranty!

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

 

1 week to install? what are they building a car engine? That's very bad

 

1. Having a K version of 6700 might prove better in the long run, because you never know if you will decide to get into overclocking. (At least this is how I reason myself to get one)

2. You do not need two power supplies for GTX980 + 6700K in normal conditions, but you need two power supplies for sli gtx980M or sli 180W 980 desktop. That would mean two wall plugs, two power bricks, a power converter, and more cable.

3. Windows 10 is kind of required. If I might, it is not that bad after you get used to it, but it has been not great at first. In the last half of year, with all updates, it has became stable, and now I actually do not really miss windows 7 anymore, and prefer windows 10 now.

4. You can chose to disable gsync for external displays, as far as I know.

Depends in what country you are.

But Clevo sell P870 fully assembled, minus GPU, CPU, wifi card, RAM and all storage, and minus all cooling. All these parts have to be assembled and tested by resellers. I guess that time taken will heavily depend on number of orders, as a product of this price is not to be rushed when assembling and testing it.

P870 comes directly from clevo when it comes to screen, motherboard and all the other components. (At least this is what I have been told)

I think that having to wait 3 weeks until you get it is normal, depending on how customized was your build.

 

Where are you getting it from ? Mythlogic? They usually take this long.
From my experience with HIDEvolution and a friends order with Sager/XOTIC PC , it doesn't take more than 3-4 days to go from assembly to testing. At most a week.

 

I just need the motherboard thats damaged and yes its Mythlogic... that whole 2 to 3 weeks to get a motherboard is borderline ridiculous.. I guess I made a mistake buying from them folks. What a horrid customer service.

 

Does anyone know what exactly are the differences between Quadro and GTX GPUs? I mean, I cannot expect better performance with quadro, no? Only Nvidia drivers and prices are different? I do use lots of photo creation and editing software, like photoshop, pdn, sai, and others, but would I feel any differences between a quadro and a GTX980?

Also, this might seem rather obtuse, but does gsync also helps with 23-24 fps video materials? I cannot use SVP (video frame interpolation) with anime, and sometimes, especially when there is a lot of vertical and horizontal panning, there is a bit of choppiness and I wonder if gsync would alleviate it in any way?

I am also using madVR video render, so my frame render times are (and will be) quite big, sometimes over 16ms.

 

I would not blame them very much. The operation is very complicated and can take some time, one - two hours, or much more when you consider that they must test it after installing.

You would not want them to rush the install and stability tests.

But yeah, about how long it takes to get only the motherboard, Clevo does not usually have those lying around, they must order one specially, and it takes time for it to arrive. Remember that part of the motherboard is made by intel, and they usually order the same number of motherboards as the number of chasis and screens and covers. I also think that the whole installation is machine done at clevo, not manual, so this might be another reason why it takes long for them to get a motherboard without everything else.

 

1) I had a friend who had ordered a P870DM-G from Mythlogic (Mythlogic Phobos 8715S), he then made a mistake by flashing the latest stock Clevo BIOS thinking it was better only to discover that now his BIOS has 0 customization options or overclocking options. So he thought no big deal, he contacted their technical support thinking they would send him the Mythlogic BIOS. The head of tech support named Josh started asking him lots of questions regarding his order number, serial number, name of the person who paid for it, etc. It was like an interrogation. He then explained that it was a gift so he doesn't have the order number but he gave them the serial number and even a screenshot of it from the actual laptop.


After 3 days with no response, he calls Josh who was very rude and seemed annoyed as to why he was calling him. Then Josh said that they need time to send him the BIOS.


1 week later, nothing, so he emails again.... no reply for 1 weeks, then he emails and calls, he was given the same BS about they need time to compile the BIOS in a package that he could install......


2 weeks later, nothing, then he finally gave up and is still running the stock CLEVO BIOS 1.05.02


I know the guy personally he lives here in Dubai as well.



2) Before purchasing my Eurocom Sky X9, I thought of getting a Mythlogic again, I called their sales team and some dude answered who didn't have an upbeat tone or showed any interest to my business as a potential customer, I felt like I was talking to a robot.


I then asked how long would it take from the time of order till you actually ship the system, he replies, 15 business days. I'm like whaaaat? why so long? he says we are swamped with orders.


Apparently they have so much arrogance now that they have so many orders/business coming through. I for one will never want to deal with this company EVER,

 

Quadro is more optimized for video editing apps and graphics apps but not the best for gaming. it depends what your main purpose is.

HIDevolution luckily now gives you the freedom to choose both Quadro or GeForce with the Prema VBIOS
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I am a long time SVP user and love it. It works great with GSYNC but I don't watch or have any anime so I cannot comment on that.

Make sure to enable the Smooth Motion and set it to ALWAYS in the madVR settings as well and use the DXVA decoder in MPH-HC under the LAV Filter Settings.

 

Yep, thanks for you're advice but... 200 USD saving still more expensive than my first choice... I'm in canada btw... So if i add taxes, some facility about billing...
I think a will deal with Eurocom...
Wich one ? I don't know yet :x

 

oh I forgot to mention to you that if you email HIDevolution telling them you are an NBR member, you get a discount.

Their warranty also covers shipping both ways should anything go wrong.

good luck with your order

 

@bloodhawk

Did you see this bro:

Phoenix Wallpapers

 

I will contact HID btw; nothinh to loose, if i can have the same price, or arround, should be another choice;

But before, i need to know about my previous questions, it can change some point in my order

 

Well Quadros are basically un crippled GeForce cards, with better binned cores. Also their drivers are way more optimized for CAD/CAM applications. Specially like those used in architecture and automotive industry. For 3D Rendering (CPU intensive,benefits from more cores) and Dynamics simulation and/or video editing, GeForce cards outclass Quadros. A TitanX can beat the **** out of a mid to high tier Quadro, the true high end Quadros, and by that i mean the $6000+ ones are insane beasts at everything, since they have insane amount of shader units and the best binned cores.
Source : I work in the 3D Animation and Visual Effects industry.

I use SVP for anime a lot. It makes things sooooo smoooooth. Im not sure if GSync has anything do with it, because i have it disabled 99% of the time. But SVP does make anime very smooth, just make sure you select animation in the settings window.

 

1) I do not know anything about overclocking atm, so the only benefit i see to take the E, is to undervolt the CPU with prema's bios (heat issue)? Something else about my daily usage (gaming and surf) (Except of course for overclocking, but at the moment, it's not the question)

By default, the stock voltage for a 6700K CPU is too high which causes a lot of heat and thermal throttling, go my video of the Prema BIOS walk through where I teach you all the options and how to undervolt and get those temps down while getting even a bit more higher performance as we will run all cores/cache ratio @ 4.2 GHz:

Clevo P870DM n00bie's guide


2) Another question, about the E version of sky X9 ? Saw t'was 2X330W power supply ? T's mean i have 2 plug to put in the wall ? (Maybe a stupid question, but i prefer to be sure)

If you have a single 980M or a Desktop 980 GTX 1 power adapter is enough. Even if you have two 980Ms 1 is enough. you only need two power adapters if you wanna overclock so much. a moderate overclock is still fine.

How it works is, you get two separate power adapters and one small converter that connects them together which you then plug in to your laptop.

I have 3 power adapters, two at home for when I am at home and one in my Everki Titan Checkpoint Friendly bad (which is also available upon request from HIDevolution BTW but it's not cheap) for when I go out to cafes



3) I hate windows 10... Definitivly. But if i use windows 7 (pro), on the phoenix; I miss something ? About driver, issue or ? In my noobies guide, I have the Windows 7 installation guide and drivers but I strongly do not recommend it on this machine if you have NVMe SSDs because they don't offer the same performance due to bad NVMe support in Windows 7 and boot times are 30 secs instead of 8 secs

See my to tame Windows 10 and make it usable:

NBR Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide

Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)


4) Last question about g-sync. I read something about someone who can't use an external screen, because non g-sync screen ? Can you confirm me, if i want use an old screen, i can just turn g-sync off and use the screen ? Cannot answer that, I have no external monitor

 

so which is better for gaming? a 980 GTX (Desktop Class) or a Quadro

 

GTX980 any day.

 

A M6000 is a downclocked Titan X.

 

The best you have on notebook is a m5000m, which is a 980m in quadro form.

Since I am looking to upsize to a m-itx/m-atx desktop, I will be selling my phoenix/parting out. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-sky-x9-6700k-980m-sli-16gb-ddr4-ram.789565/

I do want to play with an X99 system, its itchy lolol..