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If I am not mistaken, flashing a former BIOS version over a never one isn't a good idea....

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I cannot count the times I have flashed diff. BIOS version on this laptop, starting from the stock Clevo 1.05.02 to 1.05.03 then 1.05.04 and went back and forth between them with no issues.

Always make sure after a BIOS flash, when the system shuts down, do not power it on. Remove the power cable for 30 - 60 seconds then plug it back in and power on

first power on will take a while so don't panic

 

alright awesome, i will test it and see if it changes any of the behaviour.
thx a lot for your input man :-D

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let me set your expectations right though, the BIOS updates will not fix the throttling issue.......

the Throttling is usually happening due to either heat or not enough Turbo Max / IA Current Limit for the Core

See the 4.2 GHz guide on all cores in this thread and try it, there is an XTU version for people without the Prema BIOS as well

Clevo P870DM n00bie's guide

 

ah daium, thx for this, that was the only reason i wanted to try this. in my case its definately not heat. i will look through the thread and try what i find. too bad static voltage wont work in my case. well i'll read through the noobie thread and leave some feedback. thx man :-D

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Throttlestop is a better option than XTU. Download from the sig to @unclewebb

 

the reason i was thinking about flashing a different bios was because i read from mr. fox that a different ec version can fix i tve issue.

throttlestop i do use for everything on every machine but somehow on this machine i just wasnt able to make it work the way i want it to (curing the throttling). i will give it another shot though as soon as i read through the noobs thread

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If I set any static voltage, the temps go up like heck.......Adaptive works best for me

just play with the negative offset.......try -120 to -150mV for 4.2 GHz on all cores ore -50 to -95mV for 4.4 GHz despite the instructions showing -115mV for 4.4 GHz.......that's only for a really bad overheating CPU.....

the lower the offset, the better the stability at expense of heat......so you need to find a sweet spot

next, make sure you set your Turbo Max and Short Turbo Power max to 135000 mV and IA Current limit to 250000 to 300000

for better support from the pros, it's best to direct such questions in this thread:

Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

 

I will help you don't worry

 

The stock ec and bios will give you current throttling and end up downclocking the cpu if it's never been fixed. This is much more prevelant in the 980m sli version due to the required power needs.

The only option is to fix the bios and ec limits (it's a known issue and they still haven't fixed it) or return and purchase from a prema supported vendor that uses his bios and ec.

Sorry to hear of the troubles and understand how frustrating they can be.

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I'll help him via a free TeamViewer session tonight. We are the P870DM clan

 

Not in the part of Europe I live in... Here, clothing stores don't even let you return a pair of shoes you walked into outside even once! You either decide in the shop if they fit you or you get out.

That said, even if they did allow returns on CPUs, that's not why SiliconLottery is a desirable service. The delidding, safe application of high-quality thermal compound, and sealing back of the CPU, along with binning on air is the reason I wish there was a company like that in Europe.

 

Yeah I know what you mean, but the delidding, safe application of high-quality thermal compound, and sealing back of the CPU, along with binning on air can you do easy yourselves. The biggest problem some places is to get/have the return policy.

 

Even with only in store selection, you can try to pick from the right stepping.

 

Since the latest version of hwinfo shows the rpm of at least 2 fans I would like to know what´s your highest rpm (after pressing fn +1). Mine is 3300 on both fans. However I uninstalled XTU without doing a clean new installation so my fan speed regulation may be messed up as reported by other members. For example, after uninstalling XTU CCC shows in the fan profiles only "Maximum, automatic and custom" but not "Overclocking" anymore...

 

So what does SiliconeLottery do with the "reject" CPUs?

 

Returns them probably.

 

Saute them lightly in Butter...

Silicon Lottery describes their process, percentage of winners vs losers, and what they do with the remainders in their Forums, sorry don't have the exact links handy:
http://www.overclock.net/f/18068/silicon-lottery

 

With the amount of chips they need to get, burning their suppliers is likely not a great idea

 

Quick question. What option(s) does the 'custom' fan adjustment in CCC give you, why don't I see many people use it, I mostly find auto and OC, anf max for short durations, Used by people on this thread.

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Q2) does anyone have any info of plans(by Clevo) to update the p870dm chassis around the pascal/polaris launch?
Or is it safe to believe that the p870dm won't change until the next chipset.

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Anyone with real information wont be able to talk about it

 

Isn't that a shame, makes me wish I was working in Sager

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Ok so quick question... Anyone else experiencing the right half of the laptop being pretty damn warm? I mean I know the M.2 drives are under there, but I mean it's very noticeable. Also, whenever I plug either of my power bricks into an outlet it always sparks and you hear a "POP!" from the electricity. Since I have 2 bricks, it did it back to back with me plugging in both of them. Wondering if this is normal. I don't leave my bricks plugged in, because I kinda think they'll continue to draw power when I'm not home.

 

Yes and yes. Unfortunately I experience both of these. The sparks happen every time I plug each brick in. And yes the right half below the keyboard gets warm. I learned to get used to it...

 

I just touched my machine and it is a bit warmer on the right side vs the left. Check my sig for the specs.

For the power bricks, I don't notice any pop/spark when plugging them in. When I leave home, I power the switch which they are connected to off though just to be on the safe side.

I have a 3rd power adapter that's always in my Everki Titan bag for when I go out as I don't like disconnecting them all the time and putting one in the bag (yes I know I'm lazy)

 

I work with metal and wood every day and there is tons of left over material to play with. I think I may build a small vented enclosure for the 2 bricks to make transporting them a bit easier. Just grab 1 thing. Maybe even put a small power bar in there and add some kind of fan to the enclosure.

 

Does this mean you also hear a buzzing coming from the power bricks if they are connected to the wall, but laptop is turned off?

 

I have not heard any buzzing.

 

Hey owners, I still haven't bought anything yet, seriously considering this beast, but I'd like to get some feedback without having to read through a few hundred more pages on this thread. Im sort of stuck between what I've always wanted to do, get a custome sager from some reseller, or maybe just a MSI from best buy or something... but I've always had my heart set on this 9870, with maybe a 980m, SSD and at least 16 ram for sure.

 

cybertronpc supposedly releasing p870dm with sli 980 on Friday. let's see if it's real or not

 

I am still waiting for Extreme edition CPU and new pascal early release for Clevo so that we have something to crack benches for desktop with a laptop.

I understood already that the coolers were not ready for dual GTx980m. Unless they change the chasis, it is not possible to add two 980s, without bad thermal throttle.

 

You think they will return the extreme edition moniker to the mainstream chipset?

 

The Cybertronpc mobile systems sites, for play/work, shows 880m, 870m, 860m, and only one 960m (new) laptop.
https://www.cybertronpc.com/play.asp?cat=mobile
https://www.cybertronpc.com/home.asp?cat=mobile

It seems odd they would jump all the way up to a 980 SLI laptop system offering

 

To be honest, I have little hope they will. Because it created way too thick laptops, and would heat a lot. But I really would like if it would happen. Having that power portable with you is a feat that cannot be compared with OCing a K edition i7.

I totally understand that the drawbacks of having an extreme edition CPU are very high, but for those who really need that last bits of power, having it would be a great thing.

Though I also strongly believe the bottle neck is GPU. I need to work daily in 4K, and need to get prepared for 4K in a short time. How can I design games in 8K if I can barely play in 4K ? Something among those lines of thinking. And SLI makes things worse when you are a designer, as programming for SLI is so awful so far that I given up on ever programming for SLI.

 

Actually, when checking their site, I was a bit amazed that they offer GTX8XX series laptops. I mean, those are not even produced anymore. I wonder what is the reason.

I would think that if anyone is to ever offer a special ultra performance version of P870 it would be either Eurocom, or HIDevolution. I wish more shops would get those 4K displays too and prema partnership, as those things really make much of the value P870 actually has for enthusiast users. I can get a similar spec laptop for less, but adding 4K very nice display, and brother @Prema 's special Bios actually makes experience twice as awesome!

 

every time I login to someone's P870DM recently via TeamViewer to help them with a certain issue, I see the crappy Windows 10 scaling on the 4K displays it's a joke. I'd never buy such a screen on a laptop even if you paid me but that's just me.

 

I really need those colors, and especially to make games for those people who have larger 4K screens. But I move around too much to buy a computer right now. Will buy a normal huge 8K screen in a year or so probably.

 

Yeah the scaling is ****ty to put it politely. But the color accuracy is out of this world. That 4k panel goes head to head with some prosumer wide gamut monitors.

 

this will make Windows 10 scaling which doesn't scale all Windows/Apps to the same level like it does with Windows 7/8 the same as Win 8 scaling.

Before running it, set your scaling back to 100%. If you don't, then it will add whatever scaling you had before to the new scaling you choose in the app itself. So set your windows scaling to 100%, then run the tool and choose the scaling level you want and choose Windows 8 scaling, then reboot when prompted:

http://windows10_dpi_blurry_fix.xpexplorer.com

 

yeah I understand, the problem was these people that I logged onto their PCs were using the Windows 10 scaling which is broken. If you use the Windows DPI fix you will be fine

 

Neah i dont have blurry Windows scaling issue. The main problem was scaling in the applications i use for work. I had to setup a manifest hack so that Windows launches them with proper scaling virtually and then scales it based on the scaling setting. It's cumbersome but it worked like a charm.

 

try launching disk management or services.msc and see, you will see the text is not as sharp as other items on your desktop as if they weren't scaled. That's the problem with Windows 10, it doesn't scale everything......and that's what the tool fixes

 

I'll give it a shot once I put the 4k display back, after the whole GPU thing is sorted.
But from what I can remember I didn't notice the blurry text in the device manager.

 

that can't be bro, it's not like it happens on some computers and others not, it's a widespread problem with Windows 10 itself, happens for everyone, just look more carefully next time. Launch Computer and see how smooth the text is or go to any folder in explorer. Next, open services.msc, disk management, and computer management and watch the difference

 

Will do, maybe I just didn't notice it. Till the time things are legible I'm fine with it.
I'll keep you posted.

 

Thanks a lot, I saved the link, really have to look into it. I hate blurry images and text, and actually am buying that screen to avoid those things.

 

Hello guys, this is my first time here on this forum. I am having some issues with my Sager NP9870-G (Clevo P870DM-G) the CPU is not working properly in heavy workload. What I mean is that whenever I am using it to render (or do anything that requires the full load) it underclocks itself to 2.35~2.85Ghz. My specs are:

CPU: I7 6700K @ 4.00Ghz
RAM: G SKILL's DDR4 2400Mhz 1x16GB (I tried to run the same applications on the Samsung 2133Mhz stick I had and it did not change)
GPU: GTX 980 8GB VRAM
Storage: 1x San Disk Extreme 250GB, 1x 1TB Hard Drive and 1x PCI-E (M.2) Samsung Pro 950 512GB
PSU: 2x 330w
Network: Killer

Here what I tried:

* I tried running with only one PSU and with both.
* I tried different memory sticks.
* ... reinstalling the chipset driver.
* ... changing the power options in the Control Panel.

Some weird things that I saw:

* Reinstalling the chipset driver without deactivating the network adapters make the system reboot automatically before finishing the setup.
* The temperature does not go above 54C and whenever I do the stress tests I change the fan settings to maximum and I get 47C almost every time.
* The task manager show a different CPU load from the Intel Tunning tool. Normally the Intel tool shows 100% for the heavy workload meanwhile the task manager shows 70% max.

By the way I know that I can use CUDA to render stuff but I was testing to see the CPU performance and then I saw that problem.
Thanks guys!

 

you see, at native resolution, without any scaling, everything is sharp and nice but the problem is that things look super tiny. So one usually has to do DPI scaling and that's the issue, the DPI scaling in Windows 10 is super buggy / messed up that it scales a few things and leaves others not scaled so they look blurry as if you were running them in a non-native resolution...... see this example

 

Clevo P870DM n00bie's guide