*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Hopefully so. Clevo has been pretty good about that. It took a couple of years before parts started drying up for the P570WM. Had they not made so many subtle changes under the hood so that parts may not fit from one year to the next, they would be available for even longer, and upgrades would be much simpler than they are now with those subtle changes.

 

Apart for the original P870DM upgrades are a lot simpler. That part list is neither complete nor accurate at all for DM3/KM1 and even missing some essential parts. If you are willing to do very minor adjustments to the housing yourself you get away with a lot less than quoted there...

 

Recently replaced pads on a GTX 980 due to ****ty HS <-> die contact. Posting this as it may be usefull to others in the future. I used squishy artic cooling pads as they are easy to work with and good value for money.

If you have a flat heat sink
black = 1.5mm
Red = 1.0mm
Blue 3.0mm

Where as my warped one required 3.5mm on the right rear row of mosfets and .5mm + paste for the right hand side mosfets (purple dots).

Easiest way to confirm pad size is to take the card out of the unit, attach the heatsink and test fit the pads by sliding them in and out to check for fit with the plastic protector still on the pads - thanks to @bloodhawk for guidance on that one!

 

:O

Whoa. Cool!

Couple questions:

1. Will our current CPU/GPU run on that setup? 6700K and GTX 980 8GB (MXM version)?
2. How much is that kit?
3. Will this work with any reseller branded Clevo P870DM/G?
4. Is the unlocked BIOS a Prema BIOS? Or a stock unlocked BIOS?

 

1. No and no (raising the issue of what actually ISN'T required for a P870DM->TM upgrade)
3. Yes
4. Not Prema

 

An X thermal paste pattern does well on a square die by the way

 

For an upgrade from the DM model the cost is $1699.00

 

Doing that upgrade might present gpu problems if you try to keep your original gpus..... Speculations of course....

 

That, plus new CPU, plus new GPU(s)... May as well sell the DM on the second hand market and buy a complete new unit (already assembled, and with warranty)

 

I would make the same assessment to be fair.

 

Is it possible to send you guys my lappy to do the upgrade? Like up to 1070 include modded BIOS and 1440 screen with 5ms and 120Hz.

 

Do yourself a favour, price it up first

Most of the parts (no top case for example expect $150-$200) you will find here:
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgradepricelist(2,435)

Or base it on the rumoured $1700USD kit price. Then add the CPU (8700K or whybother, $370) and the GPU ($817). And your screen, usually $300-400 through a reseller ($100-150 direct), and only $158 at Eurocom for the high bandwidth eDP cable (much much cheaper elsewhere!). And Eurocom's $195 mail in upgrade fee unless that's included in the kit price.

>>$3000 USD. About where many resellers price a single GTX1080 P870TM1 (with warranty) at. And from which you can deduct the sale of your complete P870DM

Frankly it's less of an "upgrade" and more like "swap your RAM and storage into a P870TM1 barebones and buy a new CPU and new GPU/s"
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p870xm-p870tm-upgrade-chart-parts-list.813182/

edit: funny, here's a price for a P870TM1 barebone, including a 1070 GPU and 1440p120Hz screen... http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30585

 

Exactly a bare bones like that could make a lot of sense if you really want to go that route.

 

All of the above parts listed by Eurocom can be had for < $1200 through RJTech (even after their "end user" markup pricing)

 

how well does your 1080 SLI Handle that 4K Screen? Do you think 1070 SLI is enough for 4K?

 

In games that scale 1080 sli does pretty well at 4k. The desktop benchmarks out there will guide you pretty well too.

 

what about for games without support where you use the nvidia inspector method

 

So better i should sale my P870 and upgrade to another right?

 

That would be the cost effective way tbh

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It's going to vary depending on the title.

 

Black Desert?

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Not a title I've heard of but like I said desktop sli testing will show you as the 1080s perform very close to the reference cards.

 

So my 9870-g has 1 x 16GB DDR4 2400MHz sodimm that's oem [huwei i think], its from XOTICPC (and iirc they are just a middleman for sager or were when i bought it). i have a junk laptop, the msi gt72s 6qe and was thinking of taking some parts, like hd, m2 ssd, and the ram.

ram's the thing im wondering on, can i put in that ram which is gskill 16GB [8GB x 2] 2400MHz DDR4 SO-DIMM Laptop Memory? ive not looked at my ram to see if its a single stick or two, but it's also a different brand.

 

It's not highly strung performance stuff so it should be fairly tolerant. Worst case scenario you may need to be patient while it trains on first boot after nvram reset, or troubleshoot by swapping the sticks around the various slots.

 

So long as the speed and CAS latency match (the number they usually quote like CL12) then you are fine to put it together with your existing stick

 

Factory IHS was concave resulting a difference of 6 degrees between coolest & hottest core @ 48 core/cache. Slapped an aftermarket rockit88 IHS onto the 6700k and the delta is now within 2 degrees. Not sure if overall temps are lower as ambient is high at the moment so tough to compare.

Pro's - flat IHS
<EDIT thanks Meaker!>Con's - lapping the factory cpu would have returned the same result for zero outlay - just be wary of reducing the overall height of your IHS

 

Lapping can reduce z height though.

 

Anyone seen @Prema around? im in urgent need of the prema bios installation.. My reseller is the worse in the planet and they have not answered my emails asking for it.. My bios setup goes to a crappy intel stylenote bs..Thanks

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-1521#post-10680767

 

Is the image on startup is an urgent issue? I think prema even if he was around might prioritize something else. I don't think they have a number of the website so you will have to wait on the online system.

 

I got mine from Sager a while ago. CPU: i7-6700 GPU: GTX 980

I don't understand how to use the overclocking utility that came with the Clevo Control Center. I've watched a video, and it looks very simple, but when I try to increase the core increment, nothing goes higher. I was watching the real time clock speed of the gpu using gpu-z during a benchmark, and stock it was 1227.7 and when i tried adding a 75 MHz increase it said the same thing, 1227.7.

If anyone out there knows how to fix this, or if there is some major thing I'm getting wrong, please let me know.

 

CCC is rubbish for overclocking. It implements the intel extreme tuning util backend badly and some people who use it report bad things like fan tables getting messed up. Only use CCC for fans and LEDs is my advice

Throttlestop or BIOS for CPU overclock
Intel Extreme Tuning util or BIOS for RAM overclock (can also be used for CPU OC but TS is overall better)
Nvinspector, Afterburner or Asus GPU tweak are all similar for 9 series GPU overclock

Hwinfo for monitoring temperatures with on screen display and showing the causes of any throttle behaviour. Depending on the benchmark your GPU may be power limited. Is your GPU on stock vbios?

 

I don't know what vbios is. So probably. I really haven't ever tried overclocking anything before, but I figured why not try. Also, I used MSI Afterburner and at least now I can increase the clock speed. So far I can only get it to +150 stable

 

The GPU has its own BIOS where details like power limits and clock tables are stored, this is the vbios.

 

I dont game at 4k at all.

And in the DM3 i have a newer version of the 120Hz QHD panel.

 

didnt get ur question

 

That explains it . anyone else tat can provide it? my reseller is a piece of garbage.

 

Don't use CCC to overclock. It doesn't fix the default voltage issue. (I uninstalled CCC completely because it conflicted with other hardware monitoring systems. But that's up to you. You need CCC to change your LED colors, other wise they default to blue KB lights and green monitor shell lights. No biggie for me, but you might like the color options.)

If you want to overclock like I did on the same laptop:

1. Install the Intel XTU: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU-
2. Then use these XTU settings:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p870dm-n00bies-guide.789463/



I have mine set to 4.2Ghz. (set all four of your Multiplier Active Cores cores to 42X). You can try higher if you want, but I wouldn't get too crazy since your cooling is limited to copper and air.

Just make sure you match ALL the settings seen here, especially the -150mV core voltage offset. The default voltage shouldn't be so high in the first place.

 

i just realised that i can't change the brightness of my screen post 1440p upgrade...oh well.

I wonder if this is something that @Prema can fix? I'm still waiting for him to do this mod.

 

He is on holiday at the moment.

 

Update on project noted in my signature. It's alive. Clevo GTX 1080 in P870DM-G. All credit goes to @Khenglish and @Prema. More to follow later. Perhaps an upgrade to 8700K is next. TBD.
@tanzmeister @Jon Webb

 

Pretty sure 8700k is impossible on all Z270 and Z170 Boards...

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Based on conventional wisdom, that would be true. Based on fact, possibly not. In fact, there are already one or two examples of it working. We're going to see if we can make it so and stir up a really huge hornet's nest by making it so.

Remember, GTX 1080 was also impossible.

Whenever the parts fit (physically) in the end, what is possible 99.9% depends on how much money the OEM/ODM stands to lose by making it easy to upgrade versus how much more they stand to make by pretending it is not possible.

 

Well I can see 2 4 pin power connectors so I'm sure a single 1080 is possible but still not enough for 4K Gaming would much rather take the 1070 SLI

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More to follow. Don't assume what you can see is the entire story as far as what is involved... it's not.

GTX 1070 is fine for playing games. It's not the flagship GPU, so it's not good enough for everyone. It takes two GTX 1070 in SLI to beat a 1080.

But, that's neither here nor there and it's totally irrelevant. Part of the mission is to demonstrate what can be done and the other part of the mission is to expose the greedy liars that go out of their way to manipulate and shaft us just so they can sell new laptops and desktop motherboards; instead of being honorable and facilitating upgrades that work fine if they don't fabricate creative ways to screw us.

(The main motivation for the move toward BGA feces is to limit lifespan, serviceability and upgrades... $$$ cha-ching... moolah... nobody upgrades, who cares, buy a new laptop, you stupid dummy.)

 

Dear @Mr. Fox , Im still interesed in your project, what heatsink do you use?, the mxm slot, what pin do you use?, what about the BIOS for the 7700k.

Thanks so much

 

Thanks. It's very interesting, to say the least. Not sure it's actually going to be worth the effort in the end, but I will wait to decide in 20/20 hindsight whether it is or isn't after it is all done. Having to reverse engineer so many shenanigans is kind of a pain in the ass.

I have to build my own heat sink. More to follow. When it is finished I will start a new thread with full details. It also remains to be seen if the firmware mods needed to make it possible will be available to everyone that wants to pursue the same upgrade. The BIOS (at this time) is still a work in process. @Prema is focusing on current models that PremaMod partners need BIOS for and this one is a beta that is not ready for public release.

 

You guys might also be interested in looking at the CPU power delivery mod @Khenglish did on my P870DM-G. Maybe this will enable a full 1.500V or more to the CPU (hopefully) so I can push the 7700K to 5.3 or 5.5GHz. Stock on the left and mod on the right. All of the empty capacitor and FET pads are filled now, as well as 6 additional capacitors (more than a dozen capacitors added). Look closely... many changes.

 

what its the value of each capacitor?

 

THIS!! Every new refresh on same chassis... Small changes only to screw you!! And not everyone upgrade their laptop with new hardware. Still... Have to do this.

Will we see the 4th fan in next refreshed P870 chassis?