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More likely Control Center. Anyway it is software related issue.
Since I have 4k out-of-box I never had such issue. After switching from FHD to 4K maybe quick OS format should be made? Some software "fhd" settings might be still in use and causing conflict.
No idea about BIOS. But it's also very possible.

 

It only affects g-sync GPUs used with 4K screens...it's a code problem which I had no time to get to, yet...

 

The latest Beta of HWInfo64 shows the rpm of the cpu and one gpu fan at last. Just a heads up

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http://www.ifotos.pl/zobacz/GPUtemppn_ssxnehe.png

12 minutes (only) of playing Company of Heroes 2. No overclock.
Average temp 76-77*c up to 78*c with Overclocked Fan Profile. Room temp 20,5*c
Guys, isn't this too high in Your opinion?

 

That's too much! It should be around 65-70c max. I dunno remember but I presume you've already repasted your card, right?

Did you also remove this plastic grill in front of your Phoenix? Sorry, if you already have done so, but it's hard to keep track of all the infos.

But at the end, it is too high....

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Well... I re-pasted it 10 times... and meanwhile my GPU got replacement (last had burned mosfet probably)... With new GPU I re-pasted twice.
1) Perfect spread
2) and now dot (good ammount) // temps are 1*c higher than perfect spread but 1*c is margin of error of measurement

If few more people with say it's too high temp for 980M with Prema vBIOS and stock clocks > using Overclocking Fan Profile < I will contant my reseller if i can send them whole notebook to check it and replace heatsink or something... There's nothing more I can do alone.

 

did you undervolt your CPU by -80 to -150mV? that will make a night and day difference as the stock voltage for Skylake is way too high.

see the first post in this thread, it has all the settings:

Clevo P870DM n00bie's guide

 

Well my CPU doesn't get more than 75*c, and it has -150uV.

We're talking about hot GPU. In my opinion, way too hot.

EDIT: And yes, I have taken off this black plastic at the bottom preventing better airflow.

 

right, sorry please see this post of how hot my desktop class 980 GTX gets. Ambient Room Temp is 26C

CPU @ 4.4 GHz on all cores, Cache Ratio @ stock 4.1 GHz / GPU Clocks = stock

Liquid Ultra on CPU and IC Diamond on GPU

Room ambient temp = 26C

Idle GPU Temps:




Max GPU Temps during 30 minute Need For Speed (the new one just released) session at max settings with DSR 4X





Heaven Benchmark for 15 minutes:

 

I think these temperatures are way too fine

IF it reached 90C it would had been way too high, but they should be fine for most scenarios.

 

980M (I don't have desktop one) throttles on 88*c so It cant get 90*c.
And my GPU reaches 85-86*c on stock clocks & Prema vBIOS. And with this vBIOS throttle is on 92*c.

My 78*c temps (after short 10 mins) we're with OC Fan Profile (much more aggressive + more RPM) and with pure stock clocks.

If GPU (on stock vBIOS) has 82*c out-of-box with 20-21*c room temp... It's 6*c near from throttling? In summer with 30*c+ it would definitely throttle.

Even with small Core overclock (+76) I've got black screens.

@Phoenix do you use Overclocking Fan Profile or Automatic?

 

Automatic always. I'm using the Prema VBIOS as well and IC Diamond on the GPU

 

@knight_nhl

please add you signature with your system model and specs

also, which re-seller did you buy it from?

 

Hyperbook


28 mins of Company of Heroes 2
Stock Clocks (no OC)
Prema vBIOS
Automatic Fan Profile

http://s10.ifotos.pl/img/gputempfa_ssxnswr.png

Last 8-10 minutes we're 84-85*c and last 5mins it keeped 85*c like a rock.

 

WowWow your card pulling 149 watts! Is power hungry. More power more heat. Do u only have one card? If so, what slot are you using it in? The one nearest t to cpu(middle) or the one further? If u compare the Temps on other people with 980ms claiming good Temps, their wattage is around 110watts because they are using gsync and refresh rate of 75, they are not utilising they gpus at 100% like you are. So don't compare your Temps with theirs, they will be much lower. Your temperature seems normal for the type of load you are putting in. The slot closes to cpu(middle alot) is much hotter than the slot further. I have done system swaps and Temps are the same. Unless you cap your cards to run at max 75fps the secondary gpu will get up to mid 80s. Using cooling pad helps a lot too. Also if ur only using one card then ur gonna be putting tons of load in most games so expect higher Temps than mine I'm using sli. The max wattage I've seen mines used in crisis 3 unlocked for was 128 watts

 

Primary GPU MXM Slot. Middle-one for slave is empty.
One GPU config.

75Hz cap is very pointless, since in 4K im balancing between 30-60fps.

I must consider purchasing Notepal U3 and mod it. I hope this will help. But if you have same temp, now I'm calm.

I've taken single 980M cause I didn't have time to wait for AMD Polaris (or in worst scenario nGreedia Pascal). I hope that Clevo will make better heatsinks for next gen GPU's with heatsink on VRM/MOSFET plate fragment... And lets hope that next gen will be less power hungry.

 

My Temps on primary slot max out around around 78c so ur about 7c hotter but with that 4k resolutions ur heavily stressing the gpu ur pulling 149 watts out of that baby gpu! I pull max 128 watts so I think ur temps sound normal. Yes the note pal 3 will help a bunch. I have one and it drops Temps about 5 to 7c.

 

There should be a plate with thermal pad contact over the power circuitry of the card.

 

I know, I'm talking about 4th additional heatpipe.

Btw, now my GPU reached 83*c in World of Warships on overclocked fan profile & Prema vBIOS (no OC). 83*c... Max 142w Power recorded.

 

You can't compare your temps to most others, as they are all running at 1080p, and you are running at 4k... if you drop down to 1080p then you can compare temps.

Your 4k resolution rendering load is pushing the GPU much harder, and the CPU too. That's why your GPU is drawing so much more power than what 1080p users are reporting.

A single 980m isn't up to the task of running games at 4k; you would benefit greatly from gaming at 1080p instead.

You can enjoy 4k at desktop, photo, video with higher resource requirements and higher temps, but for long gaming sessions you are best to stay with 1080p.

Also, when you are benchmarking it's fun to see how fast it will go, but in every day use I limit FPS to 101 (1080p) - matching my screen refresh of 100hz. If you limit your FPS to 61 with a 60hz refresh, that will make things run nice and cool.

Anything over screen refresh is wasted resources, power, heat for every day use.

Does the 4k G-sync screen allow G-sync when running at 1080p? That would be a nice way to limit FPS to a usable (variable) frame rate.

 

Yes, I replaced the FullHD panel with the 4k panel and have g-sync up and running at 4k. If you reduce the resolution on the 4k panel g-sync stays active of course. However, the maximum refresh rate on the 4k panel I can get (no matter what resolution) is 62Hz. There seems to be a problem with mobile g-sync when using displays with a refresh rate lower than 75Hz: when the fps get lower than about 40 frames per second the screen starts to flicker when g-sync is activated. No way to play a game at 4k with 30 fps and g-sync on to get smooth gameplay
I think we have to hope a 75Hz 4k panel gets released in the future.

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No, for G-Sync I would need G-Sync GPU version. Clevo P870DM with 4K IPS display comes with non G-sync GPU.
Even if, there is almost no way to get 60fps with single GPU with 4k resolution (I'm not going to use FHD).
And You are quite wrong in one case. CPU has less to do in higher resolutions.
And yes, G-Sync will lock GPU core usage and not allow it go calculate further.

Tomorrow I'm going to order Notepal U3.

But I think that somethings wrong anyway.
First few day after I received my P870DM I didn't saw GPU temp higher (stock vbios) than 68*c on OC Fan Profile and 80*c on Automatic. And I know that since I we're doing many tests including CPU/GPU temp in Metro LL, BF4, COH2 (all in 4k).
Now on stock vBIOS (even with new GPU) I have 73*c on Overclock Fan Profile and 82*c on Automatic fan Profile.
I have strange feeling that GPU temp increase each day.

 

So you can't set a Custom Resolution at 1920x1080 with a higher than 62hz refresh? Or is it 4k @ 62hz as the limit?

 

So at 4k the CPU has less load because fewer frames are being displayed? Interesting, I thought the throughput increase would require the CPU usage to increase.

Is the 4k screen @ 1920x1080 fuzzy? Is that why you don't want to game at less than 4k?

A number of P870DM dealers offer the 4k G-sync display, which includes a G-sync GPU.

I wasn't thinking of running games at 4k G-sync, I was asking if the 4k G-sync will run @ 1080p G-sync with a custom resolution / refresh @ 75hz.

I assume you have already pulled out the plastic blocking the bottom vents? If so the U3 with upgraded fans should make a difference

 

Even at 1080p the pixel count stays the same (4k). I tried custom timings at 1080p but could not get past 63Hz on the 4k panel.
I have 980m sli. The only newer game I get 50-60 fps with maxed out settings at 4k is battlefront because of the exquisite frostbite 3 engine. G-sync shows at this fps no flicker- these are the best visuals I have EVER seen. But the game sucks...


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Yup, I did it.
(Updated my older post few sec ago about GPU temp increasing each day).

 

When you were running the stock vbios your 980m performance was held back, even at stock with no OC.

With the Prema vbios your performance limitations are removed and you are performing better, drawing more power, and generating more heat.

 

Yup, but later i flashed again to stock vBIOS and checked that.

I'm never comparing stock vBIOS temps to Prema vBIOS since these are 2 different worlds.

Prema vBIOS is increasing temps since it keeps always turbo clocks & raises core voltage and disabled power throttle.

 

Well, then you are getting the GPU temps one would expect from unleashed performance with Prema BIOS + Stock/OC + rendering games at 4k. That's a high performance heat generation configuration.

I know you want to get that 4k render, but realistically with a 980m not many games are going to provide a high enough frame rate to be enjoyable anyway, why not drop down to 1080p and get the frame rate up to 60fps - limit FPS to 61 - so you can reduce the load on your system?

When you upgrade to SLI Pascal, maybe then you can enjoy 4k games at 60 fps

 

I'm mainly using my P870DM as a workstation (i.e. Unreal Engine 4). It performs very will in it (using 4K resolution).
If it comes to the games, I'm very happy with balanced settings (Ultra textures, lightning, shaders and rest on high/medium). With very nice quality (still higher than FHD thanks to HR Lightning and Textures). I'm always trying to balance FPS between 60-45fps.

I hope so about next gen GPU's.
Polaris might be good options since AMD new architectures seems very, very power efficient. And with GDDR5X it would stole my heart lol.

I'm going to stick with stock vBIOS before notepal u3 will arrive. Since GPU Core will easily hold even 90*c, I'm not sure about other GPU components... Why they didn't added VRM/Mosfet temp sensor.

 

Probably it would actually be bad for you to know how hot mosfet runs in reality, and might cause you to always drop performance .

 

MOSFETs are usually designed to operate at pretty high temperatures without failing, though when pushing things you do want to make sure they are making full and proper contact.

 

Its not really fuzzy, looks pretty decent tbh. Heck i play counter strike @ 1024x768 (yep im retarded)
But yeah, one trade off of gsync on the 4k panel is that brightness is always maxed out. And it will hurt your eyes a lot! I just got rid of G-Sync for that reason.

But from what i observed, the load on the GPU (about 5-7%) goes down a lot asa you change to 1920x1080. Otherwise my GPU idles around 20-30% loads when working in a 3D application like Maya or 3DS Max.

And nope it wont run FHD @ 75Hz because of the high pixel clock preventing high refresh rates.

90C is a little too hot IMO. i play division maxed out @ 1920x1080 and max temps i have reached is about 85C. Which IMO is still high, because of a bad paste job on my card.

 

Well on the desktop it is fuzzy for sure. Even in game it is noticeable, at least for me. I took some pics of 1080p vs 4K awhile back:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p870dm-4k-auo-display-scaling.786769/#post-10177365

 

Oh yea, on the desktop for sure it will be fuzzy, because of the Pixel Pitch of the monitor and the less PPi.
With the panel on the P870DM its way forgiving because of the panel size.

 

You have a P970DM???? Is that the new model with an X99 socket and dual 980 SLI? I want one.

 

Oh gawd no. Typo bruh.

 

I want the new version of P870DM-G with Pascal.

But I know I will have to wait a while after it is released, because I will be needing that Prema magic with it, couse without, it is not going to be any fun.

 

without the Prema BIOS, this laptop is like a disabled turtle. Either buy it with the Prema BIOS or don't as the stock BIOS only allows for date changes and UEFI enable or disable.

 

Totally. Brother @Prema is really making this machine a Beast out of a puppy XD

I would even go as far and to say that having Prema Bios was more important in a laptop than it's hardware, because good hardware that you can't OC and use to it's full potential is as good as bad hardware.

We need more power !

RAW POWER !

 

So I have one further inquiry regarding the CPU on the P870DM. I'm planning on ordering from HIDevolution, and they offer the option for "Silicon Lottery Delidded and Tested". I recently found out what the term delidded actually means, and how doing it yourself will most certainly void your warranty. I also learned that the performance gains from doing this are rather negligible next to the cost risk associated with doing it. Well, HIDevolution have the option of doing it for you, thus containing said risk within their warranty. The only down side is that it costs an extra $300.

So the question here is really two fold. One, is it worth the money to have them do this, and would it actually increase the life of the CPU in the long run?

The second inquiry I have is directly related to the same option. What exactly does it mean when they say "Silicon Lottery" Delidded? I know what delidding is on its own, and I know roughly what is meant when the term Silicon Lottery is applied, but HIDevolution put both of them into the same option and I've been scratching my head to figure out just what that extra $300 is going to do for my performance. Can someone give me a clear cut answer as to if paying the extra cash is worth it?

Thanks!

 

Getting a good 6700K is a draw of luck. You might get a good one or most likely, one that runs very hot thus throttles like no tomorrow even at stock speeds.

So 1) getting a Silicon Lottery one which is rated to overclock to 4.5 GHz means you are guaranteed to run @ 4.4 - 4.5 GHz on a laptop. Even if you don't want to overclock, at stock speeds it will run much cooler than a regular 6700K

2) Delidding will further bring the temps down by another 10C giving you cooler operating temps with Liquid Ultra applied between the CPU die and the IHS (heat spreader) so again, that means cooler operating temps on the long run and it will prolong the life of your CPU (not by much though)

having this all done through HIDevolution from the factory, means you won't have to risk anything doing it yourself and you will still be covered under warranty.

Additionally, you will receive the Prema BIOS and VBIOS for free so you don't need to pay extra for it like with some other resellers such as Eurocom. I had to pay $200 USD for my Prema BIOS from Eurocom

Finally, mention to HIDevolution that you are an NBR member they might give you a small discount.

 

Silicon Lottery is a company testing CPUs and binning them based off their results in OCing those CPUs.

 

Thanks Pheonix and Georgel,

It seems like the extra $ is probably worth it if the temperature change is as great as 10C, and the throttling isn't as bad.

I'll definitely let HID know that I'm part of the NBR community when I order from them.

 

Right, 10C is only for delidding. We are talking about huge benefits from the Silicon Lottery CPU itself.

Example, I have seen many people here post about their problems with heat/throttling even at stock settings

So here is an example.

Regular CPU at stock speeds/stock voltage under AIDA64 Extreme Benchmark Stability Test might reach temps up to 99C within seconds of running the benchmark and thus throttle all the way down to 3.6 GHz and lower

Silicon Lottery CPU with the same test (at least the 4.8 GHz rated one I got) = 85C. Then give it a small undervolt of -50 to -80 mV and your temps drop to 80C in AIDA64 and around 70-75C max during real world usage and/or gaming

For the overclocking / undervolting settings, be sure to view this thread when you get your laptop although HIDevolution will do a factory overclock for you of 4.4 GHz on all cores with the necessary undervolt. Just make sure to mention this in your customer notes while placing the order:

Clevo P870DM n00bie's guide

 

Yes. For addt'l info, try an internet search or better yet... double-u, double u, double-u DOT siliconlottery DOT com

 

The silicon lottery is your luck at getting a good chip, the chips they are listing is from a company buying lots and binning them to find out which clock the best and then offering those best chips for a premium.

Is it worth it for cost to performance boost? That's up to you.

 

I wish there was an equivalent company in Europe

 

If you find a shop where you can buy 5 or 6 processors (Test them and return back all of them you do not want) Works very well if there is a return scheme with money back .

 

a quick question, i can't find out if it's as easy as with the old alienwares...i have the p870dm in form of the xmg ultimate 726 and have the current limit throttling issue. now i am on the newest bios that is available on the schenker website but they also have an older version available for download. can i just flash an older bios without any problems on this machine, or is there some kind of lock for this? thx dudes