*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Not looking for any optimus anything. This is just for the sole purpose of unbricking video cards. Of course you would need an unlocked bios to even be able to set the option to do so.

 

Especially if you own a single 980 Desktop and your cards needs to be RMA or something.Temporary solution till.....Don't know of its drawbacks but if none would sure sweeten the deal.

 

Who did you buy yours from

 

It can, but it has been disabled. Being able to unbrick video cards is a nice feature to have. Otherwise, manual programming is necessary.

I haven't tried to flash a vBIOS with the EEPROM chip still on the GPU with my alligator clip yet? Have you tried that? Wonder if it will work with the GPU unplugged from the PCIe slot? It won't work with the system BIOS EEPROM due to interference from resistors, but it would be sweet if that worked on the GPU(s).

Could also wire in a remote socket for both GPU(s) and system BIOS and mount the trio of EEPROM sockets on a single PCB. Now, that would be a sweet mod for sure. You'd never have to use NVFLASH if you didn't want to and you could manually program all kinds of crazy vBIOS mods without fear of bricking.

Yes, with single GPU, that's more of an issue. If you flash one at a time in SLI, in most cases you can swap slots with the GPUs to unbrick the one GPU, but lots of people just flash both without any pause in the middle to check functionality. The Sky X9 is so easy to work on that pulling GPUs represents little more than a very minor inconvenience.

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Off topic - good news and bad news...

Good news: I got a hot air station the other day and added a MOSFET to my one dead 980M in the Panther. It brought the dead 980M back to life... I pulled it off and I'm so stoked about that.

Bad news: It only worked for a while. Ran a few benchmarks and now it's dead again. So, something else is wrong with it and the extra MOSFET was only a temporary band-aid. Time to buy a new 980M... was worth the effort though... now I know I can add extra MOSFETs to a good GPU and make it better.

@Prema told me it was easy, and it was. But, it's no less scary the first time. Wasn't as scary as doing the BIOS chip on the motherboard though. I had nothing to lose with a messed up GPU, so it wasn't as stressful.

Other good news... current Prema Mod BIOS RC works AMAZING for GTX 980. Just swapped that GPU back in and set new personal records for GTX 980 benching in a matter of a few minutes.

 

It can't run on Intel graphics, it's video output is physically not connected.
I could add iGPU vBIOS and link it to boot it blind, but that switch would just cause people to end up with blind systems instead of helping.
Also how would you boot it without GPU to even enable the switch...LOL?

TBH, we flashed a few modded vBIOS, BIOS, EC & ME Firmware and didn't even brick it once.

The only time it didn't boot was with just plugging in 2667Mhz RAM which was enough to mess the NVRAM up completely...LOL.

 

nope. you can't clip an nvidia card. you can how ever clip an amd card.

sorry to hear about the card, but at least the mosfets worked for a few runs. how high did you get it to clock?

nice!

That's a drag.

Define brick. lol

And I was only thinking along the lines of being able to reflash older nvidia and amd cards as well as recover from bad sli flashes.

 

A non booting system, where a nvram reset isn't enough to fix it.
Or a GPU that would fail to load even on defaults.

Regarding old cards:

Even with a single (GTX980 180W or GTXxxM) in the Master MXM, you can still flash other cards in the slave slot.

With only a 200W 980 at hand the slave slot is blocked, so those user shouldn't play with their vBIOS too much.

But if you have another card at hand you could even use the 200W in the slave slot, but the board would have to run with the entire systems body removed in order to have enough space for it.

 

Bios.

Not if both cards are flashed at the same time. And it's just easier than taking one out and putting in another then flash that card and then swap cards. Way easier to just boot intel and flash both cards. Saves from having to remove heatsinks all the time.
Talking only from a tech/testing point of view. Just like adding a socket for the bios. For flashing experimental bios files without worry of bricking the bios itself and not being able to recover.

Edit:
Does blind flashing work?

 

Would be interested in that but for virtualization purposes,the vm would just need access to the intel to render 3d and display to the nvidia as usual,well in a perfect world..The nvidia would have to be primary though.

Reminds me of patching my acer bios once to make nvidia default on an optimus system,luckily i had anticipated disaster and enabled remote desktop in advance.

 

For that my BIOS Mod has a switch to disable the slave MXM slot.
So that way you can flash the Master GPU first to test the vBIOS basic boot ability and then just add the slave back into the equation without the need for touching the hardware.

If the vbios fails the user can just recover by resetting the BIOS to re-enable the slave slot and switch cards.

 

Now that I could live with

Hummm, another interesting scenario.

You know I use my laptops for more than just benching & gaming.

 

SANTA is late this Christmas

 

You are just waiting for him in the wrong place:

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...laptop-eurocom-sky-x9/&page=11#comment-134401

 

New BIOS v1.05.02 for CLEVO P870DM/DM-G, just updated mine

This is the changelog:

1. BIOS 1.05.02 for P870DM-G only.
2. Update ME firmware to 11.0.0.1178.
3. Update CPU micro code.
4. Refer to readme.txt to update BIOS

Link:
http://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/P870DMG/



I now notice there is now this new SW Guard Extension which is disabled by default, didn't have this before, anyone knows what this is for?



@Mr. Fox

 

yeah ive seen that before, it seems to be some kinda bios-based malware protection...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9687/software-guard-extensions-on-specific-skylake-cpus-only

 

Still not my SANTA this SLI santa

 

Those in fact are single GTX980 runs, not SLI.

Your Stock run vs. Fox OC (Prema Mod):

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/10714199/3dm11/10717652

The "Phoenix" has a bright future!

 

Windows 10 stock vs. Windows 7 overclocked in 3DM11

 

So I am not sure if a second 330w adapter is worth it. I can hold a +230 core/+430 mem in benchmarks and a +200 core/ +420 mem 24/7 with a second adapter. Part of me thats sane knows I can at best I get another 100mhz off the core which at best will be around 5% more improvement. Another part of me wants to get it because for once I have a decent overclocker GPUs and want to push it to the limit. Decisions, decisions.....

 

It is more for that last few percent yes, it depends how bad that itch gets

 

You need a backup power supply in case your primary power supply dies unexpectedly.

You would be offline until the replacement power adapter arrives with much wasted downtime.

You are being prudent in making sure you can remain effective with no downtime.

I always get 1 or 2 extra power adapters, and if I had the chance of plugging them in together to slightly improve performance, and reduce the high temperature load on a single power adapter, I would definitely do that

 

Such an enabler But very true

 

That article states that Intel plans to introduce this feature only on Windows 7 / 8. So it means it would be useless on my Windows 10 machine if I'm not wrong.

Can you shed some light on this guys: @Meaker @Mr. Fox

 

Yeah, that's like comparing a single-shot .22 caliber Derringer (Windows 10) against an M-16 with a 30-round clip.

I haven't paid any attention to it. Anything related to security, I always disable it by default anyway. I don't care about security features even a little bit. I wish there was no TPM module or fingerprint reader on the Sky X9... I know they are there to appeal to business users, but I hate that kind of worthless crap.

Unless something changes dramatically, enhanced security is almost always synonymous with degraded performance. The people that focus on security don't talk to the people that focus on performance. It's like the FBI and NSA... each has their own agenda, they compete for financial resources, and they don't care about the other agency.

A couple of thoughts here...

(1) It's great you can do that with one AC adapter... very convenient, if nothing else. Having to use dual adapters is inconvenient for normal everyday use if you are constantly moving the system from room to room, or take it on business trips. If you do that kind of overclocking on a frequent basis, you should start saving for a replacement AC adapter now. It will get extremely hot, begin to fatigue and eventually start having stability problems if you max it out all of the time. I used to wear out single 330W adapters overclocking my Alienware laptops all of the time. They typically survive less than a year of being constantly pushed to the edge of their functional limits. I haven't worn out any AC adapters using the dual adapter mod.

(2) Getting to use dual adapters when you want to go crazy with overclocking is a wonderful thing. The dual adapter mod provides a cleaner and more stable source of power for when you are overclocking, and it raises the limit on how far you can go with overclocking. If you use the system like a desktop and never move it, dual adapters is better even if you are not overclocking because they don't have to work as hard.

 

I did not overclock it at all, just ran stock. And, I only added one new (extra) MOSFET to one of the vacant pads on the PCB to see what would happen. I am going to remove all of them (in case one of them is no good) and replace them, then add the missing three MOSFETs on the vacant pads to see if it will stay fixed. Right now (it's still in the Panther) the screen stays black at boot, cannot see anything in the BIOS, but once it is on the Windows desktop and clocks down to 2D low power mode the screen comes back on again. I'm curious if it worked initially because of a bad MOSFET and died because of having to do all of the work by itself. I am going to eliminate the new one I added in case it got damaged from one of the other MOSFETs being bad.

 

hmmm would i be presuming correctly when predicting that most defective 980M gpus would go bad due to overstressing the mosfets, seeing as these cards are hopelessly underpowered compared to their great overclocking abilities?

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I think the only reason my single adapter still works is due to the fact I had extremely high ASIC cards. I only need 1.062v(prema mod stock voltage) for the overclock. I start have problems with not enough power if I add 12.5mv more. What do you think about buying used power adapters @Mr. Fox ?

 

btw, just stumbled upon a nice review for the delid die mate: http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/intel-skylake-heatspreader-delid-die-mate-test/

its in german, but u guys know the drill @google translate

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I would not buy used power adapters ever... I would strongly suggest getting new dual adapters and using one when you need to move your Phoenix around.... You will kill your single adapter that way if you keep ocing and using it...

 

Nothing wrong with used parts as long as they are good parts. Being used doesn't make them bad. I have purchased a lot of used parts and found them to be as good as new. As long as the person/place you are buying the parts from will guarantee they are not DOA and work as intended, no reason not to if you can save half the cost. I wouldn't buy used unless I could save a minimum of 35% off the cost of new.

 

Thanks Fox. I think I try to buy one on NBR if I can get a decent deal. Yeah, it probably make financial sense to buy one just for a back up. Though I will deal with that after new years and getting my keyboard replaced.

Updated on that: Keyboard waiting in edmonton, I will go pick it up on Jan 3rd.

 

Now my laptop wont boot up. Keyboard light turns on but nothing on display. It just crashed while viewing the thread. Since I was just browsing the net at the time, I am thinking its a ram failure since I wasnt stressing the gpu.

 

Try playing with ram configurations then.

 

I have one stick of ram. It shouldnt be the gpus right?

 

It could technically be anything at this point.

 

What is wrong with your keyboard?

Are you running the original stock BIOS? If not, what BIOS are you running? Does it have memory timing access? If so, it's probably set to unstable values.

This machine won't boot at all if your memory timings are goofed up or you try using RAM that has no matching values in the BIOS SPD tables.

Reset the NVRAM and it will likely be fine after that.

 

Yeah, that does not work. But, this does. I just installed modded display drivers in Windows 10 without having to boot with DSE disabled. Seem to be a permanent fix for disabling driver signing filth.

Open an admin command prompt and run the syntax below. Reboot, and it should be disabled for good.

Code:

bcdedit.exe /set nointegritychecks on

I had already set the commands mention above by @TomJGX . Not sure if you need all three set, or just this new command above all by itself. But I have tested it twice and it's works great.

 

anyone manage to stick the msi 980s into the p870 in SLI?

 

wait until CES...

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Resetting the battery did nothing. Should I try switching gpus?

Trying to remove gpus, after removing screws for heatsink, cannot remove the heatpipe/heaksink on top of gpu.

 

Follow the instructions below. With all the @Prema BIOS mods testing, overclocking and memory tweaking I have done since October, I bet I have done this close to 500 times. (I'm not exaggerating.) If you don't get the blue boxes in the middle of your screen, NVRAM has not been reset. Sometimes it takes several tries to get it to crap all over itself. NVRAM can sometimes be a real bugger to reset.

In case anyone needs to know how to remove the CMOS (coin cell) battery under the keyboard to clear NVRAM...

Look at the top of it. The plastic retainer has two tabs holding it down. Those are on the front edge on the side facing the touchpad. Use your thumbnail and press (slide) it toward the screen until it clears those little tabs and it will lift out of the socket. To put it back in, put it in screen side first and compress it toward the screen until it clears the little tabs. If you don't push it back far enough to clear the plastic tabs those can break off, so just pay attention. It's spring-loaded on the side closest to the screen.

 

@Prema @Mr. Fox Maybe I should wait until CES before I order Clevo P870? Perhaps Gtx980 Sli will be released for sale after this happening?

 

Hello guys! My phoenix will be arriving tomorrow after almost 1 month of waiting with the following specs:

17.3" FHD/IPS/MATT with nVIDIA G-Sync Technology
i7-6700K ( 4.0 GHz )
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 w/8GB GDDR5
16GB DDR4 2133 SDRAM (2x8G) --> Upgrade to 16GB HyperX CL14 Dual Channel (2x8GB)
Samsung 850 EVO M.2 250GB SSD --> Change to 512GB 950 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
1TB (7200rpm) SATA
Integrated 2M FHD Digital Video Camera
Finger Print Reader
Killer Dual Band Wireless -AC N1535 M.2 AC + BT Combo Card
Killer E2400 Ethernet
Full Color Backlit Keyboard
330W AC Adapter
MS Windows 10 Home --> Change to NO OS
IC Diamond Thermal Compound
30 days No Dead Pixel Guarantee

I am new to laptops in fact this will be my first laptop. I will use it basically for Web Development and Gaming. I am new to Overclocking so I am quite afraid of doing it. The question now is that is it a "plug and play" machine or I need to do something? I saw others undervolting or setting an offset for their machine using XTU, how can I do that specially for noobs like me?

Thanks in advance!

 

Notebookcheck.com tested the Asus GX700. When not plugged into the water cooling unit the laptop is using a 180W powersupply... So it seems most of the time owners of the machine are using a GTX 980 with 970 performance level

The water cooling unit is also very loud with a humming noise (pump). The implementation of this waater cooling system has no real benefits: heavier, louder and not faster than other GTX 980 desktop solutions... imho this laptop is dead on arrival.

 

The only possible improvement that a water cooling solution can provide is to reduce temperatures and increase headroom for performance, which the GX700 does nicely:

(german to english translation courtesy of Google Chrome translate)

"The advantages of Hydra overclocking system can be established only when the temperature development. While the CPU of Schenker notebooks XMG U716 and XMG U726 in the stress test with the tools Furmark and Prime95 to 95 ° C was hot, we were the Asus GX700 measure just under 85 ° C,...

...More meaningful is the temperature of the GPU. Instead of a maximum of 88 ° C, the GTX 980 reached the GX700 more than 68 ° C, which is an excellent value for notebook conditions. Also because of the graphics chip never throttles and always attaches the full Turbo."

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-GX700-Notebook.156423.0.html

The hum might be due to conduction through the surface the laptop / cooler / dock is resting on, given a more solid cavity under the assemblage it might be tuned to be less offensive.

The measured noise levels are the same for the GX700 as the Clevo's, and all much less than the MSI GT72S 980.

That's the thing I took away from the review, the Clevo's noise levels are very low

It's nice to see the GX700 hanging in there, we need new cooling solutions, and for many of us mobile use isn't a requirement. So a slower speed on mobile is ok.

BTW, not sure if the translation was correct, but I think it said they weren't given the mobile power adapter so didn't run any tests on AC off dock, so we still don't know what the performance off the dock on AC will be.

 

The 330w power supply is the same as that of p870dm and GT80S, I thinks it is in fact the only power supply available in the >300w range. In the review you can see, that the power connector of the GX700 is not compatible with the 330w power supply. So without the water cooling dock you HAVE to use the 180w power supply. Honestly, I don´t really want to know the performance of the laptop without the water cooling unit, because it only can be miserable when forced to use a 180w power supply

Furthermore when plugged into the water cooling unit and maxed out with prime the laptop already uses way above 300w because of the hydra station. So despite the good temps there is no further headroom to overclock, because you would need a second 330w psu and I am not sure if this is possible like in tha case of the Phoenix.

I also have to give ASUS kudos for trying to bring a water cooled laptop to market, but I think the GX700 is a major fail. I wish they provided the G752 with desktop GTX 980 because this laptop has imho a very good and silent cooling solution (vapor chamber), but this laptop is only available with a single 980m with the laptop having the size of a Phoenix.

At the moment it seems that P870DM and GT80S are the best gaming notebooks one can get.

 

The GX700 isn't a "major fail", as it is doing the same performance and better than the MSI / Clevo 980 laptops (at stock).

It has a limitation in that the water-cooling needs to be attached for full performance.

You can't have a self-contained water-cooling system in a laptop yet, so the only choice is to make it external. That's also often still the case for deskside water-cooling, it's external.

That's not a fail, that's a physical limitation.

If you don't want it you don't want it, that's cool. But, don't call something you don't want a fail, when it's the best implementation currently possible.

Based on performance results from their testing, at stock performance, the GX700 is slightly out-performing the GT80S and Clevo 980's.

That's not a fail, major or otherwise

 

The question is, if the GX700 can be overclocked higher than Phoenix or GT80S because of the better temps provided by watercooling. Then ASUS´ implementation would make sense.

For a decent overclock, you will need a second 330W power supply. If this is technically possible is at the moment unclear, because the psu is plugged into the hydra station and not the laptop. I guess we´ll have to wait and see.

IF there is no further significant overclocking headroom with this unit (and this is what I guess will be the case) a bulky watercooling dock does not make sense and thus the whole concept seems to me a major fail, but that´s just my opinion

 

Having the entire system emasculated by a BGA turd CPU and panty-waisted physics TDP this product will never be worth owning no matter what they manage to do with GPU overclocking and colostomy bag cooling. That's actually more of a joke than Alienware's ridiculous eGPU desktop anchor piece of crap. At least that allows you to use a better GPU. That makes more sense than the idea of using a colostomy bag to replace good thermal engineering and tethering your mobile hardware to a desk for no real performance benefit apart from the cooling. I think the whole idea is retarded, personally... not to mention a terrible eyesore and waste of desk space.

Your guess is as good as mine, bro. If the money is not burning a hole in your pocket, just wait and watch to see what happens. If CES doesn't reveal something more special, then decide what to do next.

 

I don't think anyone knows the answer to those questions, and I never trust speculation, even when it is expert speculation. Intel and NVIDIA love to make stuff artificially incompatible when it presents an opportunity to make them richer. If 980 SLI becomes available later, it is not the same GPU as the single 200W GTX 980 available now. It is a toned down version that is smaller. The 200W 980 is gigantic and you cannot fit two of them side-by-side in the chassis. You would end up needing to buy all new parts rather than just adding another GPU and SLI bridge. You cannot use the one available now for SLI, even if there was room for it.

I am trying to decide whether or not I can live without SLI. Tough decision. The 200W GTX 980 is a LOT MORE powerful than a single 980M, but it cannot even come close to keeping up with 980M SLI. It gets totally crushed by 980M SLI. The only reasons I am thinking about the single 200W 980 are (a) single AC adapter convenience, even with insane overclocking; and, (b) my complete loss of confidence in NVIDIA. I have nothing to base it on other than a gut feeling, but something makes me wonder if they are going to stop supporting SLI. With the glut of single GPU turdbooks being gobbled up by the ignorant, prevalence of low-budget backyard single-GPU desktops being used by gamer-boys and half-assed game developers not even making a half-hearted effort to support it, I fear that SLI might end up being scrapped to save a few bucks. Cutting corners and doing less with less seem to be the only arts they are capable of mastering.

Just look at the butt-load of worthless crap and turdbook-centric garbage features inside of GeForce Experience and you can see these people have lost their way. Apart from Shadowplay, it's just a huge piece of bloatware to impress the kiddies.