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That makes sense... I have 980m sli. I may try the vive one day but not in the foreseeable future. However I may pick up a razer blade and core as a second machine because damn what a sexy setup to use a true desktop gpu.

 

Unless it's changed since I was in Australia, you can import items of the value of up to $1000 before they apply import tax.
Perhaps be creative and ship a barebones configuration that lands you under that amount. Then the other parts can come separately.
It might be hard since the Oz Dollar is in the toilet at the moment but it's food for thought.
I'd recommend Hidevolution, they'll try and make it work for you somehow.

 

Double post

 

It is probably safe to say the vast majority of 'gaming notebooks' in circulation are absolutely not VR capable. With 980M being yesterday's best mobile GPU, and considering that it needs to have a substantial overclock to put out enough power for VR, and the low prevalence of 980M SLI machines, the notion that only desktop is supported is logical based on the fact that notebook gamers are the lowest common denominator in gaming world. The elitist group (including all of us) with very powerful SLI machines and those desktop CPU or mobile Extreme CPU and/or desktop GPUs are a tiny minority.

@Firebat246 - you totally lost me on the Razer Blade comment. I wouldn't touch a BGA turdbook with a 10-foot pole. Don't care what it looks like. I treat them the same as I do women of ill repute... might be nice to look at, but ultimately damaged and diseased goods, not worthy of my attention or affection... stay away... far away.

 

Oh I absolutely hate BGA and complely agree with you. But after seeing some benchmarks some users have inboxed me, with the core and a 1080gtx I am honestly impressed. I know your feelings on BGA and I have had nothing but problems with them. This is just another toy I might have fun with. I'm a closet Razer freak and love how thin they are. I have Razer mouse, keyboard, and headset. Secret love of mine.

Don't get me wrong the minute I can swap out my 980m sli on the clevo with 1080m sli im there!!

 

If multiple purchase BGA. Then will all ODM/OEM''s squeeze out even more BGA!!! Finally is all machines BGA... Is this a concern to you? Maybe not... But for many of us others, is the growth of BGA g****** worrisome and must be taken very seriously!! Don't BUY!! We need a change!! NOT more of the same **** as now!!

 

I think there will always be a market for both honestly... Even though I would prefer to have no bga. Throttling pisses me off to no end... But there are some instances where I need super portability over complete beast. I would never defend BGA as the top choice in a million years.

 

Buy a work station or a cheap BGA machine. Not a BGA Turdbook for gaming. More of the same means only that customers want more of the same ****... The vicious circle!! When the sales of BGA gaming laptops drops dramatically... Then must OEM / OEM * s thinking all over again what they should offer their customers. Low sales... Will make changes

 

The problem is the market is 98% BGA and 2% non-BGA. It would be nice if every major manufacture had a high end model or two for enthusiasts, and they used to, but they have all dropped off one by one until Clevo is the only one left.

 

Excellent example of proper BGA use and appropriate price structure. For $149 I can put up with it, then toss it into a dumpster when I am done. And, they have pretty colors, too.

 

Plus optimus only machines wont work. That puts off them supporting them as they will have people complaining that their's does not work.

 

I thought it was so funny when I learned that alienware used to be clevo's. It shed so much light on everything and that's definitely why I love clevo so much! It's what we used to have before dellianware took over.

 

And this would / could be even worse. When BGA sell in even greater numbers. Why create something much better... when some customers continue to buy second class time after time? as I said. Lower sales, will force changes!!

 

It's funny, stuff like that is so obvious to me, I need to remind myself sometimes that a lot of people are far more recent additions to the community

 

Hey now @Mr. Fox , I happen to like my Acer R11 which has a BGA CPU (but upgrade-able memory, wireless and disk) and it was a whopping $268 when I bought it! Well above the $149 limit! (but still throw away )

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-R3-131T-P344-11-6-inch-Notebook/dp/B012IBOCR0

 

Josh from Mythlogic told me one night we were talking on the phone and I lost it. I felt this warm feeling of nostalgia and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt I made a good purchase. However I will never overlook the work @Prema did to tweak this to make it the beast it is.

 

Yeah. BGA fit best in phones/tablets and small notebooks up to 12/13 inches. This is the correct use of BGA!!

 

Sad truth is, that things will get worse. And BGA will be the only option in laptops.
There are only a few of us here who are even concerned about it. Heck 99.9% of my friends or colleagues at work don't even know it's possible to have a desktop processor in a laptop.
That is the sad truth of what things are like.

 

I see someday that even the memory, storage and wireless will all be BGA, hell some batteries are soldered in or very difficult to get nowadays. Then the entire machine is really throw away.

Now I am depressed, I need a drink.

 

Dude when I'm in the cafe and some random dude asks me how much is your laptop and I go 7000 USD their jaw drops and think I'm just being sarcastic, 99% of people don't even know what possibilities we have in terms of socketed components. Take Clevo out and we're all d00m3d

 

As they say, "Ignorance is bliss." and it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy. The pattern is very similar to when despots and dictators end up in power. If they made their plans known at the beginning they would be jailed, executed or ignored and dismissed as being insane. They tell lies, makes lots of promises, and in the fullness of time... once they have the sheeple where they want them, drinking the wee-wee tainted Kool-Aid with a smile on their faces, they come for the guns next... then the genocide starts. And, the extraordinary stupid sheeple (the majority) will defend their actions and call them brilliant leaders.

 

I think MXM still has a place for flexibility in higher end devices.

 

I'll wait till I get work from metabox here I Australia about the vbios.

UPDATE: No vbios for the gtx 980 but only for the sbios.

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If that is the best place to get it there and they are obviously a @Prema partner you should just plan on getting it from Prema after the fact. Prema may also be interested in finding out why they are not giving it to you up front. Can't think of a good reason they wouldn't. It's a great vBIOS and causes zero harm to anything other than benchmark scores.

 

I have no idea. They don't openly market it as well.

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I am pretty sure they arnt a perma partner mines a metabox one its the bog standard bios and they told me they werent but then again i did not buy from them directly, and perma does not list them as a partner.


https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/

 

Well, maybe still check with HIDevolution and perhaps they can do a similar price and figure out a way to help you with the added costs. It seems silly that a Prema partner shop is making this some kind of secret, otherwise nothing makes them any different than any other run of the mill Clevo seller selling stock machines. There's no such thing as a laptop that is good with stock firmware because every notebook OEM cripples their stuff.

 

Yeah, something is fishy about that. If they're not a Prema Partner (and they certainly are not listed) then they should not be selling anything with @Prema firmware. That's dishonest, so maybe it would best to find a better place to work with that isn't going to give you something with bootleg firmware they haven't paid for.

 

Then @Prema should kick their arses and put them on the blame list over at TechInferno! This really get me pissed!! EDIT: If proven to be true.

@thegh0sts I honestly would get it as cheap as possible and kindly ask Prema, providing you both Bioses. Of course you should helping him getting a Finca he utterly deserves by donating him a small thing!

I really don't understand why renowned (Clevo)resellers refuse entering into partnership with @Prema and offering his (v)Bioses as cherry on the cream? It has been proved so many times that his (v)Bioses do no more harm than a blind old man on his cane. I never ever heard someone frying his CPU/GPU by beating the sh** out of his rig by misusing the Premamods. Please correct me, if I am wrong!

It would send an unequivocally message to the rest of the fanboy poo poo community as well as to the ignorant majority that there is a brand which offers TRUE enthusiast POWAH-rigs unleashed...., far more efficient then constantly ranting against BGA imho.

I know that sounds naive, but that's me!

 

I am not that fussed if prema is willing to give me the bios files if i indeed send the stock files.

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Metabox has only recently received the Prema Mod for P870DMG.
A full Partner has to offer Mods for their entire High-end lineup, so people aren't disappointed after ordering.

We are working to make them a full Prema Mod Partner Shop in the near future.

I'll talk to them regarding the vBIOS.


Regarding the 980 and 1080M shader count discussion earlier...they are identical.

They are the only two chips which can be directly compared between Maxwell and Pascal, so we did some tests and performance is clock for clock the same like on a DIE shrink.

 

thanks for confirming this. i don't know if it was because of my push on twitter LOL

I'll make the order as soon as they get the vbios.

 

We have been working together for a while. Until now they have only been 'Prema Mod Upgrade Partner' for GPUs...they are great guys.

But yeah, guys, your demonstration of demand, by asking for it, all ways helps to push things forward!

 

cool. i am hoping to get the gtx 980 that supports g-sync.

 

Sweet that clears that up, sorry to make things confusing for you thegh0sts

 

all good. i've sent them an email to doubly confirm they'll get the vbios mod. in the mean time i'm gonna move some money around and sell off the alienware

 

980 = 2048
1080M = 2048?
1070 = 1920
1080 = 2560

 

Man, I took forever to answer. Sorry. x.x

I found that page a little after I posted my question here! After some more digging, I found a guy somewhere (I forget where precisely, sorry. x.x) that said he has an NP9870 and it doesn't work in the HDMI port, but he got https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K0UDJFI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and it does! Very specifically /that/ one; he tried others and they didn't work.

I assume that the GPU is actually hooked up, physically, to all available video outputs, but the built-in HDMI port somehow doesn't support that "295 mhz with direct mode" or something, and some external DisplayPort adapters do.

Regardless, two people confirmed that this particular product fixes things on the NP9870, so I've ordered a laptop and the adapter and I might be the third guy who confirms it works.

...That, or I'll be really sad and mopey. How long does it typically take for a non-rush build to finish from Sager?

 

The HDMI is no different and is hooked into the GPU, that particular model is VR certified. Sounds to me like more of a driver/firmware issue to me.

 

It's not "VR Certified", it's "VR Ready". Anyone can claim to be VR Ready, but VR Certified is an official Oculus thing (I think. Vaguely.).

Also, to answer my own question, "fast". They build "fast". Didn't order the Rush option, and it only took them about two or three days to put everything together, test it and send it out. That's kind of scary to me. o_o'

 

The 980 desktop card is occulas approved, no one entity really owns VR as a whole so the definitions don't really mean much.

As for the speed we try and have everything ready to go, for a professional building a machine does not take very long at all, most of the time is testing.

 

Ho hums, dunno how many peeps read this thread from the uk but getting a lappy from a perma partner is about to get harder/expensive now the uk has stupidly voted the EU, which means ordering anything from european partners will incure import tax. And the value of the £ is dropping like no tommorow. :/

 

I spoke with the rep from metabox and they'll do the vbios from prema

Hopefully I can order next week if the money pops in by then.

Edit: next week is the last week of the tax year in Australia (yes, I know it is weird) so maybe I can get a small discount.

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I use the rift with my sli 980m P870dmg without problem so consider confirmed. Just took it on family vacation with me

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not all games do sli so that's a problem

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/2...gpus-bring-full-size-gtx-1080-1070-to-laptops
They might only have the 180W and 150W versions of the GP104 chip and not cut down either.

 

That article is from pretty old now. We've had conflicting info since...

 

The pound is still over $1 USD, this is just the initial sell off/gaming from speculators. Calm down. ..

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Yeah but euro perma partners are in poland and portugal, say in 2 years time i wana upgrade from the p870 to some thing else anything coming in from europe will be hit with import duty.

 

There has always been no duty on notebooks as they are purely imported. There is no local industry to protect.