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AFAIK they are still selling cards so they likely would, I would check about the warranty situation though.

 

i dont see why not, cant hurt to ask

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I would think most places would sell the needed parts with the graphics card, when you purchase it later. Might not be that way if you are getting it off of ebay, but I think most resellers would include that. But be sure to ask just in case though.

 

I shot eurocom sales an e-mail...will let you guys know the results. Thanks.

 

Hey, quick question for those who already have the phoenix. Does it come with the m.2 drive screw or do I need to get one of my own?

 

Actually, 359.06 is working OK for me. The 359.00 drivers were junk @2bad0. I think they were contributing to a lot of the instability I was having in BO3 and Witcher 3. Whenever I can, I try to avoid the hotfix drivers because Futuremark does not validate them. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and I do use the hotfix versions if I need to. I will test more with 359.06 first, then jump to 359.12 if I have any more issues. Thanks a bunch for the link @Matrix Leader.

 

My laptop makes constant slight whirring sort of humming sound even under general normal usage is this how it should be, I can't remember if it was originally like this or it's just started recently

 

Observe CPU clock speeds in on-screen display...

AFTER CURRENT LIMIT THROTTLING FIX
[parsehtml]<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1EF8a1vonvg?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/parsehtml] BEFORE CURRENT LIMIT THROTTLING FIX
[parsehtml]<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hWf9FmsGjPk?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/parsehtml]

 

Wow, that's a great improvement

Everyone's benchmarks being reported, without that fix, aren't final... they will need to be rerun after applying Prema's BIOS/vbios + EC update to maximize performance, and get final results for comparisons.

And, the PM870 980m SLI scores won't benefit as much as they can from dual power supplies either, until they get the BIOS/vbios + EC update.

Thank you Mr. Fox for the excellent PM870 reports, the Tuning, Debugging, and Benchmarks.

Looking forward to the same treatment for the SLI 980m configuration, and the hopefully eventual SLI 980 too.

 

I have a question about intels overclock utility. Never used it before and ran the initial benchmark and watched the readings. At a number of points thermal throttling kicked in and the temp got to 99 deg C. This seems way high.

I don't really think I will overclock at the moment, I prefer stability to speed and would hate to have one crash of my laptop at this stage. I am just interested to see if this is normal or I have a problem if I wanted to overclock.

 

My gosh, you need to repaste asap. Should never reach 99c!

 

This is due to high stock voltage, Mine does the same thing and mind you, I have Liquid Ultra and an advanced copper heatsink on my 6700K. This Skylake gets hotter than Haswell even.

 

I am using ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME but it was installed by a pcspecialist

 

Extreeeeme

 

Good to know, I'll reduce my volts right away when I get this laptop. Thanks. Considered a cpu delid? Thats take 15c off the temps with CLU

 

Depends. I don't really want to void warranty. Maybe I should run a proper benchmark and see if its in the ballpark with other CPU's

 

The cpu will be voided yes, but the rest of the system won't be, of course only do this if you're completely comfortable with it.

I like pcspeciaslist, I buy from them all the time, how long did they take to get you this laptop?

 

#@+~?#= DHL.....My XMG was on the Truck to be delivered today (after being unable to make the delivery on Saturday for some unknown reason), I've been waiting with the giddy anticipation of a school boy about to get his first kiss....the hours have been ticking by sooooo slowly today, then I get an email half an hour ago that says they are unable to make the delivery because the adress is incorrect. Called DHL and they said Sorry there's nothing we can do because it's the second attempt it's going back to Schenker. DHL says it has the wrong adress, so I called Schenker and they have the correct adress and printed it out directly from the computer...Man am I pissed....I know exactly what the problem is, it's almost 4pm in Germany and it's a Holiday tomorrow so the driver didn't want to drive "all the way out here in the country" for 1 delivery before starting his vacation. Looks like I'll have to wait another week before I get it....What a let down...I need a Drink.

 

7 days to build although I don't think they started till day 3.

 

What kinda holiday is tomorrow I'd like an excuse to stay home

 

Do you guys not have Mariä Empfängnis as a Holiday? I'm in Austria and we have a Holiday, even had today as free as a fenstertage. If not then my whole theroy just flew out the wondow...

 

It's not an official one, so not free

 

XTU Benchmark doesn't mean a lot in the grand scheme of things, and it's not a realistic test of what you would experience in normal use. Run wPrime 1024M instead and if the temps don't get that high, then don't burn any calories worrying about it. Or, if you're into it, render a video or something and see what they are like.

 

lol 7 days. can build that thing in and hour, I guess they have other pcs to build, nice little money spinner though charging extra for faster building.

 

If you're not big into overclocking or benching and want a real-world practical use test, try HandBrake. Benchmark with files to download and how-to is explained in this post.

Code:

HandBrake 0.9.9.5530 - 64bit Version
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz
Ram: 16334 MB, Screen: 1920x1080
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x264 [info]: using SAR=43127/43200
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX AVX2 FMA3 LZCNT BMI1 BMI2
x264 [info]: profile Main, level 3.0
[09:45:32] reader: done. 1 scr changes
[09:45:33] work: average encoding speed for job is 330.553314 fps
Encode done!
HandBrake has exited.

 

I tried the 359.12 and they validate.

ok, so after watching the fps in both videos....im wondering why the scores are better in the before video? The avg is far higher before the fix. Any ideas?

 

The GPUs were overclocked +148/+500/+50mV in the first video. Running stock in the second one. If you look when the benchmarks or gameplay is going (not on the menus) there is a pretty big difference in clock speeds.

Edit: just ran the benchmark again and it's almost the same as before when overclocked, give or take 3.5 FPS average framerate. Max FPS is higher and min is lower. I don't think in most tasks where the GPU is most important (especially gaming) the CPU Current Limit Throttling has any appreciable effect on performance. I just hated how it looked. Fixing it helped in 3DMark 11 a little bit.

 

Ah, that makes more sense. The eurocom banner was covering the clocks for me in window mode. lol



Edit:
Maybe so, but at least the current is one less thing to worry about. That's for sure!

 

TBH, I had many problems with DHL in the past and since then I rarely do imports. I alsk have a friend who orders clothes internationally and she never gets her packages on time (usually gone and they are forced to refund or it appears 1-2 months later)


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In the US, we can specify Depot pick up. The sender can specify on the shipment, or you can set the preference on the DHL site for your address for all deliveries to be held at the Depot closest to you.

That way it doesn't get put on the truck, it gets held in the Depot and we drive over to pick up. It's a pain, but at least you know the hours the Depot is open, and with delivery notification you know when it's there to be picked up.

 

In germany we are not allowed to pick up things from the depot, but we can have them ship it to post offices or paket boxes which can hold like 30 shipments.
Overall DHL has been great for me in Germany. First time hearing about DHL international...

 

Absolutely... everything working right is always good thing. Even if it had zero effect on performance, just having the clock speeds running exactly the speed I told them to instead of doing whatever the hell they felt like doing changes my attitude toward the product. I liked it before, but I like it a lot more now.

 

Kind of on the fence about getting one for testing. Waiting to see how these sli numbers add up or are they really going to make 980 sli for it.

 

still waiting on prema to spill the beans on his secret project hes definitely up to something concerning 980 sli...

 

I know, right. I really want one, but I don't have the cash yet... and, I don't want to go out and buy one with 980M SLI and then 30 to 90 days later find out that is suddenly the "second best" available. I would almost be temped to go the less expensive route, get one just like this one with a single 200W GTX 980 and wait to see what happens rather than buy 980M SLI. I have to admit, for just a single GPU, this sucker really rocks. For gaming and not crazy high overclocked number chasing, this is just about perfect the way it is. But, there is no substitute for multi-GPU performance... very noticeable drop in performance going from dual GPU to single.

It's really too bad the chassis not large enough for dual 200W 980 and then it would not matter. There is no way two of these will fit. Already tried moving it to the slave slot and it is too wide... has interference with DIMM slots and battery.

 

anyone having problem with thermal throttle issue @80 Celsius?
is there any way to keep the boost clock @1227mhz @at above 80?
also in stress test with furmark and prime 95 running fpu
I7 6700 can only reach about 75 Celsius with reduced clock?

 

Stop doing that and your problem might improve, but be aware that Furmark stress test (and I believe maybe OCCT also) is blacklisted by NVIDIA in the vBIOS to help prevent damage. There is no need to run that stress test anyway. That is like spanking children before they misbehave only for good measure and teach them you are the boss... there is no need for such mean and vicious treatment without just cause and with no benefit to be realized by the child in return for the pain. So, instead of Furmark, just run 3DMark 11 and Fire Strike. If it doesn't throttle, enjoy. Furmark stress test is capable of causing permanent GPU damage. The benchmark is not as bad because it is short and defined, but it may still throttle because NVIDIA made it that way on purpose to protect the GPU from people that don't know. Also, 80°C is the thermal trigger point unless you change it to a higher value, so that part of the behavior is normal.

Your CPU running slow is probably due to wrong voltage and power settings. Are you running stock defaults or have you done some tweaking? Stock defaults are no good. Prime95 will bring out the worst of any CPU, especially Haswell and newer CPUs. It's overly harsh as well and not really much need for it either, but Intel CPUs are much harder to destroy than a GPU. Does CPU throttle with other tests?

In addition to those concerns, try only CPU without GPU and see if the CPU throttle goes away. The GPU being under load may be what is causing the CPU to run so slow. In other words, you may just be seeing the symptoms of the Current Limit Throttle bug mentioned earlier in this thread. Will need an update to EC from Clevo to fix that until Prema BIOS is available to the public.

 

Wild, really, no pick up at counter of carrier depot? That's odd. It's the same for all carriers here, they all have the option of depot pick up - they actually like it as it saves them from missed drops.

Even if there is a missed drop we can call in that same day and have them hold it after off-loaded from truck, allowing a 4pm-7pm window on the day of missed drop to pick up from the depot, including the 2nd and final attempt.

Maybe they can redirect to the post office for you to pick up tomorrow/next day after a missed drop?

You said you are out in the country, so no neighbors, but also no drive by opportunists looking for packages left on the doorstep. You could ask them to leave it on the doorstep, or around the back at the rear door.

Here we can also call in and waive signature for pick-up - you might need to send a request via online site - or have driven in and signed for all future drops to be left without signature.

Update: taken to pm's.

 

I understand that stress test is prelly pushing the limit
I had nearly no problem with furmark (it throttled a tiny bit (like 1077mhz@77 Celsius) but thats common, I've seen much worse)
the only problem was the 80 Celsius limit in witcher 3
on the CPU part
I tried to under voltage 50mv for the CPU and it helped a bit but what it does was reaching 67 watts for a few seconds and drop to 50 watts after that
sorry I didn't follow the threat completely, looking forward to the prema bios

 

I already have 980M sli, would only need heatsinks and fans and sli cable, but it still won't beat my p570wm3 in any benchmarks or games. So it would be more of a toy to tinker with until they come out with 980 sli. Can get this pretty cheap at rjtech as a barebones and build it at your leisure.

 

Actually, the price for barebones at rjtech comes out to more than from Mythlogic - Mythlogic will credit for CPU/memory and that puts the price under rjtech's.

I am thinking of sending off a binned/delidded CPU to Mythlogic, getting a 980 config now, and upgrading to 980 SLI if/when that comes out - Mythlogic also has a lifetime upgrade plan:
https://www.mythlogic.com/more_info.php?c=41&p=171

What concerns me is that the existing PM870 won't have enough room to fit the 180w/150w 980's, as right now the middle fan for the 980m SLI config is smaller and that GPU runs 10c hotter.

How would a dual 980 fair in that config?

They might need to re-work the entire frame to fit a SLI 980, and that might stretch the Mythlogic upgrade plan to the breaking point, would they swap all my parts over to a new frame?

 

Maybe for you but not for me. Computer parts are cheaper when bought separately in California. So getting that machine with my specs would cost about 2100. 2200 with two year warranty
Now the lifetime upgrade is good if they make a 980TI and or a TitanX, but the price would probably be close to the same for the upgrade everywhere else.

 

The location doesn't affect the price of the barebones sans memory/cpu from rjtech/Mythlogic, it's cheaper from Mythlogic, not counting shipping/tax.

Not all sellers, including rjtech offers to take it back to upgrade, afaik Mythlogic is unique in that they will offer upgrades.

The rest of the parts to fill out the barebones frame are variable, but CA isn't always the cheapest.

Upgrading to Pascal would be the long term play. But, starting with a 200w 980 and upgrading to a 980 SLI might happen sooner

 

I'm right there with you on the benchmark part. As awesome as the 6700K is for a Quad, there is no way it can keep up with an overclocked hexacore or octacore CPU running at similar clock speeds. It would be silly for us to even think that it could, and obviously we need something that can beat our current best scores to gain full benefit from it in terms of benching. The only down side to having more than 4C/8T and more than one GPU is it is hard to feel good about downgrading... is for me, anyway. I feel like something is missing because I am used to having more. Two (or more) GPUs will always be more desirable to me than one, and the more cores on the CPU the better.

I am not losing interest in overclocking, but I am losing capacity for spending money in order to gain points or leader board status. If I buy one it will not be to beat my best scores since that obviously can't happen, at least not as far as the CPU is concerned. It would be something to buy primarily for fun more than breaking my own top scores and because its second most powerful laptop (next to the P570WM) available. While it's not perfect, it's really close and there's not much of anything that I don't like about this machine. If I did not already have the Panther, I would have no hesitation because it obviously does a really nice job of overclocking and it is a lot more powerful than anything else I have owned except for the Panther. As the most powerful laptop GPU ever made it is also hard not to find the single GTX 980 impressive in its own rights, but it's not powerful enough to beat 980M SLI.

Wait... maybe the one in the middle is not actually 10°C hotter. Maybe the other one is 10°C cooler. Saying "hotter" might be subjective. Perhaps "different" is more accurate. Cooler is always better for CPU and GPU, but having a difference may not mean it is detrimental. The word "hotter" carries an implication of a detrimental condition.

I need to test this once the parts arrive to confirm whether it actually matters in the grand scheme of things. I know some people have concerns about it, and I totally understand why it would catch some attention. But it really does not matter as long as the difference doesn't rise to the level of resulting in overheating and throttling. I haven't seen evidence of an overheating problem, only concerns about the fact they are not an equal temperature. It may or may not be worth burning a bunch of calories on that. I've never seen any dual-GPU laptop that both video cards run at exactly the same temperature all the time. If the difference is mainly at idle speeds, then it is even less important. There are too many variables that can come into play for them to be exactly the same. Now, if the card in the middle of the chassis runs hot enough to actually overheat and throttle, that's a legitimate concern. Otherwise, I'm thinking it's not worth losing any sleep over it. When I receive the 980M SLI parts, I will be sure to look at this closely enough to know how important it is and share the results/impressions with the community.

 

I am a reseller so you're wrong again.

 

I'm not wrong, you left out an important fact, you are a competitor.

 

There... fixed that for you, bro. There are lots of competitors, but not many winners. Brother @johnksss is a winner.

 

I meant competition, as in selling stuff - @johnksss gets it at cost.

In the Apples to Apples comparison for barebones PM870 between Mythlogic and rjtech the price is lower at Mythlogic, the 3rd option - buying it at cost as a Reseller wasn't disclosed.

Kudos to @johnkss for the top 3dmark11 score, it's not going to be touched by quad core contenders any time soon

 

Thanks Mr. Fox, it's not so much negatively focusing on the hot one, it's more of looking for the weakest link, as it is the GPU that would limit Overclocking headroom. You can't OC further than the least stable GPU in the SLI pair.

If the smaller fan/heat exchanger is on the Primary GPU in the SLI, maybe the relationship can be swapped?

That would extend OC a bit for the games that don't hit the secondary GPU as hard as the primary.

Looking forward to your testing / tuning

 

Well, that part is already OK. The one in the middle of the chassis is the one that runs at a higher temperature, and that is the slave GPU. The one on the outside (with the slightly larger fan) is the primary GPU. Most people will be buying this for gaming or something less demanding. Just want to avoid creating any hysteria about a thermal problem if there is not one. For overclocked benching, if your going to push for an extreme level then you're going to need to do something out of the ordinary to get the best results (like using AC cooling, for example).