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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

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  1. Q937

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    Stock 6700K should be around 12K physics on W10.
     
    Q937, Dec 17, 2016
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    well, it's not at stock clocks.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Have a look at your frequencies and loading over a benchmark run.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Dec 17, 2016
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    FireStrike have monitoring tool of your benchmark run. You can see the processor behavior in details. Or run Hwinfo with or without RTSS osd in real time.
     
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    Those are way too low for a 6700k @ 4.5ghz

    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9858701
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9224778
    http://www.3dmark.com/spy/72267
    http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4239685
     
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    Yes, that's why it's even worse. 4.5GHz should be roughly 13.5K physics.
     
    Q937, Dec 17, 2016
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    And @thegh0sts shoul try 3DM11 as well. A more demanding test for cpu than Firestrike.
     
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    Last edited: Dec 17, 2016
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    **** no. Dont have time for all that lol.
    Those are the runs i did way back.

    But the Physics score difference isnt that much. Maybe 100-200. At 4.5Ghz you are looking at around the 14k-14.5k mark. IIRC
     
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    Sorry brother :D And @Q937 telling wrong FS physics for 4.5GHz :oops: The correct physics score is as you said. +-14450 is correct :)
     
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    not sure why the physics score is low, when i see the CPU stats it doesn't even reach the full 4.5ghz.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Probably too much voltage or a bit less.
     
    bloodhawk, Dec 17, 2016
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    i followed phoenix's instructions for overclocking.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Well here is the thing, i tell every one and so will every other overclocker - No processor is the same, very rarely will the same settings work on multiple chips. And overcolcking needs much more than dialing in someones "recommended" settings and having it be the end all be all. It needs more fine tweaking and setup.
     
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    i have the power setting to high performance. also i never see it jump up to 4.2ghz at all.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Then the voltage is probably too high.

    Are you on the Prema BIOS? Or XTU ?

    And are you power limits maxed out ?
     
    bloodhawk, Dec 17, 2016
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    Post all your bios settings and TS if you use that.

    @bloodhawk @thegh0sts have Prema bios
     
    Papusan, Dec 17, 2016
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    THIS ^
     
    bloodhawk, Dec 17, 2016
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    i reverted to stock settings and nothing changed. the physics score decreased a bit.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Power limits.
     
    bloodhawk, Dec 17, 2016
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    Taking photos of my bios settings.

    Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    See if these work for you :
    http://imgur.com/a/9Dtk5
     
    bloodhawk, Dec 17, 2016
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    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Disable RSR and your power limits are too low under the CPU settings.
     
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    dumb question: which is the power limit settings you're referring to?

    i am a bit sidetracked since i am doing this and monitoring online sales for my work.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Your turbo power max is set to 29W and turbo short power max to 53W.
     
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    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    You should always try and tweak the voltages when borrowing settings (if they work).
     
    Meaker@Sager, Dec 17, 2016
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    true, but i'm gonna give it a try and see if it helps my low physics score.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    The turbo power max and turbo short power max

    Go and plug phoenix's oc settings tutorial for 4.4 as they are supposed to be way higher than that

    It's crippling your CPU to behave like a BGA turd with low power limits. At least now I know I'm not the only one, at stock on a stress test mine would run at 3ghz due to the 53W short turbo limit then 1.8ghz with the long 18W in my BIOS

    Install throttlestop, theres a "limit" window that will show what throttling is occurring. If your settings are right the only throttling you should ever get while overclocking is thermal ;p

    Edit: beaten
     
    bennyg, Dec 17, 2016
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    Give the settings i posted a few posts back a shot.

    And if they arent stable, reduce the negative offset.
     
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    gimme a few minutes and i'll report back.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    Why does a prema bios have these cripplingly low turbo limits???

    I think the quickest easiest way to check if this is the only thing going on is to install Ts and check the "disable turbo" button

    I use that to oc and test. I don't worry with bios anymore since I sleep mine all the time and voltages get reset after resuming so I just have TS in the background to handle that
     
    bennyg, Dec 17, 2016
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    Its a bug. That happens after a CMOS/BIOS reset. Once you reboot, come back and set the proper limits and they will stick.
     
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    Always up your power limits and put working voltage settings in bios regardless if you use TS or not.
     
    Papusan, Dec 17, 2016
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    OK, I tried the settings for 4.4 OC from phoenix and it crashed just running the physics test. they had their undervolt set to -115mv and for some reason that was clearly too much for my CPU so I changed it to -60mv and it got 14005 in physics.

    I'll run the full test again and repost.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 17, 2016
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    "for some reason" Is what we call... All chips isn't equal :) The silicon lottery :D

    Much better :)
     
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    even though it's powered through the mxm interface the 1070 Notebook GPU doesn't appear to be a slouch.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 18, 2016
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    No it wont be slow at all, it's a fair step up over the 980.
     
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    if only the gap between the slots was wider then i could have done SLI.
     
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    As nice as that is a 1070 will go a long way gaming wise for a fair amount of time and then you can look into what maybe comes after rather than buying two now.
     
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    I wonder if @Prema can/will mod the 1070's vbios?
     
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    @thegh0sts If you get the 1440p 120hz screen and combo it with that 1070N, let me know how it goes. That's the only reason I'd upgrade over my current system at this point.
     
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    Hi. I made my fist post asking about water cooling this laptop but idk if I post it in the right thread. Lol so is it possible to do a solution like the asus gx700vo?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    Bruh, we established this. Mobile 1070 is only about that 10% gooder than the mobile GTX 980 graphicalness. You even apologized!
     
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    Link to that? Plus anyone doing this will not be stock.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Dec 18, 2016
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    Not gonna happen. Not interested in doing a full teardown.

    Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk
     
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